Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34533234)

Attitudes like that never fail to amuse me.

Nobody is putting a gun to these peoples' heads. No-one is forcing them to steal. They are doing it of their own free will. From experience usually these type of people are the sort who think nothing of buying stolen gear or fake designer stuff.

Now if that's how people want to do business then that's up to them, I'm not slagging them off. But to suggest it's the broadcasters who are at fault makes as much sense as Arsene Wenger after the Gunners lose a game.

Originally Posted by mcgeezer (Post 34533334)

These People? What sort of person am I then Russ?

Originally Posted by mcgeezer (Post 34533334)

And yes - I AM suggesting it is partly the broadcasters fault for providing a sub-standard service for an inflated price... shall we have a look at Sky's profits for this year to April?

Originally Posted by mcgeezer (Post 34533334)

Russ, you should be more refrained with your comments about "these people"...

Originally Posted by mcgeezer (Post 34533334)

I pay for my subscriptions and pay for everything else I use - so don't classify me as a person who thinks nothing of buying stolen goods. I work hard for my coin and I pay my way - do you?

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34532358)

you can clone sims so im guessing there are

Originally Posted by mcgeezer (Post 34533219)

Perhaps if Sky and VM gave people fair value for money with their subscriptions then people whould'nt feel the need to steal cable. I subscribe to the medium package which costs £11.50 a month for that - it's a small step up from Freeview... it's shocking value for money. But when you have Sky charging over £40 for a montly subscription to watch crap movies, you'd be best placed to go and join your local Blockbuster store.

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)

so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)

so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34533246)

Why do people buy cheap cigs and beer?
Because it is cheaper ;)
Should they now be called low lifes?
Think about it, that money in tax evasion could be spent to treat sick people in our hospitals.
VM should get their act together instead of moaning about it.
People who call people low lifes should look at themselves very hard.

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34534525)

No: When VM change their rules, you are perfectly entitled to cancel your subscription by giving 30 days notice. Check the terms and conditions of service, or, indeed, contracts law..




Actually, I suspect you'll find it's Sky who took Sky 1..

The fact that a company raises it's prices or has problems with it's services is no justification for theft. Would you go into a shop, pick up an item where the price has gone up in the last week, go to the shop assistant and pay what you would have paid last week? Probably not. If you did, you'd be committing theft and would risk police action.

Why is stealing from a service (such as Virgin or BT) any different?

Generally, you have a legal course of action you can take if you have a grievance with a service or company. You can either stay with it, and hope the company is willing/able to fix the problem, or you can find another provider. That's the beauty of capitalism, choice.

Cloning modems, however you dress it up, is part of the problem, not the solution.

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004 (Post 34534477)

so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34533368)

Are people who pay for cable but download torrents, movies, music blah blah blah lowlife and **** too? What about those who copy music for friends.

Comeon that is a bit OTT, and for 95 percent of us a pretty hypocritical statement to make.

I could use the argument that I pay for expensive CDs because my cable subscription payment friends download music for nothing. Low life? I think not.

Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34533363)

Russ you kind of beat me too it.but just to add, price rises could be cyclical in that those who steal services are forcing prices up.

I would go as far to say those the majority of cable thefts are by people who won't pay, not can't pay. The worst sort of **** in my opinion.

Originally Posted by CableBloke (Post 34531484)

Forget VideoGuard, It's an NDS company and we don't want to give them any more money.

Originally Posted by mcgeezer (Post 34533219)

Perhaps if Sky and VM gave people fair value for money with their subscriptions then people whould'nt feel the need to steal cable. I subscribe to the medium package which costs £11.50 a month for that - it's a small step up from Freeview... it's shocking value for money. But when you have Sky charging over £40 for a montly subscription to watch crap movies, you'd be best placed to go and join your local Blockbuster store. But what really hurts is is the extortionate prices they charge for viewing football matches, I mean over £10 just to watch a pay per view game ontop of your subscription you already pay!!!

If the ppv games were like £2.50 they'd probably get my business.

Sky and Virgin are the people who are pushing up prices, the people who steel cable are simply a byproduct of their (Sky and VM's) greed.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34530467)

Perhaps if they took back their discontinued boxes and had a clamp down inside the organisation this topic would not come up.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34533246)

Why do people buy cheap cigs and beer?
Because it is cheaper ;)
Should they now be called low lifes?
Think about it, that money in tax evasion could be spent to treat sick people in our hospitals.
VM should get their act together instead of moaning about it.
People who call people low lifes should look at themselves very hard.

Originally Posted by CableBloke (Post 34531484)

Forget VideoGuard, It's an NDS company and we don't want to give them any more money