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Damien 06-06-2014 21:49
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It's all very weird. Since when were schools meant to have "training in the government's anti-extremism Prevent programme"? That sounds dodgy, it makes it sound like there is a problem with the school.

How come Ofsted have changed their review so quickly? Why did Gove send a anti-terror specialist to investigate and what is happening with that investigation? Have Birmingham got caught in the middle of a cabinet power struggle which has surged ahead of both Ofsted, the local council and the police to verify these allegations? Also what ever happened to that letter?

Maggy 07-06-2014 09:31
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27727345

I think Gove is just trying to deflect 'blame' from his department onto May's department..And after her prolonged efforts to get rid of our more high profile terrorist inmates I think she is feeling rather fragile..;)

Osem 07-06-2014 12:26
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Shadow education secretary Tristram Hunt has accused the government of "incompetence" over its handling of extremism in schools.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27739044

He may be right but his remarks would have a tad more credibility if it wasn't for the fact that Labour were far more incompetent in terms of dealing with extremism (not to mention a host of other things) during their 13 years in power.

At least May managed to get shot of Hamza and Qatada, something Labour never managed - they were, after all, the government who allowed Hamza to openly preach hatred in the streets outside Finsbury Park mosque. Their illegal wars and abject failure to get to grips with extremism led us in large part to where we are now so to blame the current incumbents for not putting the genie back in the bottle is about as rich as Bliar's wine cellar.

Anyway it'll be interesting to hear what proposals he has for handling extremism a bit better...

Ignitionnet 07-06-2014 13:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35704820)
Leaked.

Park View said Ofsted made "absolutely no suggestion, nor did they find any evidence, that Park View schools either promote or tolerate extremism or radicalisation".
If that's the best that they can do the rest of the report can't be pleasant. The primary purpose of it as I understand it was the 'Islamification' of secular schools. Going by that Guardian article guilty as charged.

Zero doubt West Midlands Police and Birmingham City Council will seize on this in a desperate attempt to deflect from their own failings. Wonder if West Midlands Police will follow previous form and launch a criminal investigation against Ofsted?

Pierre 07-06-2014 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35704820)
Leaked.

Park View said Ofsted made "absolutely no suggestion, nor did they find any evidence, that Park View schools either promote or tolerate extremism or radicalisation".
As was mentioned earlier in this thread.

Did the original complaint have any thing to do with " extremism" or " Radicalisation"?

I was under the impression the " Trojan horse" complaint was the islamisation of secular schools, nothing more.

This extremism angle is a smoke screen.

The report Might as well say they found no evidence the school promoted the worship of fairies and wizards.

---------- Post added at 20:54 ---------- Previous post was at 20:53 ----------

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35704888)
If that's the best that they can do the rest of the report can't be pleasant. The primary purpose of it as I understand it was the 'Islamification' of secular schools. Going by that Guardian article guilty as charged.

Zero doubt West Midlands Police and Birmingham City Council will seize on this in a desperate attempt to deflect from their own failings. Wonder if West Midlands Police will follow previous form and launch a criminal investigation against Ofsted?
Exactly

Mr Angry 08-06-2014 00:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35704935)
As was mentioned earlier in this thread.

Did the original complaint have any thing to do with " extremism" or " Radicalisation"?
I don't know. Did it?

Pierre 08-06-2014 06:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35704979)
I don't know. Did it?
Not as far as I can ascertain.

Chris 08-06-2014 09:02
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No, it didn't. Once they were forced to act, Birmingham City Council and its multicultural fanboy allies set up a straw man and have been desperately trying to kick it to bits ever since. The Trojan Horse allegations were not about extremism and radicalisation. They were, in the words of BCC's own chief executive, about "whether there’s undue influence in the ethos, curriculum and practices of schools in relation to Islam."

Andrew Gilligan blogged on this a month ago. As it happens, he believes there is evidence of extremism, nevertheless this is not the pretext upon which all the official investigations were launched.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/an...an-horse-plot/

Mr Angry 08-06-2014 10:37
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Cheers.

Qtx 09-06-2014 12:16
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'Trojan Horse': Schools trust hits out at special measures decision

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The watchdog was called in after allegations of a hardline Muslim takeover of schools in Birmingham and has now inspected 21 schools.

But the Park View Educational Trust said Ofsted had come to its schools "looking for extremism".
This is far from over one thinks.

Cobbydaler 09-06-2014 14:30
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Ofsted say schools were targeted:

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-27763113

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"A culture of fear and intimidation has taken grip" in Birmingham schools caught up in the Trojan Horse claims, says Ofsted chief Sir Michael Wilshaw.

Head teachers have been "marginalised or forced out of their jobs", said Sir Michael, as he delivered his findings on claims of hardline Muslim takeovers.

The Ofsted chief said there was evidence of an "organised campaign to target certain schools".

Qtx 09-06-2014 14:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35705340)
Ofsted say schools were targeted:
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Ofsted has carried out inspections of 21 schools, following claims in an anonymous letter that hardline Muslims were trying to impose their view on a group of schools in Birmingham.

Sir Michael's conclusion is that there had been deliberate attempts to change the ethos of schools - and he has made recommendations, including the use of "professional governors", to the Education Secretary Michael Gove, who will respond later on Monday.

"Some of our findings are deeply worrying and, in some ways, quite shocking," says the Ofsted chief.
So it appears the official investigation is showing the trojan horse letter to be correct after all. Obviously concerns about radical islam related to the school as well going by other reports.

Quote:
Ofsted says that 12 schools will need to make improvements - and three have emerged with praise rather than criticism.

Inspectors' criticisms included: Organised campaign to alter "character and ethos" of schools

Breakdown of trust between governors and staff, with teachers "bullied" and "intimidated" and fearing loss of their jobs
Female staff complained of unfair treatment
Family members being appointed to unadvertised senior leadership posts
The phrase "white prostitute" used in class assemblies
Private investigators hired by governors to check staff email
Is anyone getting the sack for that? Can you imagine if anyone else was accused of that type of racism in an assembly it would be front page news.

richard s 10-06-2014 07:51
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Now Michael Gove has told schools to promote British values! what ever that is. I suppose this would stop any radicalization ideas being put into the Childrens heads as if.

Russ 10-06-2014 08:03
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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35705539)
Now Michael Gove has told schools to promote British values! what ever that is. I suppose this would stop any radicalization ideas being put into the Childrens heads as if.
The irony of using the Americanised spelling of 'radicalisation' ;)

Where has he said about promoting British values?

richard s 10-06-2014 08:06
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35705545)
The irony of using the Americanised spelling of 'radicalisation' ;)

Where has he said about promoting British values?

In the Houses of Parliament Yesterday... ZZzzzz


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