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RizzyKing 23-10-2009 19:28
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Yeah i am laughing more then ever at this "poor little nick he got picked on on the tv" he went on there of his own accord if he didn't know what he was letting himself in for then i would rather have GB for another five years then the bnp get another vote. I think today shows what the bnp plan was all along it was nothing to do with being on QT or getting recognised it was all about being able to further their "were picked on for our beliefs" rubbish and trying to manipulate more support that way.

Seriously the idea that he is some victim is as laughable as it is offensive more so for those and there are many of them that have been real victims of the bnp and how they operate when there are no cameras about. Little message for you nickie boy if you can't stand the heat saty out of the ktchen and if your going to open your mouth and spout complete drivel and hate expect others to remember it and question you on it when they get the chance as they did last night.

Maggy 23-10-2009 20:25
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No Maggy he wasn't quizzed on anything current. what he was questioned on and was only to be expected was all the drivel he has come out with over the years and as it was the first time many of the public had a chance to question him on that was no surprise to me. How badly he handled it was a surprise to me i was sure he would have had some training before the show on dealing with things a lot better then he did or maybe is capable of handling.

Some people seem to feel he was victimised and bullied and i find that hilarious i really do when you don't have to look hard to see that those are things nick griffin and the bnp core membership are constantly doing to others. Seems it's ok for them to do it but heaven forbid they should ever be on the end of it themselves. He got a very easy ride last night compared to what he could have got and i agree the purpose of last nights show was not to show the bnp for what they are it was to show the nation what nick griffin is like out of his comfort zone you know that place most of us have to deal with often in our lives.

In future i hope the bnp are on more often then we can get to the truth of how capable they are on the real issues of the economy and other things that are just as important as the race area. But right now for anyone to say they now have greater support of the bnp after his appearence last night shows why were in the mess we are with politics if some of us are setting the bar so low for our support.

Personally for me who i admit was more likely to nail my head to a wall then ever vote\support the bnp i found his appearence to be anything but support worthy and showed him up as about as convincing a politician as a chocolate fireguard is for protecting me as fireguards are meant too. He has changed his views according to him on so many of the core thngs the bnp stands for that he clearly hasn't got a single bone of conviction in him.

I would rather someone be honest about their views however despicable i might find them, then have someone who clearly holds views and is scared to express them for the sake of votes he is no different to any of the others except of course the lengths his party would go to if we were ever stupid enough to vote them into power.
Well as I think they have absolutely no idea about how the country is run financially I felt it was something they should have been challenged on.After all no one would hesitate to ask such a question of any of the main stream parties and frankly they have a hell of a lot more experience than Griffin and co.I feel it would have been the real way to show just how bad they would be if given any chance at government funds.

alferret 23-10-2009 20:38
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You seen the program? There is little taken out of contest although the 'defending' of the KKK was kind of badly worded. He did defend the leader of the KKK and unsuccessfully tried to make a joke out of the KKK which brought a stamming response from Greer.
One of the bits I was refering to was when Griffin said that seeing to guys having a kiss in public was "kinda creepy" and what I have seen read came across as Griffin said homosexuals, gay men were creepy.

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Of course we need to know if he is friendly with the KKK! He is an elected representative in the European Parliament, a leader of a party with aspirations to get members into the British Parliament. Going to meet the KKK and being friendly with it's leader is important.
Not really, if I met\spoke to a militant and then I have a position of "power" what I said\did doesnt matter as long as I dont reflect the feelings of that other person\party, JMO obviously.

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They always have someone from the world of culture on the show. This time the politicians were overrepresented as it's usually 3 politicians and 2 from the world of culture/sport/business/religion/other social organisation. She was the best on the show so I am glad she was on.
As I have only caught glimpses of QT on the odd occassion I didnt know\understand the format, thanks for pointing that out :tu: I still feel she wasnt needed though.

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Because they only have 2. Parties get coverage relative to their position amongst the electorate and the BNP are still a minority party by a long way. The Greens and UKIP also don't find a lot of attention. I don't think the BNP deserve special treatment.
They do deserve to be heard on the same platforms as all other parties regardless of how many representatives they have.

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He didn't come across the way he wanted too. His explanation of changing his mind on the Holocaust was poor as was his (lack) of explanation into why a senior member of his party said Churchill was a traitor for fighting other white nationalists (Hitler).
He was poorly prepared for the show & as were his explanations.

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Freedom of Speech does not equate to a free platform. I have freedom speech but couldn't be on Question Time because of my insignificance and lack of interesting things to say.
We all have the right to to freedom of speech & a free platform, as us mere mortals are insignificant your right QT is out of the question but speakers corner isnt, also 900,000 people that voted for the BNP want him as their mouth piece

chamoan 23-10-2009 20:58
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I think Nick Griffin actually made some very valid points last night while the pack of wolves was on him. He was not allowed to always finish what he was saying or explain himself fully, that is no democracy!
I think a large proportion of people in this country (regardless of colour or religion) are partly racist even when they say they are not. Like Griffin said, would a asian family welcome a white person in if their son or daughter took them home? absolutely not and they would not like it, and we have so called "honour killings" as proof!
Labour, and the Torys before them totally messed this country up and helped put us where we are today, look how many people from across europe and the world for that matter have come to this country and taken English peoples jobs. At least with the BNP you know they would actually look after the English people first. I have never considered myself to be pro BNP or share a large portion of the views they have, but I would consider voting for them next time around. Could they really do any worse than Jacqui Smith? which currently is my towns MP.....I think not.

RizzyKing 23-10-2009 21:06
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"look after the English people first" As long as your white fully fit and healthy and contributing in the ways they feel are acceptable and if you don't fit that then the bnp arn't going to be any good for you at all.

martyh 23-10-2009 21:13
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well,i didn't see anything on last nights QT that made me think Nick Griffin could possibly run a country
The only thing i will say though is he must have known he was going to get lynched like that, so either he believes so strongly in what he says or he is so naive as to think that his first televised performance in the political arena would go any other way
if the first then well done to him for standing by his beliefs in the face of such hostillity ,more politicans should do the same
if the second then he has no buisness in politics

Peter_ 23-10-2009 21:14
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At least with the BNP you know they would actually look after the English people first.
I would love to see the criteria for that as very likely most of the present population including fully paid up members of the BNP would need to be repatriated to somewhere.

Russ 23-10-2009 21:19
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Like Griffin said, would a asian family welcome a white person in if their son or daughter took them home? absolutely not and they would not like it,
Let me assure you that's total and utter bollards. My OH is Asian (British Indian), I'm several-generation UK Welsh and they have no problems with me at all. As long as I look after and love my OH then I'm fine by them.

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At least with the BNP you know they would actually look after the English people first.
Good enough reason for the Welsh, Scots and N Irish not to vote for them then.

martyh 23-10-2009 21:33
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Let me assure you that's total and utter bollards..
actually Russ it's not ,it may be in your case and many others but equally the reverse for a lot of asian families, some are extremely racist

Chris 23-10-2009 21:36
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actually Russ it's not ,it may be in your case and many others but equally the reverse for a lot of asian families, some are extremely racist
All of which goes to prove that sweeping generalisations are pointless. And as Griffin's position is based on a whole load of sweeping generalisations, it's fair to conclude that Nick Griffin is pointless.

Oh, and I do hope you're not suggesting that because some Asians are racists, that it's ok for some white people to be racist?

Russ 23-10-2009 21:40
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actually Russ it's not ,it may be in your case and many others but equally the reverse for a lot of asian families, some are extremely racist
I was responding to the post which made it sound like all Asian families are dead set against whites being introduced in to the fold, which is complete crap. I'm got no doubt some Asian families wouldn't like it but that's only worthy of being mentioned if no white UK families objected to a son or daughter dating an Asian.

There are racists on both sides but using generalisations like that will quickly get shot down by examples such as mine.

There are obvious cultural differences that I've experienced, and a level of suspicion which relates more to my intentions for Kym but they'd be like that with any man she met.

I have not experienced any hostility from them at all.

Gary L 23-10-2009 21:43
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Let me assure you that's total and utter bollards.
It's total and utter bollards in the same as way as it's total and udder bollards the other way around.

My mates dad was 'racist' towards me at first. both him and his 2 sisters were embarrassed on his behalf.

Russ 23-10-2009 21:45
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It's total and utter bollards in the same as way as it's total and udder bollards the other way around.

My mates dad was 'racist' towards me at first. both him and his 2 sisters were embarrassed on his behalf.
Did you bother to read the generalisation I was responding to? If so then I see little.....actually no point at all in you posting that.

martyh 23-10-2009 21:46
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All of which goes to prove that sweeping generalisations are pointless. And as Griffin's position is based on a whole load of sweeping generalisations, it's fair to conclude that Nick Griffin is pointless.

Oh, and I do hope you're not suggesting that because some Asians are racists, that it's ok for some white people to be racist?
No Chris i was simply pointing out to Russ that just because he hasn't experienced any anymosity from his OH's family doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Don't try to put meaning into my posts that isn't there ,if i mean to say something then i will say it

Maggy 23-10-2009 21:49
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Can we stick to the topic please?


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