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Since that programme was made there has been much more pressure on housing stock, as a result local authorities reduced this to two and then to one.

Most people are no longer offered a home, they have to bid for any vacant property that their allocated points allow. The top ten or so applicants are invited to view the property, if (and it's a big if) those in front of them turn it down, they are invited to view the property and given a chance to accept it themselves.

No idea what policies are being implemented for those made homeless as a result of this fire though.

There was an interesting discussion on LBC very early this morning. From what they were saying, an offer to stay in the UK for a year has been made to any illegal immigrants who come forward to admit that they were unlawfully staying in the flats.

Some callers believed that they should be patched up and sent home ASAP, but most others thought that this idea was a fair compromise.

The host of the show disagreed with them all as he believed that they should be allowed to stay as long as they liked because of what they had been through. He labelled his callers as "heartless".

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I personally don't have a problem with those who feel that they have been wronged claiming compensation. If people did the right thing then the claims wouldn't be made or would fail at court.

As a last resort I've successfully taken legal action myself against those who have wronged myself or my business.

However, I do see your point on occasion. A young lad broke into a hairdressers shop and burnt himself on some chemical solution that had been left out overnight.

After being caught for the burglary, he successfully sued the hairdresser. The reasons given were that she had a 'duty of care' towards anyone who came into her shop (even unlawfully) and that the chemical solution should have been safely stored away.

What if a burglar broke into a home and tripped on some loose carpeting and injured themselves?!?!

Maybe this is a reason why any illegals in the tower are being given support??

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I have plenty for sympathy for them but the victims have to be realistic in their expectations. With all the best will in the world, suitable permanent housing cannot be conjured up from nowhere, it's going to take time.

It will be little comfort to them but I reckon that these unfortunate people are getting a hell of a lot more support than 99% of people who are the victims of serious household fires every week of every year. They will be found permanent homes and they will be compensated (to the extent that anyone can be in such awful circumstances) but it's going to take time and they regretfully have to accept that, as will the forensic process and inquiry.

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A friend of a friend had one of those dodgy tumble dryers that burnt down their house there was no rush of support not even a sense of speed from their insurance company and that's a daily occurence in the UK. No it's not the same scale and there is sympathy for those who died and those who lost people in that incident but over a year we probably have five or six times the number at grenfall who lose their homes often through no direct fault of theirs who get nothing to help them rebuild. Nothing will erode sympathy faster then the living being seen to try and profit from this incident and there are some who are doing that.

There should be no amnesty if the survivors will not give accurate accounts of who was living where then there should be no official bribery to get that information. I agree a degree of compensation is warranted but not an amount that gives a life of luxury for any length of time an amount that gets them back on their feet should be the maximum. Council members who were aware of the situation and did nothing should be charged if they can and if as i suspect there were backhanders involved in the renovation works there should be custodial sentences.

Everyday tradegy strikes families all across the UK in many different ways and they have to manage and don't expect to be sorted out or make any demands. This was horrendous and they should receive help but not a lifetimes help or a lifetimes money especially if they were illegally here.

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The focus of some on here on the perceived behaviour of the affected in terms of their "demands", degree of illegal status and undeserved levels of sympathy strikes chords with the Hillsborough disaster where some of the mainstream media portrayed the victims had in some way contributed to the loss of life.

Their, as it turned out, false coverage, helped to taint the public perception of the victims. I hope that similar comments and coverage does not do the same here ..

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Not the same.

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Police say they have 'reasonable grounds' to suspect Kensington Council and TMO committed corporate manslaughter.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7863616.html

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Newsnight said yesterday that a simulation of the cladding and insulations they mocked up had failed fire safety tests. Which would mean it was illegal I guess...

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Don't public servants watch each others backs?, i'll be surprised if any get their collars felt.

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stab more like

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That was down to the DESIGNERS AND NOBODY ELSE. Look at the plans.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40749036

Am I correct in thinking that Salford is a dyed in the wool Labour council? Hang on though, that can't be right can it because we all know that it's only greedy, working class hating, Tory councils which put the safety of ordinary people at risk don't we... :rolleyes:

I'm sure Corbyn's cronies will clarify it all for us anyway. :rolleyes:

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Perhaps if you provided links to your assertions then people may agree with you.

You have consitently put forward that you have seen the plans, recommendations etc yet have never supplied a link to back up your stance.

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Link to planning website.
Pdf is the "glossy " planning application.
Sectional view of the wall is on page 8.
No fire breaks anywhere and there is not much between the window frame and the outer insulation.

Link

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No outrage about Salford from the usual rose tinted suspects then. Quelle surprise... :rofl:

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I will point out that Salford have been stripping the cladding of said dangerous tower blocks..but so far both Labour and Tory councils are facing this issue together so I think this maybe a situation that goes beyond political parties and ideologies. Neither group can claim the moral high ground because as we know both parties have their fair share of swivel eyed loons and really crap councillors. Just read Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs section to see that.