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Hugh 02-03-2026 08:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211517)
Good morning to you too.

I have no problem with Israel, supported by the USA, dealing with Iran militarily.
Repeatedly…

Sephiroth 02-03-2026 08:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211519)
Repeatedly…
Where do you stand on this issue (besides regular sniping)?

Hugh 02-03-2026 08:49
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211521)
Where do you stand on this issue (besides regular sniping)?
I believe that it is a distraction from the Epstein Papers, and invading another country that you have previously said no longer is a threat to you (by previously obliterating its threat capabilities) is wrong.

From today’s WaPo

Quote:
Trump said that “our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime.” He cited two such threats: Iran’s nuclear and missile programs. Of course, just last summer Trump claimed to have “totally obliterated” the Iranian nuclear program.

Now he’s insisting it is so far from obliterated that it poses an “imminent” threat. Yet there is no evidence that Iran has restarted enrichment since June, as Secretary of State Marco Rubio has conceded.
And there is no evidence that Iran is actively developing intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of hitting the U.S. The Defense Intelligence Agency warned last year that Iran could produce such a missile by 2035 if it chose to do so. But its missile production facilities and launch sites were severely damaged in June, and, while there is evidence of Iran rebuilding its capacity to manufacture short- and medium-range missiles, the evidence of ICBM development is lacking.

Sephiroth 02-03-2026 08:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211522)
I believe that it is a distraction from the Epstein Papers, and invading another country that you have previously said no longer is a threat to you (by previously obliterating its threat capabilities) is wrong.

From today’s WaPo
You know my position on this: For Israel, it's an opportunity to zap the country that has promised to obliterate it.

Trump is putting his chest out, the big man - and can use the pretext of Iran's nuclear ambitions that would zap Israel and Saudi and whatever else the mullahs wanted to hit.

So, all in all, the current action literally trumps your irritating rhetoric.

Hugh 02-03-2026 09:07
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
And your agreement with what you yourself call a "pretext" makes your position very clear…

Sephiroth 02-03-2026 09:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211524)
And your agreement with what you yourself call a "pretext" makes your position very clear…
Whatever. My position is that if there is an opportunity to off the Iranian regime, which has at its central policy the obliteration of Israel, then that opportunity should be taken.

Trump's personal motivation is incidental.

Happy sniping.

Hom3r 02-03-2026 09:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I know someone who was on a plane about to take off from Dubai, on Friday.


Flight cancelled and they are stuck.

TheDaddy 02-03-2026 11:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36211444)
The perverse side of my would like to see the manbaby get a bloody nose, :shocked:
I would too, trouble is the blood trickling down his nose won't be his own.

The man is a cretin of the highest order, he was warned by the CIA that this wouldn't end with the ayatolahs (sp) death and there was a succession plan in place then did it anyway, whilst negotiating, again, then wonders why they tell him to stick his ceasefire, people should ask what would have happened if he hadn't ripped up the original Iran nuclear deal and has anyone heard a US president be so disrespectful about the countries military dead, "it is what it is" wtf, also donnie has been saying since 2008 that a US president would attack Iran because they were so deeply unpopular, finally something he is right about but guess what, it didn't work as he said as he's still deeply unpopular, the man has one foot in hell and the other on a banana skin and for the world's and America's sake slipping may well be a blessing. All this to distract from a paedo ring he was at the heart of, as someone in the office said earlier, operation epic fury, more like operation epstein fury.

Hugh 02-03-2026 12:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211525)
Whatever. My position is that if there is an opportunity to off the Iranian regime, which has at its central policy the obliteration of Israel, then that opportunity should be taken.

Trump's personal motivation is incidental.

Happy sniping.
But if the people who take over (probably the IRGC) are just as bad, what’s the point?

Trump has no post-conflict plan, so he will just blame the Iranian people for not doing what he thinks they should do, and more people (including US personnel and people in the countries Iran is retaliating against) will die.

Trump’s personal motivation is central to this, not incidental…

Sephiroth 02-03-2026 13:08
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211536)
But if the people who take over (probably the IRGC) are just as bad, what’s the point?

Trump has no post-conflict plan, so he will just blame the Iranian people for not doing what he thinks they should do, and more people (including US personnel and people in the countries Iran is retaliating against) will die.

Trump’s personal motivation is central to this, not incidental…
I'm coming from the position that at least the regime is offed and its nuclear/ballistic missile threat reduced to zero.

As to Trump's motivation, I don't think we are in disagreement. I'm hoping that he sees this through thoroughly.

Hugh 02-03-2026 13:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211538)
I'm coming from the position that at least the regime is offed and its nuclear/ballistic missile threat reduced to zero.

As to Trump's motivation, I don't think we are in disagreement. I'm hoping that he sees this through thoroughly.
And I’m coming from the position that the regime will continue with the IRGC running things (which will just be more of the same), and the nuclear/ballistic missile threat will be the same as it was after the last "obliteration"…

Sephiroth 02-03-2026 13:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211540)
And I’m coming from the position that the regime will continue with the IRGC running things (which will just be more of the same), and the nuclear/ballistic missile threat will be the same as it was after the last "obliteration"…
And there, we won't disagree. In other words, we'll await the result.

I see divergence in motivation between Israel and the USA. In that sense, Trump may be seen as Netanyahu's useful idiot.

Chris 02-03-2026 15:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211541)
And there, we won't disagree. In other words, we'll await the result.

I see divergence in motivation between Israel and the USA. In that sense, Trump may be seen as Netanyahu's useful idiot.
Trump is an idiot, driven by a base need not to be defined by his past stupidity. He is therefore vulnerable to manipulation by anyone who can convince him his ends are served by doing what they want. Netanyahu is probably one (anything pro-Israel keeps a whole section of the MAGA base happy). Putin is definitely one. Goodness only knows what the KGB/FSB have got on him. Similarly, anyone with a plan to keep his parts of the Epstein files out of view would also be well placed.

Hugh 02-03-2026 18:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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Briefings on on-going military operations are normally, for OpSec purposes, held in a SCIF* (Secure Compartmentalised Information Facility), with no mobile devices being allowed in, or photos taken.

However, for Operation Epic Fury, it is a couple of curtains in a Mar A Lago ballroom, with photos showing the Order of Battle being allowed and distributed…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1772480683

*SCIF

A SCIF (Sensitive Compartment-ed Information Facility) is a highly secure, controlled environment used to protect classified or sensitive information from unauthorized access. SCIFs are essential for protecting national security and intelligence information, and they are typically used by government agencies, military, intelligence organizations, and contractors handling sensitive data.

Physical Security
SCIFs are designed with physical security features to prevent unauthorized access. These include:

Restricted entry: Access is tightly controlled, usually requiring badges, biometric scans, or PIN codes. Entry might require multiple security checks, such as a two-door vestibule system (also known as a man trap) to ensure only authorized personnel enter.

No windows or windows with reflective or obstructive coatings to prevent external visual surveillance.

Shields against electronic surveillance: SCIFs often include protections to prevent eavesdropping or interception of signals (e.g., EM shielding or TEMPEST compliance).

Data and Information Handling
Classified storage: Information, documents, and electronic data within a SCIF are stored in highly secure systems, such as encrypted servers or locked cabinets.

Data exfiltration prevention: There are strict controls on any device that can remove information from the SCIF, such as USB drives, external hard drives, or any form of removable media. These devices are often prohibited or heavily monitored.

Air-gapping: SCIFs often feature air-gapped systems, meaning that their computers and networks are not connected to external networks (including the internet) to prevent data leaks. If communication with external systems is necessary, it’s done through tightly controlled, encrypted methods.

Security Measures to Prevent Eavesdropping:
Soundproofing: SCIFs often use acoustic treatments (e.g., soundproofing materials) to prevent eavesdropping throughsound.

Shielding against electromagnetic interference: To prevent devices within the SCIF from emitting signals that could be intercepted, SCIFs may use shielding that complies with standards like TEMPEST (a U.S. government standard for counteracting electronic surveillance).

Environmental control: SCIFs also employ strict controls on temperature, humidity, and airflow to maintain the integrity of sensitive equipment and prevent environmental factors from triggering alarms or causing system failures

https://ramseytest.com/scif-room/

Carth 03-03-2026 01:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Had to chuckle at that picture, the Big Man looks like somebody who is waiting for the others to bugger off home so he can empty the bins and mop the floor

:D

Hugh 03-03-2026 09:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Why the USA attacked Iran, according to the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2930752.html

Quote:
Mr Rubio said President Donald Trump was forced into a preemptive response after learning of an imminent Israeli attack, as officials knew such an attack would trigger retaliation against US military personnel in the Middle East.

“It was abundantly clear that if Iran came under attack by anyone – the United States or Israel or anyone – they were going to respond, and respond against the United States,” the secretary of state told reporters at the Capitol on Monday.

“We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces, and we knew that if we didn’t pre-emptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties.”

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 10:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Makes sense. Israel knew where Khamenei was because they hacked the streetcams.

Hugh 03-03-2026 11:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211592)
Why the USA attacked Iran, according to the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio.

Quote:
Mr Rubio said President Donald Trump was forced into a preemptive response after learning of an imminent Israeli attack, as officials knew such an attack would trigger retaliation against US military personnel in the Middle East.

“It was abundantly clear that if Iran came under attack by anyone – the United States or Israel or anyone – they were going to respond, and respond against the United States,” the secretary of state told reporters at the Capitol on Monday.

“We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces, and we knew that if we didn’t pre-emptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2930752.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211593)
Makes sense. Israel knew where Khamenei was because they hacked the streetcams.
Why the USA attacked Iran, according to Trump three days ago...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dyz6p3weo

Quote:
Trump has said the aim of the operation is to "ensure that Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon"

"We're going to destroy their missiles and raze their missile industry to the ground. It will be totally again obliterated," he said in an eight-minute video posted on Truth Social on Saturday morning
From the same article

Quote:
Netanyahu dismissed as "ridiculous" claims that Israel had pushed the US into a war with Iran.
And Hegseth says it's retribution...

https://abcnews.com/Politics/hegseth...y?id=130674351

Quote:
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Monday defended the ongoing U.S. attack on Iran as necessary because of Tehran’s missile arsenal and nuclear ambitions, calling it "our retribution" for its yearslong role in sponsoring terrorism.

You would hope that the three people leading the war that could escalate into a global conflict could at least agree on why they are doing it... :dunce:

Carth 03-03-2026 11:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Who could have predicted that another major conflict in the Middle East would push oil & gas prices up?

. . and which Countries economy would benefit from such a thing?


*disclaimer, I've no idea where we buy our oil & gas from, but it won't be Russia will it ;)

Chris 03-03-2026 11:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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Today’s internet is won by a KCL academic for this tweet.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1772541755

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 11:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211596)
Why the USA attacked Iran, according to Trump three days ago...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dyz6p3weo


From the same article


And Hegseth says it's retribution...

https://abcnews.com/Politics/hegseth...y?id=130674351




You would hope that the three people leading the war that could escalate into a global conflict could at least agree on why they are doing it... :dunce:
I really do buy the Rubio assertion. It makes sense when you see that Israel knew where Khamenei was and made its strike accordingly. Trump, presumably, had been warned and knew what he had to do especially after his sabre rattling. It was "show us your willy" time. So, they all know what they're doing and why - never mind some of their utterances.

Hugh 03-03-2026 12:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Or…

They all don’t know what they’re doing and why, and their utterances back that up…

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 12:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211604)
Or…

They all don’t know what they’re doing and why, and their utterances back that up…
Their actions in the field more than suggest otherwise.

Carth 03-03-2026 13:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I can see it being one of those "well it seemed a good idea at the time" episodes

Chris 03-03-2026 14:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211608)
Their actions in the field more than suggest otherwise.
No they don’t.

Tactical competence in the field is the purview of the armed forces, which is doing what it has trained to do and executing one of a range of pre-planned scenarios.

None of that indicates that the politicians and other officials who are supposed to have strategic oversight of it all have any idea what they’re trying to achieve.

Dude111 04-03-2026 07:12
I wanna say Im sorry to my UK friends and everyone else.. Trump is an idiot,a loose cannon.. Starting wars with the world....

Very scary what he is doing!!!


IM SO SORRY

1andrew1 04-03-2026 08:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Let's not forget that this conflict may cost us deeply if it continues to impact energy prices with their knock-on effects to inflation and employment.

Quote:
Gas prices have spiked and global stock markets tumbled as the conflict in the Middle East intensified and concerns grew over how long it will last.

The UK gas price surged to its highest level for three years on Tuesday, following sharp gains on Monday, while Brent crude oil benchmark briefly rose above $85 a barrel for the first time since July 2024.

There are fears the fight in a region that plays a key role in global energy supplies and shipping routes could have a similar impact to Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine four years ago which pushed up the cost of energy, causing price rises for businesses and consumers around the world.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5lz0vgy52o

---------- Post added at 09:06 ---------- Previous post was at 08:50 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36211616)
No they don’t.

Tactical competence in the field is the purview of the armed forces, which is doing what it has trained to do and executing one of a range of pre-planned scenarios.

None of that indicates that the politicians and other officials who are supposed to have strategic oversight of it all have any idea what they’re trying to achieve.
Netanyahu's been successful in doing what he set out to achieve - assassinate the Ayatollah, weaken Iran's military strength severely and for bonus points, drag an insecure Trump on board.

Iran's responding as much as it can with inferior weaponry. I don't know whether attacking countries like Kuwait makes sense but there's obviously a strategy there.

The US just looks reactive and clueless. If I was China, I would be tempted to stretch America's resources by a few naval exercises towards Taiwan.

Carth 04-03-2026 09:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Seems odd to me that oil & gas prices are going through the roof, is it a 'supply and demand' thing?

Just asking because we've already spent £Billions on wind turbines and solar farms so we don't need oil & gas :rofl:

. .. unless of course they're so inefficient we way as well go back to coal :D

Hugh 04-03-2026 09:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211679)
Seems odd to me that oil & gas prices are going through the roof, is it a 'supply and demand' thing?

Just asking because we've already spent £Billions on wind turbines and solar farms so we don't need oil & gas :rofl:

. .. unless of course they're so inefficient we way as well go back to coal :D

Or…

It’s not that simple, either/or…

A blend of renewables and fossil fuels mitigates the impact, but it would have been much worse if we were totally dependent on fossil fuels - but you probably knew that…

https://grid.iamkate.com/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1772620379

Carth 04-03-2026 09:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Just as I thought then, another war started by the profiteering oil companies

oh, and that 0.6% storage tells a story

:D

papa smurf 04-03-2026 09:40
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
how do wind turbines fuel my gas boiler

Carth 04-03-2026 09:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211685)
how do wind turbines fuel my gas boiler
They fuel the small spark that ignites the boiler . . if the wind is blowing

papa smurf 04-03-2026 09:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211686)
They fuel the small spark that ignites the boiler . . if the wind is blowing
ignite what if there's no gas



just had a thought about the spat donny is having with starmer, what if Starmer won the Nobel peace prize for saying no to trump, just imagine the shyte storm that would set off :)

TheDaddy 04-03-2026 10:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211687)
ignite what if there's no gas



just had a thought about the spat donny is having with starmer, what if Starmer won the Nobel peace prize for saying no to trump, just imagine the shyte storm that would set off :)
Someone should suggest that to the committee

1andrew1 04-03-2026 20:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Every cloud...poor old Vance is having to belatedly defend his boss's war despite being elected on an anti-war platform.
Quote:
In January 2023, then-Senator JD Vance took to the Wall Street Journal op-ed page to announce his early support for Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election. The primary reason for his support, he claimed, was that Trump “started no wars.”

Meanwhile, other restrainers who were counting on Vance to behave as a true believer are starting to question the sincerity of his views. “This is a guy who has converted from atheism to Catholicism, the guy who called Trump ‘Hitler’ who is now his vice president,” said the nonprofit leader. “Am I confident that he is entirely moored or tethered to any one perspective or worldview? No.”

The anger directed at Vance stems not only from the fact that he failed to prevent a potentially costly war but also that, in the process, he has done lasting damage to the anti-interventionists’ long-term project of convincing war-weary voters to embrace the GOP as their political home.

For Vance, who is widely expected to seek the Republican nomination for president in 2028, that represents an electoral problem as well as an ideological one. “He wants to build a grand coalition on the right, and I think it’s going to be impossible to build a grand coalition by just ignoring the anti-war right,” Mills said. “I think he’s going to have to win back some of that support.”
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...1-bea349fbd349

Hugh 05-03-2026 07:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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Comment in the FT this morning, in response to a statement by Scott Bessent (US Secretary of Commerce) that Trump’s 15% tariffs on all other countries will probably happen this week…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1772700628

Summarising the summary

The US wants to treat literally every other country as an enemy/subject, while wanting every other country to treat the US like an ally/master…

papa smurf 06-03-2026 16:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Epstein files include claim Donald Trump 'sexually assaulted child then punched her'


Donald Trump is alleged to have sexually assaulted a woman while she was a minor, according to a claim reported in the Epstein Files.

The unnamed woman claimed the US President sexually assaulted her after being introduced by Jeffrey Epstein when she was aged between 13 and 15. The woman claimed in the October, 2019, interview she first met Trump in either New York or New Jersey, while Epstein was also present.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-new...woman-36825665

gona need a really big distraction to make this go away

Hugh 06-03-2026 16:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211876)
Epstein files include claim Donald Trump 'sexually assaulted child then punched her'


Donald Trump is alleged to have sexually assaulted a woman while she was a minor, according to a claim reported in the Epstein Files.

The unnamed woman claimed the US President sexually assaulted her after being introduced by Jeffrey Epstein when she was aged between 13 and 15. The woman claimed in the October, 2019, interview she first met Trump in either New York or New Jersey, while Epstein was also present.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-new...woman-36825665

gona need a really big distraction to make this go away

<cough cough>

Quote:
Trump says Cuba is next: ‘Gonna fall pretty soon’ he tells CNN

After ousting Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro with a daring snatch-and-grab operation and decapitating Iran’s leadership at the outset of the week-old American-Israeli aerial war, President Donald Trump says the next target for his administration’s regime change campaign is a nearby nemesis that has resisted similar efforts for nearly seven decades.

The president told CNN in an interview on Friday that he believes his administration is close to toppling the communist government that has led Cuba, the Caribbean island just 90 miles off the Florida coast, since 1959.

“Cuba is gonna fall pretty soon,” said the president, who spoke with CNN correspondent Dana Bash by phone in a brief interview
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2933514.html

thenry 06-03-2026 16:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211876)
Epstein files include claim Donald Trump 'sexually assaulted child then punched her'


Donald Trump is alleged to have sexually assaulted a woman while she was a minor, according to a claim reported in the Epstein Files.

The unnamed woman claimed the US President sexually assaulted her after being introduced by Jeffrey Epstein when she was aged between 13 and 15. The woman claimed in the October, 2019, interview she first met Trump in either New York or New Jersey, while Epstein was also present.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-new...woman-36825665

gona need a really big distraction to make this go away
:LOL:

1andrew1 07-03-2026 09:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
More chaos for American business and those poor souls trying to export there.
Quote:
US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said the US was "likely" to implement a 15% global tariff this week, following conflicting statements from President Donald Trump about the rate.

The new tariff is intended to replace the sweeping global import taxes Trump imposed last year but were recently struck down by the Supreme Court.

The White House responded to that ruling by imposing a levy at 10% - despite Trump claiming on social media it would be 15%.

The contradiction sparked widespread global confusion at the time, with businesses and world leaders calling for clarity.

White House officials have previously said they were working on paperwork to align the duties with Trump's statements.

They have dismissed the significance of the court ruling, saying they can use other legal tools to restore the tariff policies, which they say will help rebalance trade, boost domestic manufacturing and pay down US debt.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwzzq70qgvo

Carth 07-03-2026 12:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Just stop selling stuff to the USA

If it's going to cost you 10% extra, why not sell it elsewhere at *up to* 8% extra and save a quid or two while pissing Humpty Trumpy off

Hugh 07-03-2026 12:46
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211927)
Just stop selling stuff to the USA

If it's going to cost you 10% extra, why not sell it elsewhere at *up to* 8% extra and save a quid or two while pissing Humpty Trumpy off
Yes, we just need to find other countries who will buy over £200 billion per year of extra goods and services, and take the 17.5% of the total UK trade - that should be morsel of micturition…

Carth 07-03-2026 15:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Good call Hugh, let's just carry on being a bottom feeder of a Country then

Hugh 07-03-2026 16:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211935)
Good call Hugh, let's just carry on being a bottom feeder of a Country then
You do seem to view things in either/or, when, in reality, it’s usually more nuanced..

I was merely pointing out that, like most things, it’s not that simple (or easy)…

Dingbat 07-03-2026 17:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211929)
Yes, we just need to find other countries who will buy over £200 billion per year of extra goods and services, and take the 17.5% of the total UK trade - that should be morsel of micturition…
If only we were part of a multinational organisation that encouraged tariff-free trade between its members…

Sephiroth 07-03-2026 19:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 36211939)
If only we were part of a multinational organisation that encouraged tariff-free trade between its members…
... except that it's still dog eats dog in the EU. See France for details.

Hugh 07-03-2026 20:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211947)
... except that it's still dog eats dog in the EU. See France for details.
What details would that be?

Carth 07-03-2026 22:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211938)
You do seem to view things in either/or, when, in reality, it’s usually more nuanced..

I was merely pointing out that, like most things, it’s not that simple (or easy)…
Yes, apologies as my answer did come over with a bit of a fighting stance (at my age, who am I kidding haha).

I've always seemed to be an 'it's either black or white' type of person, usually because I view the grey bits in the middle as often quite confusing and tediously boring as they go round in circles ;) :D

Hugh 07-03-2026 23:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211951)
Yes, apologies as my answer did come over with a bit of a fighting stance (at my age, who am I kidding haha).

I've always seemed to be an 'it's either black or white' type of person, usually because I view the grey bits in the middle as often quite confusing and tediously boring as they go round in circles ;) :D
No worries.

I have a slightly different view, as my first proper job was an Intelligence Analyst in the RAF, and part of my job was to focus on the "grey bits", as they were often the things that led to options in decision making* - it’s easy to make decisions on yes/no information, but when it’s "fuzzy", the info has to be challenged and validated, not just taken as said.

*this was helping provide information that would provide routes for nuclear-armed aircraft to have mostly survivable routes to deliver "instant sunshine" inside Sov territory, so not being fully diligent could lead to sub-optimal outcomes…

Sephiroth 08-03-2026 10:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
How is anyone qualified to analyse “grey bits” in their first job? You’ve got to meaningfully know your black from the white in order to assess grey and fuzzy.

I’d have to take Carth’s apology as “fuzzy” and, perhaps, politically correct.

papa smurf 08-03-2026 11:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211973)
How is anyone qualified to analyse “grey bits” in their first job? You’ve got to meaningfully know your black from the white in order to assess grey and fuzzy.

I’d have to take Carth’s apology as “fuzzy” and, perhaps, politically correct.
it's not polite to question Satchmo when he's blowing his own trumpet ;)

Sephiroth 08-03-2026 11:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211948)
What details would that be?
See France.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211979)
it's not polite to question Satchmo when he's blowing his own trumpet ;)
Define “trumpet”.

papa smurf 08-03-2026 11:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211980)
See France.

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Define “trumpet”.
https://www.google.com/search?q=blow...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Hugh 08-03-2026 11:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211973)
How is anyone qualified to analyse “grey bits” in their first job? You’ve got to meaningfully know your black from the white in order to assess grey and fuzzy.

I’d have to take Carth’s apology as “fuzzy” and, perhaps, politically correct.
My first job lasted 8 years - in the first three, I learned the basics (language, military structure, order of battle, locations, what to listen for, what to record); after that, I was promoted (and trained) in the analysis, interpretation, and presentation of that information, and obviously learning all the time from my more experienced colleagues.

Hope this clarifies things…

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211947)
... except that it's still dog eats dog in the EU. See France for details.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211948)
What details would that be?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211980)
See France.

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How not to answer a question….

papa smurf 09-03-2026 11:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
i found it a bit sick to see the orange pillock saluting the bodies of those Americans he's responsible for killing with his stupid war

Chris 09-03-2026 13:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36212069)
i found it a bit sick to see the orange pillock saluting the bodies of those Americans he's responsible for killing with his stupid war
In his stupid MAGA hat and open neck shirt.

I’m told Fox News re-edited footage of Trump so he didn’t look like a disrespectful scruff bag.

Hugh 09-03-2026 13:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36212080)
In his stupid MAGA hat and open neck shirt.

I’m told Fox News re-edited footage of Trump so he didn’t look like a disrespectful scruff bag.

They showed footage from a previous ceremony in December, without a hat - apparently, by mistake...

Damien 09-03-2026 15:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
One of the fun things in this calamity is watching all the Trump supporters who claimed he was anti-war twist to justify this.

To be fair, some have broken with him over this. They are calling it out, but even for them to have to wonder how gullible and stupid they were to buy that Trump was the anti-war candidate. Whereas others are just ignoring how anti-Iran intervention they were to support Trump no matter what.

Absolute marks the lot of them.

thenry 09-03-2026 15:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I still prefer him instead of the alternative, Kamala Harris. :no:

This no war thing was forced upon him by a religious hatred of Israel. Rinse and repeat anybody?

Stephen 09-03-2026 18:59
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36212090)
I still prefer him instead of the alternative, Kamala Harris. :no:

This no war thing was forced upon him by a religious hatred of Israel. Rinse and repeat anybody?
The country would have been more stable under Harris.

Also the no war thing was NOT forced upon him, he campaigned on no wars, no regime changes and being the president of peace!

Yet more lies from him.

papa smurf 09-03-2026 19:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36212105)
The country would have been more stable under Harris.

Also the no war thing was NOT forced upon him, he campaigned on no wars, no regime changes and being the president of peace!

Yet more lies from him.
he's got the FIFA piss prize

jem 09-03-2026 20:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36212108)
he's got the FIFA piss prize
You mean ‘the Precious’?

Hugh 10-03-2026 07:49
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
USA medical treatment may be expensive, but they can achieve some impressive results…

https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-m...225949703.html

Quote:
"All of the people that died through the roadside bombs. Died and are, right now, walking around with no legs, no arms," Trump said during the news conference, following remarks to Republicans.

papa smurf 10-03-2026 08:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Zombie cyborgs :shocked:

Paul 10-03-2026 16:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Still dont understand how the Americans cannot see how senile he is becoming.

Chris 10-03-2026 16:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36212158)
Still dont understand how the Americans cannot see how senile he is becoming.
They can see ;)

However if they have him removed more than 12 months before the end of his term, Vance will replace him until 2028 and while he is then more or less a shoo-in for the Republican nomination for the next election, he will be term-limited and only eligible to serve one full term as president in his own right. If they leave it until the beginning of next year to have Trump declared unfit under the 25th Amendment, then Vance gets a 12-month run-in as president and is then able to stand for election for 2028-31 and (assuming he wins) for re-election for 2032-35.

1andrew1 10-03-2026 17:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36212089)
One of the fun things in this calamity is watching all the Trump supporters who claimed he was anti-war twist to justify this.

To be fair, some have broken with him over this. They are calling it out, but even for them to have to wonder how gullible and stupid they were to buy that Trump was the anti-war candidate. Whereas others are just ignoring how anti-Iran intervention they were to support Trump no matter what.

Absolute marks the lot of them.
The worst offender being JD Vance who was elected on such a mandate.
Quote:
Where the hell is JD Vance?’: Why Trump’s VP is missing in action

In January 2023, JD Vance decided to let bygones be bygones and back the probable Republican presidential nominee.

His pitch to the American people was simple, as he laid out in an article for the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) announcing his endorsement: “Trump’s Best Foreign Policy? Not Starting Any Wars.”

It was a stark indication of Mr Vance’s own political strategy. The 41-year-old former US marine, who was deployed to Iraq, had long argued against American intervention abroad, from supplying weapons to Ukraine, to the invasion of Iraq.

“American taxpayer money has continued to flow to Ukraine,” he wrote in the WSJ. “A wiser foreign policy wouldn’t have let such conduct go unnoticed.”
Three years later, sitting in the White House beside the man he once compared to Adolf Hitler, Mr Vance has been notably quiet since the president chose to launch devastating strikes on Iran, weeks after raiding Venezuela and capturing its president.

As Republicans rushed to praise the strikes Mr Vance, a prolific social media presence, was notably silent for almost 72 hours, aside from reposting official administration content.

In November 2024, Mr Vance argued explicitly against US military action in Iran.“Our interest, I think, very much is in not going to war with Iran,” he said on a podcast. “It would be a huge distraction of resources. It would be massively expensive to our country.” In an April 2024 speech on the senate floor, he cited his own experience serving in Iraq as the basis for his scepticism of interventionism.
https://archive.ph/5dXiR#selection-3467.0-3503.55

Hom3r 12-03-2026 16:03
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36212158)
Still dont understand how the Americans cannot see how senile he is becoming.

Becoming???

Sephiroth 12-03-2026 16:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
.... and delusional. No off-ramp that would leave Iran and the world better off.

Damien 13-03-2026 07:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36212256)
.... and delusional. No off-ramp that would leave Iran and the world better off.
The handy thing with Trump is that he doesn't really need an off-ramp.

It's possible he gets bored, declares victory and moves on. His supporters will celebrate and chalk it up to another brilliant move by Trump, he won't care and repeatedly say he achieved all his objectives, and the rest of the world will go along with it because it's a better outcome for all concerned.

It's like the Greenland thing. We're just weeks past the US bordering threatening to invade an ally, a European nation, to appease Trump's ego. Then he sort of gave up, and we all just went 'whatever' and moved on.

You have to treat him like a petulant child prone to the worst temper tantrums. One time, he says he'll invade allies, the next he starts a war with Iran, the next time he might try to ban elections he doesn't like, but each time you have to try and ride it out, knowing he'll get bored and move on.

Carth 13-03-2026 07:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Probably the best explanation of the Trump 'modus operandi' I've ever read.

:tu:

Sephiroth 13-03-2026 08:01
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36212300)
Probably the best explanation of the Trump 'modus operandi' I've ever read.

:tu:
Agreed. Save, perhaps, for more Epstein revelations.

1andrew1 13-03-2026 08:07
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36212301)
Agreed. Save, perhaps, for more Epstein revelations.
If that occurs then plenty of other countries left to play with. Hasn't Cuba moved up his hit list?

Sephiroth 13-03-2026 08:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36212302)
If that occurs then plenty of other countries left to play with. Hasn't Cuba moved up his hit list?
Where did you get that from, Andrew? Cuba isn't even a midge in Trump's ear and he has the country totally strait-jacketed, imo.

I'd like to know what Vance is doing in the background.

Carth 13-03-2026 08:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Cuba was last week, this week he's thrown another dart at the map on the wall . . . and The Maldives are gonna get it now ;)

1andrew1 13-03-2026 08:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36212304)
Where did you get that from, Andrew? Cuba isn't even a midge in Trump's ear and he has the country totally strait-jacketed, imo.

I'd like to know what Vance is doing in the background.
Quite a few articles about it out there. This one is from the The Telegraph's sister publication, Politico.
https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/f...-trumps-radar/

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36212306)
Cuba was last week, this week he's thrown another dart at the map on the wall . . . and The Maldives are gonna get it now ;)
Lol, that's probably right - he probably previously missed the dartboard and hit 'Greenland' on the White House globe instead! ;)

Sephiroth 13-03-2026 10:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
@1Andrew1@
I like the “sister journal” attribution to the Torygraph. Has the Springer deal been approved?

I still maintain my “midge” point. The journos like to set hares running. There’s a 2025 Military Cooperation Agreement between Russia and Cuba that might come into play, but no kmutual defence treaty.

Dingbat 13-03-2026 12:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36212300)
Probably the best explanation of the Trump 'modus operandi' I've ever read.

:tu:
A lot of words to explain how TACO works.

Carth 13-03-2026 12:46
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I always thought Taco was some kind of Mexican sandwich :D

Dingbat 13-03-2026 12:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump Always Chickens Out


HTH :)

Hugh 13-03-2026 13:11
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36212294)
The handy thing with Trump is that he doesn't really need an off-ramp.

It's possible he gets bored, declares victory and moves on. His supporters will celebrate and chalk it up to another brilliant move by Trump, he won't care and repeatedly say he achieved all his objectives, and the rest of the world will go along with it because it's a better outcome for all concerned.

It's like the Greenland thing. We're just weeks past the US bordering threatening to invade an ally, a European nation, to appease Trump's ego. Then he sort of gave up, and we all just went 'whatever' and moved on.

You have to treat him like a petulant child prone to the worst temper tantrums. One time, he says he'll invade allies, the next he starts a war with Iran, the next time he might try to ban elections he doesn't like, but each time you have to try and ride it out, knowing he'll get bored and move on.
Also, knows better than anyone else…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an-blocking-it

Quote:
Surely this would have been anticipated by Washington when it decided to attack Iran?

US military planners have long warned that Iran could try to close the strait in the event of a conflict, but the Trump administration appears to have failed to anticipate such a response.

While some analysts had bet Iran would keep the strait open to ensure export of its own oil, the existential threat to Tehran’s clerical regime has triggered a far harsher response. That in turn has caught Washington out, including the energy secretary, Chris Wright, who said on Thursday that the US navy was not yet ready to carry out a naval escort operation.

“It’ll happen relatively soon, but it can’t happen now,” Wright said – after earlier wrongly suggesting that an escort had already taken place. “We’re simply not ready.” He added that “all of our military assets right now are focused on destroying” Iran’s military resources.
Pity they didn’t focus on the minelayers in the first attacks, amongst other strategic targets…

Itshim 13-03-2026 13:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36212090)
I still prefer him instead of the alternative, Kamala Harris. :no:

This no war thing was forced upon him by a religious hatred of Israel. Rinse and repeat anybody?
No way I would ever vote for her. Pity about the alternative. She should have never nominated.

Dingbat 13-03-2026 13:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36212334)
Pity they didn’t focus on the minelayers in the first attacks, amongst other strategic targets…
When you sack all the experts and replace them with no-knowledge political sycophants, this is what you are left with.

Hugh 13-03-2026 13:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
2 Attachment(s)
In today’s FT

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1773412370
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1773412370

Sephiroth 13-03-2026 13:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36212334)
Also, knows better than anyone else…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an-blocking-it



Pity they didn’t focus on the minelayers in the first attacks, amongst other strategic targets…
It may have been a cunning plan to get the Straits closed so that USA could cash in on the elevated oil price.

thenry 13-03-2026 13:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I don't like being at the feet of an enemy just so I don't feel economic pain. Irans a threat to the middle east itself shown in abundance thus far. Irans war with America is something else.

Hugh 13-03-2026 13:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36212341)
I don't like being at the feet of an enemy just so I don't feel economic pain. Irans a threat to the middle east itself shown in abundance thus far. Irans war with America is something else.
Don’t you mean Israel and America’s war with Iran?

thenry 13-03-2026 14:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36212342)
Don’t you mean Israel and America’s war with Iran?
No. A passenger plane shot down many moons ago are still grievances for Iran.

Hugh 13-03-2026 14:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36212343)
No. A passenger plane shot down many moons ago are still grievances for Iran.

So, in retaliation for the USA allegedly shooting down Iran Air 655, Iran was attacked by Israel and the USA - interesting way of looking at things...


Does that mean Malaysia and South Korea are at war with Russia?

1andrew1 13-03-2026 14:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Good article. It does look like Iran has the US by the short and curleys here!

thenry 13-03-2026 14:59
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36212349)
So, in retaliation for the USA allegedly shooting down Iran Air 655, Iran was attacked by Israel and the USA - interesting way of looking at things...


Does that mean Malaysia and South Korea are at war with Russia?
All I said was Iran had its own war going on with America.

Dingbat 13-03-2026 15:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Makes me wonder why the Gulf states, with all the money they have, haven’t considered building a ship canal across the peninsular to avoid going through the strait and anywhere near the Iran coast.

Carth 13-03-2026 15:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 36212352)
Makes me wonder why the Gulf states, with all the money they have, haven’t considered building a ship canal across the peninsular to avoid going through the strait and anywhere near the Iran coast.
It could also possibly help alleviate those pesky rising sea levels we keep hearing of.

Actually, we in the UK should build more canals and fewer roads . . every little helps :D

Hugh 13-03-2026 15:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36212351)
All I said was Iran had its own war going on with America.
It really didn't...

thenry 13-03-2026 15:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36212359)
It really didn't...
How so?

Hugh 13-03-2026 15:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 36212352)
Makes me wonder why the Gulf states, with all the money they have, haven’t considered building a ship canal across the peninsular to avoid going through the strait and anywhere near the Iran coast.

It's about 800km (Suez Canal is under 200km) - and the canal would still be in missile and drone range of Iran...

1andrew1 13-03-2026 15:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36212323)
@1Andrew1@
I like the “sister journal” attribution to the Torygraph. Has the Springer deal been approved?
I thought it had but I've not followed it too closely, there is probably quite a lot of red tape to jump though though. We'll know for sure when the editorials become less eurosceptic. ;)

Hugh 13-03-2026 16:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36212360)
How so?
You said "All I said was Iran had its own war going on with America."

Currently, the USA and Israel have hit over 15,000 targets in Iran in the last two weeks (including a school with over 160 dead schoolchildren), sunk 60 Iranian Navy ships, and have stated that this is ramping up, and Hegseth has stated there will be "no quarter" (which is a war crime and illegal under both the Geneva Convention and the US Department of Defence Laws of War Manual).

What war like this did Iran have going on with the USA?

thenry 13-03-2026 16:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36212365)
You said "All I said was Iran had its own war going on with America."

Currently, the USA and Israel have hit over 15,000 targets in Iran in the last two weeks (including a school with over 160 dead schoolchildren), sunk 60 Iranian Navy ships, and have stated that this is ramping up, and Hegseth has stated there will be "no quarter" (which is a war crime and illegal under both the Geneva Convention and the US Department of Defence rules).

What war like this did Iran have going on with the USA?
Has sorry had does sound different to what I meant. Iran has it's own grievances with America which could be a total different war with America.

Hugh 13-03-2026 16:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36212323)
@1Andrew1@
I like the “sister journal” attribution to the Torygraph. Has the Springer deal been approved?

I still maintain my “midge” point. The journos like to set hares running. There’s a 2025 Military Cooperation Agreement between Russia and Cuba that might come into play, but no kmutual defence treaty.
It’s not the journos, it’s Trump

https://wapo.st/3PfVsrx

Quote:
President Donald Trump has made clear that Cuba is next on his agenda of states to topple, following the January capture of Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro and the launching of a war against Iran.


The U.S., Trump said late last week, “is looking forward to the great change that will be coming to Cuba,” a country that is “at the end of the line” and in its “last moments of life".

”

“They’re down to fumes,” Trump said Monday, “It may be a friendly takeover, it might not be a friendly takeover. It wouldn’t matter.”


“We are talking to Cuba, whose leaders should make a deal,” a White House official said Friday in response to questions about the talks. “Cuba is a failing nation whose rulers have had a major setback with the loss of support from Venezuela and with Mexico ceasing to send them oil.” The official spoke on the condition of anonymity under rules set by the White House.


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