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Mr Banana

11-01-2018 19:08

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35932037)

A&E does not represent the whole of the NHS. It's you that's missed the point.

No but when there is a crisis, ward nurses get taken off normal duties to go and work in A&E, that’s one Of the reasons ops get cancelled

Mr K	11-01-2018 19:11

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35932051)

No but when there is a crisis, ward nurses get taken off normal duties to go and work in A&E, that’s the problem and why ops get cancelled.

there are over 100,000 vacancies in the NHS; it just might be a factor.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/health-s...overtime-free/

Tell you what's a good idea, indicate to any remaining EU staff that they are not welcome any longer.. Or make student nurses take out loans for their own training...

Mr Banana

11-01-2018 19:19

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35932053)

I agree its wrong to have students paying for their training. On your other point, if we didn't go running to hospital with every sniff, would we need 100,000 extra staff?

Mr K	11-01-2018 19:24

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35932059)

I agree its wrong to have students paying for their training. On your other point, if we didn't go running to hospital with every sniff, would we need 100,000 extra staff?

Trying to deflect blame to the public, is letting the govt off the hook.

(I have no time for A&E time wasters believe me. I have been in a cubicle with my son been told he has a very serious illness with a couple of drunks in the next cubicle).

Mr Banana

11-01-2018 19:30

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35932061)

Its not deflecting, i'm saying we are part of the problem. The government are also part of the problem just like the Labour party have been part of the problem in years gone by.

Mr K	11-01-2018 19:41

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35932063)

Its not deflecting, i'm saying we are part of the problem. The government are also part of the problem just like the Labour party have been part of the problem in years gone by.

Possibly we are part of the problem, we keep getting older, and keep voting in parties on the basis of low taxes. We do need to get real if want a Health Service.

heero_yuy

12-01-2018 09:13

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35932067)

Possibly we are part of the problem, we keep getting older, and keep voting in parties on the basis of low taxes. We do need to get real if want a Health Service.

13 years of Labour with >100 new stealth taxes and yet the NHS didn't get any better?

OLD BOY

12-01-2018 11:19

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35932059)

I agree its wrong to have students paying for their training. On your other point, if we didn't go running to hospital with every sniff, would we need 100,000 extra staff?

Why? I had to pay for mine!!

Maggy

12-01-2018 11:37

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35932142)

Why? I had to pay for mine!!

I didn't.

denphone

12-01-2018 11:44

Re: Crisis in the NHS

Nor did any of our family and friends who worked or are still working for the NHS.

Osem	12-01-2018 13:24

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35932110)

13 years of Labour with >100 new stealth taxes and yet the NHS didn't get any better?

That'll be the £billions they committed the NHS as a result of PFI - privatisation of the worst kind paying over the odds for everything via lucrative gold plated private contracts which are so lucrative they're traded. Yep, IIRC, over 80% were signed on Labour's watch. Of course we'd all be able to forget about that were it not for the fact that many of these contracts are going to last for decades and costing us vast sums of money which could have been far better spent and actually improved the NHS instead of being a drain on it.

Mr K	12-01-2018 13:27

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35932152)

Nor did any of our family and friends who worked or are still working for the NHS.

It's changed Den. Nurses used to get bursaries, now they have to get student loans like any other student. Given that there is a desperate shortage, it's hardly going to encourage new recruits, graduates have much better prospects and working conditions in other professions. Another Tory masterplan !

denphone

18-01-2018 12:54

Re: Crisis in the NHS

A&E patient wait joint-worst on record.

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Almost 15% of England's A&E patients waited more than four hours to be seen last month - the joint-worst figure on record - as senior doctors warn of patients dying in corridors.

https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-winte...elays-11203206

OLD BOY

18-01-2018 22:07

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35932187)

Funny, that, I thought that the bursary system actually restricted the number of nurses that could be trained.

The answer is obvious. Create new nursing posts that don’t actually require a degree. There are solutions if we look for them and that is one of the more obvious ones. It wouldn’t even cost more money if the non-degree nurses were used only to fill the vacant posts. You don’t have to throw money at a problem to resolve it, you just have to get practical.

Mr K	19-01-2018 20:10

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35933073)

Funny, that, I thought that the bursary system actually restricted the number of nurses that could be trained.

Well more are leaving nursing than joining OB, so getting rid of bursaries has backfired. Something they could easily resolve and should do so immediately.

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