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I'm not sure how you interpret my statement as a "when not if" as a timebound proposal.

However your inability to recognise this explains a lot.

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That's exactly what Johnson did only the other way around after he'd done a quick check of the wind direction.

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GB News must think its viewers are daft. I stopped watching it when Farage blamed NATO for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

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what does the small print on the photo say?

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Are there 180 Conservative MPs with a spine?

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is the vote anonymous? or does Boris get to see who has kept quiet and stabbed him in the back?

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Anonymous

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Johnson will survive with 52% of the vote :)

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GB news was even too far right wing for Andrew Neil man

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And he said Channel 4 was a far left entity, but hasn’t stopped him getting his own show on there on a Sunday evening. :rolleyes:

Btw, GB News is not “far right”.

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Twitter lobby journalists are predicting about 100 MPs to vote against Johnson.

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The cake was a quick happy birthday between meetings. It was, as I said, an over-reaction of the Met Police to issue him with a fine. It lasted all of 9 minutes.

How anyone can view that as a Covid breach and Starmer’s AFTER WORK dinner and beers with others in a house as within the law, I’m afraid, escapes me! We are told it went on until 1am and they came out sloshed.

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Yeah silly me, wanting everyone's vote to count and the government not being in the pocket of rich chums or unions is to high an aspiration for this country

Or in Bozo's mind, he said he do it all over again earlier

:spin: Wibble

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Glad to see you're as good with the truth as Boris. Even Sue Grey's official report says Boris was there for the entire 20 mins and I'd not be surprised if 20 mins was the minimum admission they thought they could get away with.

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Voting has closed!

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There aren't any pundits expecting him to lose, I think the declared supporters are high enough. It's if the 100 votes against the barrier are reached and then if he gets a higher percentage of the parliamentary party voting against him than May did.

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I think most people think Boris will win but the bonus is the Conservatives will just be giving themselves a further 12 months for him to destroy any public support they still have. So unless he resigns (unlikely when you're so arrogant), we've got a long drawn out car crash of a premiership to look forward to until they can have another go this time next year. Thinking about it, I'm not sure which outcome I'll enjoy the most!

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He's nothing like Treason may,no need to resign if he get's 50% +1 vote,i don't see the need to reinvent the rules of the vote.

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not for certain as Thatcher and May both won votes and gone months later depends on the numbers

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20:24
Voting has now finished in the Conservatives' confidence ballot on Boris Johnson's leadership.

For the past two hours Tory MPs have been lining up to cast their vote on whether they want the PM to continue in his post.


Sir Graham Brady is expected to make a statement with the results at around 9pm

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Within the margins of the next leader to bribe MPs with jobs on Government payroll. Or Putin to target his investment in the UK political system. After all these goons need second jobs to survive.

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Boris survives.

211 for, 148 against

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A dead man walking.

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This ^

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https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...02169921007617

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A Government running on fumes.

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tory civil war incoming

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Careful now Den, don't think hes competent enough to be trusted with walking ;)

Perfect result for the opposition. Fatally damaged but still there.

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A majority of 63 for Boris, any win is a good win.

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So any Conservative thinking of defying the government will maybe have 147 others supporting them. Happy days ahead.

And there still going to get stuffed in the upcoming by-elections.

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Over 40% of his own MPs don't have confidence in him, that's good ? :D

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like Thatcher Major and May you mean that won by more but gone soon after

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See what happens after the by-elections I guess.

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My thoughts are not a good result for the cons,the people don't like it when their previous mp turns out to be a wrong un.

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Such is the history of the Tory party. The party most likely to bring down a Tory government is the Tory party.

Given a massive majority, and a mandate to go out there and pass any law they want, they piss it all up the wall, and bollocks to any pandemic excuses. They screwed that up, unnecessary lockdowns, tanking the economy, party gate, Boris will unlikely make it to the next election meaning some Westminster centric pro-remain candidate will probably win the leadership destroying the gains made in 2019.

All that said I still couldn’t look at Labour until they got rid of Starmer and could define what a woman was. In fact the Tories best chances at the next election would for Starmer to still be Labour leader. They may just still hang on to some Red Wall seats by pitching against the man that wanted to overturn Brexit.

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I would expect them to lose both.

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The Tories would be mad to go into the next election talking about Brexit unless Starmer made it a manifesto commitment to overturn it. You would have Labour talking about the NHS and the cost of living crisis and the Tories talking about an election issue from 2019 that the country sees as settled.

Starmer is a non-entity. The expectation was that he would detoxify Labour from the association with Corbyn but lose the next election having cut the Tory Majority. The only reason he stands a chance is because of the cost of living crisis along with the Tories shooting themselves in the foot. I don't think Labour has anyone that much better but quite a few people who aren't worse so a 'Beergate' fine might test that theory.

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Well they've got you on side in the culture wars.

As for the economy tanking it's of their own making.

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Johnson should withdraw the Whip from those who voted against him…

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Dead Man Walking

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And Boris the Clown continues? Will he actually drop the act and show us a REAL politician/leader? Or will it be more of the same old b******s?

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It's a secret ballot.

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I don’t expect him to see out the year, but you never know. Personally, I would prefer him to fight another election. I doubt he will get that chance.

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Even I wouldn't wish that humiliation on him!

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What did that victorian hat stand say when Mrs May got a similar result, some twaddle about it being awful or something just lost consciousness listening to him, smug, boring prick

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Sir Keith gets to point out that 40% of the folk sitting behind him have no confidence in him.

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Lefty talking.

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I don’t know how you have the audacity, to even say this when you were quite content to have Jeremy Corbyn, in no 10. :erm:

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Link to what he said

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Boris Johnson’s vote hasn’t slipped that much since the Conservative Leadership election in 2019. Back then, he received 66% of the vote against Jeremy Hunt. In this vote of confidence, he achieved 59%, which is still a very decisive result.

I think you guys need to chill. Boris remains in power. This is a storm in a teacup and the frantic speculation that it is only a short time before he leaves office is a measure of your desperation.

He is firmly in position, despite some of the predictions on here, and he lives to fight another day. There will be many more of them.

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Better than Starmer any day.😉

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I know, but quite a few announced publicly how they voted…

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Righty bloviating…

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I see you got the Whips’ WhatsApp message, then… ;)

However, in the real world, 117 voted against May, and 148 against Johnson, so if you’re playing the percentages game, 26.5% more Tory MPs voted against Johnson…

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All we are witnessing here is a Pro-remain parliament and pro-remain Tory party enacting revenge on the man that got Brexit over the line.

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Sir Kier's mouthpiece at it early this morning.

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Paranoid much?

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Aint that the truth.

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no.

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He has always been a clown. Even before becominbg PM.
I'd be embaressed if I was a conservative MP.

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Strangely I agree with you on both points.

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What we're seeing here is a party in a panic about the next election and their unelectable incompetent leader.

The Brexit card can only be played so often; it isnt a very good card either given what's happened to the country as a result.

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It saves the cult from having to deal with the inadequacy of the leader.

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I was being facetious when I posted this, but lo and behold…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1654602276

These people really aren’t very bright, are they?

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Poor old Boris, it never rains but it pours:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1533804622049071106

Turns out he never was "on deaths door" when he had Covid as, in his own words, his condition at the time was "really mild"

We were previously told that his condition was so severe that his doctors had prepared to announce his death.

Once a liar, always a liar ...

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-60289386

Bit hard on the old man isn't she? With friends like her who needs enemies?

As Kenneth Williams portraying Caesar said " Infamy, infamy they've all got it in for me ! "

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Apparently Rees-Mogg has been recorded saying:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1072990467598385152

;);););)

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Boris considers sacking TWENTY frontbench Tories in punishment for attempted coup

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...Street-updates

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Secret ballot wasnt it? Or will he take a random 20 and have them shot Sadam Hussein style? He always knew how to deal with an 'attempted coup'.

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I like your style,there may be a job for you.

Sadly there will probably be a trickle of resignations robbing us of said executions.

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Excellent idea - sack them all, to ensure all the guilty ones are fired.

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Dear Lord, you cannot imagine the scale of the enormity of the toss (polite version) that I couldn't give about that.

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Yes but most normal people care about their Prime Minister being truthful. You don't, I get it, but most do.

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Maybe he's just being an incredibly brave boy and wants to understate the whole illness. I'm sure he's not the type to exaggerate to gain sympathy or a political advantage. :rolleyes:

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Just like Blair he never lied did he:confused:

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About nearly dying - no, he didn’t…

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:shocked: Defending Bliar now

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Why so shocked, lying is the PM's default position these days. Blair couldn't lay a finger on him in comparison.

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You can say what you want about Johnson, and be right. But whatever he may or may not have done is nowhere near the blood that Blair has on his hands through lies, never mind about misleading Parliament.

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Cake or War?

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It doesn't matter a hang. If Johnson carries on regardless and achieves his manifesto, who in the Parliamentary party will be speaking against him then? Only the usual suspects (mainly remainers).

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Was his manifesto - inflation and fuel prices out of control, the NHS in shreds, immigration massively high, taxes massively high , national debt at record highs, empty shop shelves, strikes, lack of people prepared to work at min wage rates and a cost of living crisis? If so, carry on , he's a shoe in....
( and votes against have come from all parts of his divided party. The 'usual suspects' are most of his backbenchers - they are Turkeys and they see Xmas coming...)

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After all we don't know what Tory MPs have been told by their constituents about the situation.It's their base support they will be listening to.

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That sounds like standard Labour policy. ;)

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Exactly ! but theres no vacancy for Labour leader atm.;)
Tbh wouldn't put it past him to change parties if it meant keeping the party pad and that lovely wallpaper....

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Making crap up now :shocked:

Stating a fact about someone (I personally think Blair’s a dick) isn’t "defending" them - otherwise, if I stated you seem to spend most of your time on this forum trolling, that would be me "defending" you…

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Have you forgotten about Covid and Ukraine already? Yours are pretty crass examples. Neither Covid nor the war were foreseen, and they had to be paid for.

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Ah right. So you are criticising Boris now for the furlough scheme and all the other support he put into fighting the disease, and you think that’s what Labour would have done. And do you agree with supporting Ukraine?

If so, why are you criticising him?

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It’s delayed, not trashed, for the reasons above.

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Not sure how those two issues impact the end of the housebuilding targets to take but one example. Money's been wasted looking at pipe dreams like the bridge to NI when we needed more power stations and gas storage.

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Wake up and smell the coffee OB, even the Torygraph are briefing against , 'Big Dog', have a gander. He's promised everything and delivered nothing except debt, a poorer nation, and persistent lies.

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and you forgotten exports tanking or did you forget that on purpose because it because of brexit

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miracles never happen mr k OB will never ever say tories did anything wrong

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Not really any different to others on here who will never say they did anything right. ;)

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Wow, Seph, so you don't acknowledge the impact of the Russian attack on Ukraine as having any part of this! What about the impact on fuel prices, which has put up the price of food and other goods? Boris has had to deal with a whole series of huge, unforeseen problems and you just dismiss them out of hand!

1. Tried to change the rules so that his mate Owen Paterson could survive;


I agree that was a misjudgement.

2. Changed the Ministerial Code so that honesty/integrity are not part thereof;

You will, of course, be aware that this was a recommendation of the Committee on Standards and Public Life,,,

3. Increased taxes, nothwithstanding the manifesto;

The reliefs and other impacts of Covid have to be paid for. How else will the debt be repaid?

4. Falsely claimed that he is solving the ocial care crisis;
It is not a false claim. He has identified the money needed, which will be used initially to bring down waiting lists in the NHS and will then be moved to tackle the care crisis. Again, the impact of Covid has delayed the increased attention to the care service - it is not off the agenda as you intimate.

5. Failed to ensure that people can see their GP;

No, he hasn't. The NHS has been told to get on with that. I don't know about your surgery, but we have already received letters about this, and extended opening times.


6. Done nothing meaningful to rectify the lost education for children;

Boris has been in the front seat on this, ensuring that schools remained open and he has provided a £700 million plan to help people in England to catch up with lost learning time.

8. Introduced an unachievable Net Zero policy that is sending people into panic as to what do do about their cars;

Isn't that what we are being told over and over again by the scientists we have to do?

9. Has not yet implemented any energy self-sufficiency measures such as additional nuclear, fracking and reversion to coal so that the lights stay on;

The lights will stay on, Seph. We are in a better position than other EU countries

10. Nearly worst of all, is paying farmers not to produce food (so we have to import it);

The reason there has not been more crop growing relates to the lack of fertiliser, low or no fuel supplies for tractors, closure of ports and military activity.

11. Worst of all, he remains a liar who has learnt nothing from the shambles he has cause and never will.

I think you've fallen into the hands of the Opposition, Seph!

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Yes, but the above minor aberrations are easily outweighed by the world-leading enquiry into the use of Imperial measures. :D

You should also add:
- Lied over patients being discharged to care homes safely and tried to pass the blame onto the NHS.
- Set up a VIP lane for PPE which wasted £bns.
- Lied about no customs border in the Irish Sea.
- Current airport fiasco.

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Boris is a proven liar which the electorate sort of expect from any political party.
What's worse is he lied to Parliament.

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Two pretty big things and the vanguard in regards to support for Ukraine

I agree with all that, some of it is a bit harsh as his first two years have been pretty much taken up with the two items above, I'll judge him on his remaining term, if he serves it.


Just one exception
well money is there for extra tuition for kids. My kids got 9 weeks of extra tuition at their school.

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All politicians lie, Maggy, including Starmer, who provided false information about his beer party.

As far as lying to Parliament is concerned, you know very well that he claims to have supplied information on the so-called ‘parties’ that he believed to be correct at the time. That will be tested by the Select Committee, so we shall see.

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Johnson is in the Premier League here whilst John Major, Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher etc only make the Sunday League.

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And Sarmer has won the world cup with the invisible woman coming second.

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I’m unsure how you can lie about an event that demonstrably didn’t take place.

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No, it wasn't...

The Committee recommended, on the Ministerial Code

Johnson ignored the recommendations that would provide balance and oversight to his and Ministers' roles - he chose not to grant the Independent Adviser full autonomy to initiate investigations into potential breaches of the ministerial code - the adviser will still need to be granted permission from the Prime Minister. There were four recommendations on the Ministerial Code and the Independent Adviser on Ministers' Interest, but he only choose the one that would lessen the impact of punishment for breaches, rather than the whole package which provided holistic oversight and governance...

But you knew that, and were just repeating the Party line...

He also the ensured the Nolan Principles, which have formed the basis of the standards expected of those in public life for nearly 30 years, no longer featuring prominently in the Ministerial Code.

The Committee recommended that there needs to be greater independence in the regulation of the Ministerial Code, which lags behind similar arrangements for MPs, peers, and civil servants, but nothing happened to those recommendations...

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf