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The Mail and The Sun will be doing this all the campaign! Thankfully it hasn't damaged them yet. Probably for the same reason Maggy has, given this constant attacks in the aftermath of their rise in the polls people mightjust see it for what it is. Desperate attacks.

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thing is Maggy i have always said they would role over and give in even before this campaign against clegg and this just confirms it.

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No it doesn't. Where is it written that he will rollover? I think he is saying that Britain needs to be more realistic about it's place in the world.

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However, it is appropriate to for the press, and others, to point out discrepancies and issues in Lib Dem policies and stories, just like they do with the other parties - the Lib Dems should not be treated any differently.

If they want to play with the big boys, they have to play by the big boys' rules......;)

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If anyone wants to read the article the Mail referenced in context it is here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/19/eu.germany

Or, as I suspect many will, you can ignore it and focus on the Mail's interpretation.

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Yes, until now the other major parties have enjoyed the luxury of being able to largely ignore the Lib Dems and, as a result, they've slipped under the radar. Having made Brown look like a pathetic middle aged groupie with a crush on a 'pretty' young thing (something he'll always have my respect for!), Clegg is in for a rough ride and about to find out how the 'premier league' conducts its business. It'll be interesting to see if he rises to the challenge or.......

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That is what the Telegraph are doing, The Sun and Mail are just smearing him as much as possible to try and stop him preventing the Tories.

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Nice persecution complex, woe is me! :p:

They all take smears from their respective opponents, in the case of the Tories it's the Mirror and, more subtlely, the BBC. Lib Dems had it easy because they weren't considered worth the effort. The extent to which Vince Cable unravelled on the Daily Politics show yesterday wasn't good, we'll see if they can actually stand up to the scrutiny they haven't experienced yet.

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Not a problem i am happy to correct the quote

So how does he intend to do that ?????

Is that a better quote for you, btw the corrections are in red

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If he wants to play with the big kids, He needs to act like one of them. He has moved out of the junior section of politics and into the senior section and the crap throwing that it brings with it. If he cannot handle this what would he be like when we need him to support us in negotiations with other countries and we all know how nasty that can get..

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I heard the Mail is considering adding Nick Clegg to its list of things that Could Cause Cancer ...

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The quote is nowhere need as outrageous in the context of the topic. He is talking about the attitude of the British Press and some people towards Germany and it was written in the mist of a slew of articles about the Germany economy.

Therefore I would suggest the 'Put in our place' would mean to recognise that we could learn a lot from Germany and their economy rather than dismissing them. The two people that you were put in red were people who sued for constructive dismissal because of nazi songs/slogans/jokes directed at them for being German. That is the mindset he was referring too.

So his quote is understandable in that context.

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Well does his square with the amount of criticism Labour get's for smearing the Tories? We're either against spin, smears and "dirty" politics or we are for it when it's in our favour. Which is it?

The Lib Dems deserve to be investigated. Clegg's donations, lobbying past are part of this. However, The Mail and Sun's campaigns are no different to what Labour did,. only more intense.

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I agree. While I mean no disrespect to anyone who has fought in a war (after all, without the efforts of the armed forces in WWII, we would be speaking german now), the war finished 60 odd years ago. Before most of the current population of both the UK and Germany were born. In a lot of cases, before their parents were born. It's also worth pointing out that the Germans I have met have been extremely polite, friendly people and are (if anything) more horrified by what the Nazis did than we are.

Germany now is NOT the same country it was then. We bang on about what a great country we are, and how bad the Germans are, but who is better off? We have mass unemployment and a debt that is greater than the GDP of a lot of countries. The Germans were similarly affected by the world wide recession, but were able to turn their economy around far quicker than we have been. We also have failing public transport systems, and while they are certainly not underfunded, thanks to privatisation, a lot of the money we give to the companies running them isn't actually being spent on improving or maintaining the networks. From what I have seen, German public transport is an order of magnitude better.

As Nick Clegg notes, the average German is also 6% better off than the average Brit. Why? Could it be that they actually worked to improve their lot rather than just bitch about how everyone else made it worse for them?

The war was 60 years ago. We do need to get over it, and work to improve things.

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Oh, and if anyone wants to find the Mail's origins, it was founded by (amongst others) the then Lord Rothermere, who was a friend of Adolf Hitler. It also apparently published articles criticising the repatriation of "stateless Jews" in Britain (no change there, then)..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

Also, if that article is correct, then it seems that Lord Rothermere wrote to Hitler congratulating him on annexing Czechoslovakia, and urging him to invade Romania.

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There is a new war and its over deck chairs and sun loungers :LOL:

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Chris Huhne may regret making this statement The Times CV (from two years ago) for Nick Clegg states What that misses out is that Mr Clegg worked in 1991 as a Trainee at the European Commission, Brussels. DGI, G-24 Co-ordination Unit, and for GPlus (another lobbying firm) 2004-05, where he described his work as Besides a trainee journalist post for six months, and some part-time lecturing for under a year, what is this "career doing real work outside the political system" that Nick Huhne refers to?:confused:

(strangely enough, if it's "no secret", why is neither lobbying job mentioned on Nick's CV on the Lib Dem website....;) ).

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:D:D:D