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1andrew1 24-09-2021 18:12
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094306)
More than rather improbable, wouldn't you say?
Slightly more probable than the US trade deal plugged way back by some on this thread, though. ;)

Sephiroth 24-09-2021 18:32
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094329)
Slightly more probable than the US trade deal plugged way back by some on this thread, though. ;)
I set that up nicely!

OLD BOY 24-09-2021 21:40
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094220)
They wanted a trade deal with the US which Johnson said would be easy. Instead they're discussing empty shelves and HGV driver shortages.
It was easy, but then Biden came along.

mrmistoffelees 24-09-2021 21:47
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094367)
It was easy, but then Biden came along.
Always someone’s else’s fault… interesting that.

OLD BOY 24-09-2021 21:51
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094369)
Always someone’s else’s fault… interesting that.
That’s because it is, in this case. Trump was going to push the deal through within the first months of his second term, which he was utterly convinced he would get, whereas Biden is not interested in trade deals….according to Biden.

mrmistoffelees 24-09-2021 21:55
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094371)
That’s because it is, in this case. Trump was going to push the deal through within the first months of his second term, which he was utterly convinced he would get, whereas Biden is not interested in trade deals….according to Biden.
By that logic had we not had Brexit then this wouldn’t be an issue at all. But, in both cases, what happened, happened.

So, now in both situations we have to manage/deal with the situation.

OLD BOY 24-09-2021 21:57
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094374)
By that logic had we not had Brexit then this wouldn’t be an issue at all. But, in both cases, what happened, happened.

So, now in both situations we have to manage/deal with the situation.
And already, we have released all restrictions on beef and lamb exports to the US and we have achieved Aukus, potentially worth billions to this country.

We are doing all right, with or without a US trade deal.

mrmistoffelees 24-09-2021 22:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094376)
And already, we have released all restrictions on beef and lamb exports to the US and we have achieved Aukus, potentially worth billions to this country.

We are doing all right, with or without a US trade deal.
So your complaint about Biden is basically null & void if ‘we’re doing alright’

Hugh 24-09-2021 23:18
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094371)
That’s because it is, in this case. Trump was going to push the deal through within the first months of his second term, which he was utterly convinced he would get, whereas Biden is not interested in trade deals….according to Biden.
Actually, he first said he was going to do it in late 2016…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...donald-trumps/

Then in early 2017 it wasn’t going to happen…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...nals-qz80pvqjb
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The Times revealed on Saturday that senior officials from the US, UK and EU believed that Europe had moved ahead of Britain in the queue for trade talks. A source close to the White House said that the Trump administration had come to a “realisation” that a deal with the EU was more important to US interests than a post-Brexit deal with Britain.

Mr Ross’s stance marks a change in position in the White House since President Trump said in January that he wanted to sign a trade deal with Britain quickly because it was “good for both sides”.

OLD BOY 25-09-2021 03:34
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094378)
So your complaint about Biden is basically null & void if ‘we’re doing alright’
Except maybe we could have done better. How many contortions are you prepared to perform just to embarrass yourself even more?

Well, be my guest. :D

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094389)
Actually, he first said he was going to do it in late 2016…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...donald-trumps/

Then in early 2017 it wasn’t going to happen…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...nals-qz80pvqjb
Whatever, Hugh. It hardly matters any more, does it?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...rexit-britain/

Hugh 25-09-2021 10:51
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"whatever", indeed…

Your point - "we could have had a great deal if Trump had won"
Counterpoint - "in 2017, any deal was not seen as a priority"
Your response - ‘whatever"

I see your many years in the Oxford Union Debating Society were not wasted…:D

OLD BOY 25-09-2021 11:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094428)
"whatever", indeed…

Your point - "we could have had a great deal if Trump had won"
Counterpoint - "in 2017, any deal was not seen as a priority"
Your response - ‘whatever"

I see your many years in the Oxford Union Debating Society were not wasted…:D
I said ‘whatever’, Hugh, because the 2019 article I posted referred to Trump having this significant deal he wanted to offer us. It’s not clear from your post why you thought events in 2016/17 were more significant.

We were almost certain to get a deal with Trump as President.

Hugh 25-09-2021 11:04
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
He also wanted to offer us a deal in 2016, then didn’t - believe what people do (or don’t do), not what they say they’ll do…

OLD BOY 25-09-2021 11:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094431)
He also wanted to offer us a deal in 2016, then didn’t - believe what people do (or don’t do), not what they say they’ll do…
H’mmm…so Biden says he doesn’t see trade deals as a priority, so maybe he really does and we’ll get a deal this year.

It sounds like you are really straining to make an argument here.

Hugh 25-09-2021 11:21
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If you strained any more, you would need a prescription for ex-lax…;)

My logic is not "people do the opposite of what they say", it’s "if they say they are going to do something (or not do something), see what they do".

Trump said in 2016 we would have a deal - four years later, no deal was forthcoming…

1andrew1 25-09-2021 11:34
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094432)
H’mmm…so Biden says he doesn’t see trade deals as a priority, so maybe he really does and we’ll get a deal this year.

It sounds like you are really straining to make an argument here.
Looking like you're flogging a dead horse with the US trade deal. Any updates on the India and China trade deals for us instead?

mrmistoffelees 25-09-2021 11:42
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094446)
Looking like you're flogging a dead horse with the US trade deal. Any updates on the India and China trade deals for us instead?

Yes, it’s all the fault of <insert relevant countries leader here>

OLD BOY 25-09-2021 14:28
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094446)
Looking like you're flogging a dead horse with the US trade deal. Any updates on the India and China trade deals for us instead?
Trade talks with India start this year, but China needs to start behaving itself before we jump into any arrangements with them.

Taf 25-09-2021 15:21
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094432)
H’mmm…so Biden says he doesn’t see trade deals as a priority, so maybe he really does and we’ll get a deal this year.
His priorities are not decided by him alone, I suspect. The immense USA civil service will be looking at all the items in their to do lists. It just depends when one catches the political spotlight that any movement will be made.

TheDaddy 25-09-2021 16:18
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094451)
Yes, it’s all the fault of <insert relevant countries leader here>
Who'd have thought regaining sovereignty would amount to snivelling about which world leader was the latest to be mean to us

Chris 25-09-2021 16:39
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
So funny (not funny) watching remainers being so endlessly desperate for this country to fail and celebrating every sliver of a possibility of something not working out …

Sephiroth 25-09-2021 16:44
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36094521)
Who'd have thought regaining sovereignty would amount to snivelling about which world leader was the latest to be mean to us
That is a very shallow statement that only reflects the bitterness of a Remainer.

Regaining sovereignty is about not having to follow rule or something akin to that from Brussels.

If you are going to complain like that, perhaps chose something like the NI Protocol, where we don’t have real terms sovereignty - signed by my government but totally against my wishes.


mrmistoffelees 25-09-2021 17:05
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094523)
So funny (not funny) watching remainers being so endlessly desperate for this country to fail and celebrating every sliver of a possibility of something not working out …

Indeed, however, to counter you then have some of those who voted/wanted to leave who refuse to accept that Brexit plays any part whatsoever in any of the current issues that the country faces.


Guilt on both sides

I won’t use the term Brexiteer as I don’t believe it should be used as an insult
to those that made a democratise choice.

TheDaddy 25-09-2021 17:07
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094524)
That is a very shallow statement that only reflects the bitterness of a Remainer.

Regaining sovereignty is about not having to follow rule or something akin to that from Brussels.

If you are going to complain like that, perhaps chose something like the NI Protocol, where we don’t have real terms sovereignty - signed by my government but totally against my wishes.

Tbh I'm passed caring and I'm not wasting anymore time on it aside from pithy remarks

Chris 25-09-2021 17:27
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094526)
Indeed, however, to counter you then have some of those who voted/wanted to leave who refuse to accept that Brexit plays any part whatsoever in any of the current issues that the country faces.


Guilt on both sides

I won’t use the term Brexiteer as I don’t believe it should be used as an insult
to those that made a democratise choice.
On the contrary, for my part at least, it is integral to my belief that this country was excessively entangled in the EU, that disentangling us would cause certain short term difficulties. Furthermore, getting into a position where we can take advantage of our newfound freedom will take time. It has been 40 years since we have had to operate an independent trade policy so obviously we’re not going to get everything was aspire to have, from day one.

I might argue whether certain things are or are not a product of Brexit, but I would certainly never argue that Brexit as a process does not come with complications. My point is, existing as a sovereign state with full democratic control of its own institutions and agencies is for the long-term good of the nation and its people, and this country’s resilience is such that it can more than cope with the effort necessary to get us there.

1andrew1 25-09-2021 17:50
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094509)
Trade talks with India start this year, but China needs to start behaving itself before we jump into any arrangements with them.
Thanks.

Mick 25-09-2021 18:15
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094530)
On the contrary, for my part at least, it is integral to my belief that this country was excessively entangled in the EU, that disentangling us would cause certain short term difficulties. Furthermore, getting into a position where we can take advantage of our newfound freedom will take time. It has been 40 years since we have had to operate an independent trade policy so obviously we’re not going to get everything was aspire to have, from day one.

I might argue whether certain things are or are not a product of Brexit, but I would certainly never argue that Brexit as a process does not come with complications. My point is, existing as a sovereign state with full democratic control of its own institutions and agencies is for the long-term good of the nation and its people, and this country’s resilience is such that it can more than cope with the effort necessary to get us there.
Exactly.

Mad Max 25-09-2021 18:34
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094530)
On the contrary, for my part at least, it is integral to my belief that this country was excessively entangled in the EU, that disentangling us would cause certain short term difficulties. Furthermore, getting into a position where we can take advantage of our newfound freedom will take time. It has been 40 years since we have had to operate an independent trade policy so obviously we’re not going to get everything was aspire to have, from day one.

I might argue whether certain things are or are not a product of Brexit, but I would certainly never argue that Brexit as a process does not come with complications. My point is, existing as a sovereign state with full democratic control of its own institutions and agencies is for the long-term good of the nation and its people, and this country’s resilience is such that it can more than cope with the effort necessary to get us there.
Well said.

OLD BOY 25-09-2021 22:08
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36094521)
Who'd have thought regaining sovereignty would amount to snivelling about which world leader was the latest to be mean to us
Your perspective on things never fails to make me laugh, TheDaddy.

You must see a very black world out there.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094526)
Indeed, however, to counter you then have some of those who voted/wanted to leave who refuse to accept that Brexit plays any part whatsoever in any of the current issues that the country faces.


Guilt on both sides

I won’t use the term Brexiteer as I don’t believe it should be used as an insult
to those that made a democratise choice.
Ah, yes, democracy should never be forgotten in this debate.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t discourage those with a totalitarian mindset from trying to find every sensationalist headline suggesting that we made a gargantuan mistake, even though the decision has now been made.

I think Brexiteers always knew that the ‘remoaners’ would try to point out that everything that went wrong after Brexit was due to Brexit. But as time goes on, that will become more and more difficult to justify.

Maybe we should just let these short-sighted people have their day. After all, the truth of the matter will become undeniable with time.

mrmistoffelees 25-09-2021 22:16
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094554)
Your perspective on things never fails to make me laugh, TheDaddy.

You must see a very black world out there.

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Ah, yes, democracy should never be forgotten in this debate.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t discourage those with a totalitarian mindset from trying to find every sensationalist headline suggesting that we made a gargantuan mistake, even though the decision has now been made.

I think Brexiteers always knew that the ‘remoaners’ would try to point out that everything that went wrong after Brexit was due to Brexit. But as time goes on, that will become more and more difficult to justify.

Maybe we should just let these short-sighted people have their day. After all, the truth of the matter will become undeniable with time.
And as an alternative view there are some that are blaming covid for every single thing that’s going wrong, that also will become more and more difficult to sustain over time.

TheDaddy 25-09-2021 22:20
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094530)
On the contrary, for my part at least, it is integral to my belief that this country was excessively entangled in the EU, that disentangling us would cause certain short term difficulties. Furthermore, getting into a position where we can take advantage of our newfound freedom will take time. It has been 40 years since we have had to operate an independent trade policy so obviously we’re not going to get everything was aspire to have, from day one.

I might argue whether certain things are or are not a product of Brexit, but I would certainly never argue that Brexit as a process does not come with complications. My point is, existing as a sovereign state with full democratic control of its own institutions and agencies is for the long-term good of the nation and its people, and this country’s resilience is such that it can more than cope with the effort necessary to get us there.
Funnily enough that was my exact reasoning for staying in, that we were to entrenched and getting out was going to cause more trouble and pain than it was worth.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094554)
Your perspective on things never fails to make me laugh, TheDaddy.

You must see a very black world out there.
I didn't know bots laughed

OLD BOY 25-09-2021 22:26
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094556)
And as an alternative view there are some that are blaming covid for every single thing that’s going wrong, that also will become more and more difficult to sustain over time.
I don’t disagree with you on that, although at the same time, the impact of Covid should not be denied.

mrmistoffelees 25-09-2021 22:28
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094530)
On the contrary, for my part at least, it is integral to my belief that this country was excessively entangled in the EU, that disentangling us would cause certain short term difficulties. Furthermore, getting into a position where we can take advantage of our newfound freedom will take time. It has been 40 years since we have had to operate an independent trade policy so obviously we’re not going to get everything was aspire to have, from day one.

I might argue whether certain things are or are not a product of Brexit, but I would certainly never argue that Brexit as a process does not come with complications. My point is, existing as a sovereign state with full democratic control of its own institutions and agencies is for the long-term good of the nation and its people, and this country’s resilience is such that it can more than cope with the effort necessary to get us there.

Fair points , I guess it can be asked if the juice is worth the squeeze and that will always be a personal decision.
to add I might also be slightly more confident in our situation if we had any sign of a competent government.

I do seem however to remember that many people (I don’t mean you) who were advocating to leave stating quite clearly that there would be no issues and those those issues which we are seeing we’re deemed as project fear. Now, I’m not saying that everything we are currently facing is 100% due to us leaving but it plays it’s percentage part.

The worst thing i think is that the way that the two camps have vilified each other, it’s operating at an almost extremist level with shouts of treason and racism being used to classify the masses on either side.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094558)
I don’t disagree with you on that, although at the same time, the impact of Covid should not be denied.
You’re right, it shouldn’t, but, there are those that would seek to blame covid for everything, as there are those that would choose to try and blame
Brexit for everything.

OLD BOY 25-09-2021 22:32
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36094557)


I didn't know bots laughed
I am sure that will raise a giggle in certain remote and unfathomable places on this planet.

Don’t give up the day job just yet.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094559)
Fair points , I guess it can be asked if the juice is worth the squeeze and that will always be a personal decision.
to add I might also be slightly more confident in our situation if we had any sign of a competent government.

I do seem however to remember that many people (I don’t mean you) who were advocating to leave stating quite clearly that there would be no issues and those those issues which we are seeing we’re deemed as project fear. Now, I’m not saying that everything we are currently facing is 100% due to us leaving but it plays it’s percentage part.

The worst thing i think is that the way that the two camps have vilified each other, it’s operating at an almost extremist level with shouts of treason and racism being used to classify the masses on either side.

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You’re right, it shouldn’t, but, there are those that would seek to blame covid for everything, as there are those that would choose to try and blame
Brexit for everything.
I am happy to say that I am complete agreement with you on this.

I am not one of those who believed that there would be no issues regarding Brexit. I simply believed, and still do, that the advantages of leaving were more important than the disadvantages.

mrmistoffelees 25-09-2021 22:36
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094561)
I am sure that will raise a giggle in certain remote and unfathomable places on this planet.

Don’t give up the day job just yet.

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I am happy to say that I am complete agreement with you on this.

I am not one of those who believed that there would be no issues regarding Brexit. I simply believed, and still do, that the advantages of leaving were more important than the disadvantages.
Oh crap…..:D

I’m yet to see any of the advantages or signs of advantages, but as before I hope we get them.

My biggest concern now is having a competent enough government to deliver these imho ‘supposed advantages’

1andrew1 26-09-2021 15:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Michael Barnier's Secret Brexit Diary is being released this coming week. Other books are available and this is obviously his viewpoint, albeit he was obviously in the thick of it.

It seems to suggest that fears that Britain negotiated a bad deal were justified.
Quote:
In October 2020, David Frost cancelled negotiations and refused to resume them unless the EU publicly changed its position and recognised UK “sovereignty”. A week later he had to humiliatingly crawl back to the table. Most disastrously, the threat of a no deal fell flat. Barnier comments: “The British want us to believe that they are not afraid of a no deal”; they are playing a “game of chicken” and the EU task is to “keep our cool”.
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Finally, the EU used deadlines effectively to get its way, whereas the UK walked into a series of traps. May unnecessarily triggered Article 50, which started a two-year stopwatch, without a clear vision of what she wanted. When Davis tried to hurry Barnier up, his response was that “[Davis] is mistaken. We have time on our side”.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Secret-B...rmat=1&depth=1
Guardian review: https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...itish-roasting

Carth 26-09-2021 15:28
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Well, he's not going to write in his 'memoirs' that he screwed up is he ;)

1andrew1 26-09-2021 15:49
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094563)
Oh crap…..:D

I’m yet to see any of the advantages or signs of advantages, but as before I hope we get them.

My biggest concern now is having a competent enough government to deliver these imho ‘supposed advantages’
Agreed. So far, any advantages seem to be being enjoyed by the EU at our expense.

I still don't feel that the deal was particularly great or that the UK has been competent in implementing Brexit. Like you, I hope that the government's competence improves and that we are able to locate and exploit any opportunities that it provides.

Carth 26-09-2021 16:00
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Things won't improve until people (especially businesses) stop fighting against it.

jfman 26-09-2021 16:12
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36094671)
Well, he's not going to write in his 'memoirs' that he screwed up is he ;)
Could write a fictional account of a person in similar circumstances. Like OJ Simpson’s “If I did it…”

Carth 26-09-2021 16:24
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
That one brought a vision to mind, Bart Simpson . . "I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything" :D

1andrew1 26-09-2021 19:11
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36094680)
That one brought a vision to mind, Bart Simpson . . "I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything" :D
I know which Simpson I believe more out of those two. ;)

Sephiroth 30-09-2021 17:04
Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Well, I know I've been respecting MrM's suggestion that I avoid the 'inflammatory' use of term "ENEMY" when describing France or the EU. But very little else epitomises what France is threatening as anything but inimical.

Here's the paywall link and some selected quotes:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...aign=DM1497990

Quote:
French fishermen ‘could block Channel tunnel’ over licences row
Quote:
French fishermen could block the Channel tunnel after being denied access to UK's waters as Jersey announced it would also grant fewer than half of the fishing licences demanded by Paris.
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France's minister of the seas, Annick Girardin gave the UK two weeks to give ground on licences or face French or EU-imposed sanctions, including on energy supply to Jersey, UK students in France, railways and trade.

"We are demanding retaliatory measures at the European level. On the French level, what can we do?," she asked after a meeting with fishing officials in Paris.

That includes "the energy issue (cutting off Jersey's electricity supply from mainland France," she said.

"But let's also talk about welcoming students in France, rail and trade flows. I proposed to fishermen to prepare these responses over two weeks. There can be no more extra time."
To all you Remainers of the Hugh/Andrew type: We have left the EU so that we should not be dictated to by Brussels nor the French. I invite you to deprecate the French demands that we accede to their blackmail.

The least I expect from the Guvmin is to quickly send a couple of gunboats back to Jersey and enforce our/Jersey's rights.

papa smurf 30-09-2021 17:18
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36095243)

Well, I know I've been respecting MrM's suggestion that I avoid the 'inflammatory' use of term "ENEMY" when describing France or the EU. But very little else epitomises what France is threatening as anything but inimical.

Here's the paywall link and some selected quotes:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...aign=DM1497990






To all you Remainers of the Hugh/Andrew type: We have left the EU so that we should not be dictated to by Brussels nor the French. I invite you to deprecate the French demands that we accede to their blackmail.

The least I expect from the Guvmin is to quickly send a couple of gunboats back to Jersey and enforce our/Jersey's rights.

all we have to do is send a ww2 Panzerkampfwagen through the tunnel and they will surrender

1andrew1 30-09-2021 17:31
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36095246)
all we have to do is send a ww2 Panzerkampfwagen through the tunnel and they will surrender
Unfortunately, our drivers for it are currently elsewhere delivering fuel to the petrol stations.

Hugh 30-09-2021 17:36
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36095246)
all we have to do is send a ww2 Panzerkampfwagen through the tunnel and they will surrender
Considering it's a rail tunnel, could be tricky... ;)

(and a Panzer wouldn't fit on the carriages they use to carry cars/campervans/coaches/etc., as the maximum width is 2.55 metres, and the Panzer is 2.88 metres).

Back to the drawing board... :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36095243)

Well, I know I've been respecting MrM's suggestion that I avoid the 'inflammatory' use of term "ENEMY" when describing France or the EU. But very little else epitomises what France is threatening as anything but inimical.

Here's the paywall link and some selected quotes:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...aign=DM1497990






To all you Remainers of the Hugh/Andrew type: We have left the EU so that we should not be dictated to by Brussels nor the French. I invite you to deprecate the French demands that we accede to their blackmail.

The least I expect from the Guvmin is to quickly send a couple of gunboats back to Jersey and enforce our/Jersey's rights.
As has been previously stated (multiple times), we are all Leavers now.

It's most unlike the Telegraph to print something that would inflame antipathy towards the French/EU - I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked! :D

papa smurf 30-09-2021 17:48
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36095248)
Considering it's a rail tunnel, could be tricky... ;)

(and a Panzer wouldn't fit on the carriages they use to carry cars/campervans/coaches/etc., as the maximum width is 2.55 metres, and the Panzer is 2.88 metres).

Back to the drawing board... :D

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As has been previously stated (multiple times), we are all Leavers now.

It's most unlike the Telegraph to print something that would inflame antipathy towards the French/EU - I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked! :D
we'll bung it on the ferry.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36095247)
Unfortunately, our drivers for it are currently elsewhere delivering fuel to the petrol stations.
i can drive a tank.

Sephiroth 30-09-2021 17:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36095248)
Considering it's a rail tunnel, could be tricky... ;)

(and a Panzer wouldn't fit on the carriages they use to carry cars/campervans/coaches/etc., as the maximum width is 2.55 metres, and the Panzer is 2.88 metres).

Back to the drawing board... :D

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As has been previously stated (multiple times), we are all Leavers now.

It's most unlike the Telegraph to print something that would inflame antipathy towards the French/EU - I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked! :D
You might have edited it out - but didn't you say something about a "mouthy French Mayor" to which I say can't wait for Mouthy Macron to climb into this.

That's the Mouth who dissed the AZ jab and is now miffed that Sanofi has pricked his pride by dropping their Covid vaccine.

1andrew1 30-09-2021 17:54
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we'll bung it on the ferry.

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i can drive a tank.
If so, you can drive an HGV, I'll get Johnson to give you a bell. :)

papa smurf 30-09-2021 18:03
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If so, you can drive an HGV, I'll get Johnson to give you a bell. :)
i struggle with parking laws

jonbxx 30-09-2021 18:04
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It's not clear at this point if the non-issuance of licences that the French fishermen was technically correct or not. There seems to be a gap in the number of licences issued and the numbers of French vessels who traditionally fished in these water but if there's not the correct evidence that the vessels had traditionally fished in those waters then unlucky Jean-Pierre. Of course, that is taking a 'purist view' to the TCA.

However, the cynic in me does suggest that the timing of this does nicely coincide with what's going on in the country and a certain parties conference next week.

1andrew1 30-09-2021 18:05
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36095256)
i struggle with parking laws
Tut tut. :D
But that's ok now, we've made the rules for HGV drivers a bit easier now. :)

heero_yuy 30-09-2021 18:06
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36095256)
i struggle with parking laws
The advantage of a tank is that you can park where somebody is already parked. :D

papa smurf 30-09-2021 18:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36095259)
The advantage of a tank is that you can park where somebody is already parked. :D
And you don't have to swing wide on tight corners, you just take the side off the building.

Chris 30-09-2021 18:10
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36095256)
i struggle with parking laws
You want to be careful …. Germany attempted to park an entire Panzer division in Poland. It didn’t end well.

Hugh 30-09-2021 18:52
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095261)
You want to be careful …. Germany attempted to park an entire Panzer division in Poland. It didn’t end well.
tbf, we repaid the favour by parking 11* Tank divisions in West Germany in the 60s, 70s, & 80s… ;)

(4 US, 3 French, 7 3 U.K.)

Hugh 30-09-2021 18:56
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we'll bung it on the ferry.

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i can drive a tank.
I believe they’ve advanced a bit since you passed your test… ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1633020948

1andrew1 30-09-2021 19:13
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36095257)
It's not clear at this point if the non-issuance of licences that the French fishermen was technically correct or not. There seems to be a gap in the number of licences issued and the numbers of French vessels who traditionally fished in these water but if there's not the correct evidence that the vessels had traditionally fished in those waters then unlucky Jean-Pierre. Of course, that is taking a 'purist view' to the TCA.

However, the cynic in me does suggest that the timing of this does nicely coincide with what's going on in the country and a certain parties conference next week.
I smell something fishy here.

Meanwhile, something seems to have leaked from the Cabinet courtesy of the FT Comments section, a poster called Sent in my Retirement.
Quote:
At cabinet meeting: :D

"...So how can we assert Britain's dominance and fool people into believing we mean anything to the rest of the world? Oh and also something to distract the people from our failings to provide basic services like fuel, heating and food would be nice. Is that still happening by the way?"

Truss: I've heard an amazonian tribe is looking for a trade deal.

Gove: a union with Scotland?

Rishi: Boris, did you have a chance to look at that red box I left on your desk? there's some pretty grim foreca-

Priti: Phony war with France?

Boris: Ms. Patel you've got it! It achieves absolutely nothing at all, diminishes our standing on the world stage and embarrasses the nation's few remaining reasonably minded citizens. That's exactly what this government stands for. The base will love it. Call the Times, the Telegraph and the Sun - we've got a headline.
https://www.ft.com/content/22f5d2f6-...a-8b8073cca1a6

TheDaddy 01-10-2021 11:36
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Just seen on the hospital news ticker that farmers are reporting killing their piglets due to a lack of abattoir staff, this is how sovereign nations exert their independence is it, by relying on other nations for their food, looks like that barmey kipper economist Patrick Minford (iirc) might have finally got something right sadly

Carth 01-10-2021 12:09
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36095347)
Just seen on the hospital news ticker that farmers are reporting killing their piglets due to a lack of abattoir staff, this is how sovereign nations exert their independence is it, by relying on other nations for their food, looks like that barmey kipper economist Patrick Minford (iirc) might have finally got something right sadly
They've jumped the gun, we're still on chickens, turkeys and petrol ;)


I read somewhere there's only 85 days left until Christmas . . if the public get hold of that there will be a panic hoarding of days and we'll be back to a 4 day week before you know it :D

TheDaddy 01-10-2021 12:24
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36095354)
They've jumped the gun, we're still on chickens, turkeys and petrol ;)


I read somewhere there's only 85 days left until Christmas . . if the public get hold of that there will be a panic hoarding of days and we'll be back to a 4 day week before you know it :D
And people say labour will drag us back to the seventies, I would welcome it actually, three days a week off and great hair, can't wait to see some berk panic buying hog roasts as well

Mick 01-10-2021 14:09
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36095354)
They've jumped the gun, we're still on chickens, turkeys and petrol ;)
It's amazing isn't it the coordinated buzzword for the moment is "shortage".

Damien 01-10-2021 14:18
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
I think it's because there is a shortage of things.

1andrew1 01-10-2021 14:30
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Is this a trick question? :confused:

jfman 01-10-2021 14:32
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“There is adequate food.”

heero_yuy 01-10-2021 14:45
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There's only a shortage if people change their buying habits. Its a consequence of "just in time" stocking and a supply chain geared to a known level of demand.

MSM only has to mention it and the muppets will make it so.:dozey:

jfman 01-10-2021 14:49
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36095373)
There's only a shortage if people change their buying habits. Its a consequence of "just in time" stocking and a supply chain geared to a known level of demand.

MSM only has to mention it and the muppets will make it so.:dozey:
There were clearly shortages that predate this, but rationally every individual is out for themselves so buying extra fuel or food is entirely prudent if supply chains are unable to adapt.

TheDaddy 01-10-2021 14:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36095373)
There's only a shortage if people change their buying habits. Its a consequence of "just in time" stocking and a supply chain geared to a known level of demand.

MSM only has to mention it and the muppets will make it so.:dozey:
Hope the MSM catch on to the hog roast shortage, all those little pigs not turning into one big pig is bound to cause a problem

1andrew1 01-10-2021 15:09
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36095368)
I think it's because there is a shortage of things.
One I saw on Twitter :D
Quote:
There are no shortages and we've always been at war with Eastasia.

Damien 01-10-2021 16:35
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36095373)
There's only a shortage if people change their buying habits. Its a consequence of "just in time" stocking and a supply chain geared to a known level of demand.

MSM only has to mention it and the muppets will make it so.:dozey:
There are shortages due to the lack of drivers, you can see this on some supermarket shelves, the panic buying is making it a lot worse but it's the sole cause of it.

Chris 01-10-2021 16:42
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I can’t wait to hear how Brexit’s to blame for this.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1633099313

jonbxx 01-10-2021 16:48
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095394)
I can’t wait to hear how Brexit’s to blame for this.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1633099313
This one is due to a strike at Kuehne+Nagel which is hitting the Carrefour supply chain in Belgium so no, definitely not due to Brexit.

Link - https://www.retaildetail.eu/en/news/...bution-centres

Mick 01-10-2021 18:03
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36095368)
I think it's because there is a shortage of things.
I have not seen any shortage of anything in my supermarket, all shelves look stocked - the only shortage is fuel and that is down to panic buying and stupidity.

What Brexit has highlighted is that is was a massive mistake to ever join a corrupted EU or the EEA as it was known initially, we came too reliant on foreigners to do the jobs, us British citizens should be doing, driving down wages, not making the job conditions adequate enough - Businesses looking to cut costs by having cheap Labour. HGV crisis began way before Brexit and not just in the UK.

papa smurf 01-10-2021 18:28
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095394)
I can’t wait to hear how Brexit’s to blame for this.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1633099313
Ah the British food section is empty -bloody brexit.:)

Damien 01-10-2021 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36095419)
I have not seen any shortage of anything in my supermarket, all shelves look stocked - the only shortage is fuel and that is down to panic buying and stupidity.

What Brexit has highlighted is that is was a massive mistake to ever join a corrupted EU or the EEA as it was known initially, we came too reliant on foreigners to do the jobs, us British citizens should be doing, driving down wages, not making the job conditions adequate enough - Businesses looking to cut costs by having cheap Labour. HGV crisis began way before Brexit and not just in the UK.
I've seen shortages of items I used to buy.

I don't really know or care if it's Brexit. At this point even if it was the blame would lie on the Government for not preparing. I am just saying there are shortages.

TheDaddy 01-10-2021 20:41
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36095419)
I have not seen any shortage of anything in my supermarket, all shelves look stocked - the only shortage is fuel and that is down to panic buying and stupidity.

What Brexit has highlighted is that is was a massive mistake to ever join a corrupted EU or the EEA as it was known initially, we came too reliant on foreigners to do the jobs, us British citizens should be doing, driving down wages, not making the job conditions adequate enough - Businesses looking to cut costs by having cheap Labour. HGV crisis began way before Brexit and not just in the UK.
Why should we be doing them? Especially as there isn't even enough of us to fill the vacancies but other than that why should we be doing those jobs

Carth 01-10-2021 20:49
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36095447)
Why should we be doing them? Especially as there isn't even enough of us to fill the vacancies but other than that why should we be doing those jobs
Well, in quite a few countries it would mean you and your family didn't starve to death, however things are more give grab and take here ;)

TheDaddy 01-10-2021 20:57
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36095449)
Well, in quite a few countries it would mean you and your family didn't starve to death, however things are more give grab and take here ;)
It's not true though, we had as close as is healthy to 100% employment, if there isn't the churn of say 500k looking for and getting new jobs the economy stagnates and whilst there is 100k of so who are literally a waste of space and unemployable they're not going to fill the gap anyway so why should we have to be taking these jobs, I liked the fact we aimed higher and set higher aspirations for our children, you're happy in the slaughter house good luck to you but most wouldn't be and still won't fill those jobs so guess what, those jobs won't be there anymore and neither will the business that offered them

Mad Max 01-10-2021 21:04
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36095449)
Well, in quite a few countries it would mean you and your family didn't starve to death, however things are more give grab and take here ;)
Spot on there, too many lazy sods sitting on their arses being supported by benefits.

Carth 01-10-2021 21:05
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36095451)
It's not true though, we had as close as is healthy to 100% employment, if there isn't the churn of say 500k looking for and getting new jobs the economy stagnates and whilst there is 100k of so who are literally a waste of space and unemployable they're not going to fill the gap anyway so why should we have to be taking these jobs, I liked the fact we aimed higher and set higher aspirations for our children, you're happy in the slaughter house good luck to you but most wouldn't be and still won't fill those jobs so guess what, those jobs won't be there anymore and neither will the business that offered them
Yes, in a way I see your point . . . isn't this where automation plays its part, or aren't those jobs worth the money required to automate them?

OLD BOY 01-10-2021 21:21
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36095447)
Why should we be doing them? Especially as there isn't even enough of us to fill the vacancies but other than that why should we be doing those jobs
Er, because these are jobs British people are capable of doing. They should not have been done by Europeans, they should always have been done by our own people. That’s one of the main complaints Brexiteers were making. Europeans were undercutting us - driving down wages and taking their jobs.

This should all rectify itself once people emerge from the testing and training process, which was suspended during Covid and has only recently re-started. This will take some weeks to start turning things around.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36095451)
It's not true though, we had as close as is healthy to 100% employment, if there isn't the churn of say 500k looking for and getting new jobs the economy stagnates and whilst there is 100k of so who are literally a waste of space and unemployable they're not going to fill the gap anyway so why should we have to be taking these jobs, I liked the fact we aimed higher and set higher aspirations for our children, you're happy in the slaughter house good luck to you but most wouldn't be and still won't fill those jobs so guess what, those jobs won't be there anymore and neither will the business that offered them
There were plenty of people languishing on benefits pre-Covid. We should only pay benefits to those who are genuinely unable to work.

1andrew1 01-10-2021 22:26
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36095455)
Yes, in a way I see your point . . . isn't this where automation plays its part, or aren't those jobs worth the money required to automate them?
Agreed that automation definitely has its part to play but a lot of these jobs can't be automated.

TheDaddy 02-10-2021 04:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36095456)
Er, because these are jobs British people are capable of doing. They should not have been done by Europeans, they should always have been done by our own people. That’s one of the main complaints Brexiteers were making. Europeans were undercutting us - driving down wages and taking their jobs.

This should all rectify itself once people emerge from the testing and training process, which was suspended during Covid and has only recently re-started. This will take some weeks to start turning things around.
Wow, this is the exact reason why remoaners say things like leavers don't know what they're talking about, what testing and training are required to pick an apple of a tree or carry a carcass and they were saying it about bricklaying and tradesmen jobs rather than the fruit farm or abattoirs, warehouses had sorted themselves out by the time of the vote in my experience


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There were plenty of people languishing on benefits pre-Covid. We should only pay benefits to those who are genuinely unable to work.
Not enough to fill the vacancies there weren't and why are we filling them with the dregs and workshy and guess what there still aren't enough so those perfectly good businesses will eventually close just because they can't get anyone to work in them

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36095455)
Yes, in a way I see your point . . . isn't this where automation plays its part, or aren't those jobs worth the money required to automate them?
Wouldn't have thought all of them can accommodate automation, some of the low level crop stuff might survive I guess

Carth 02-10-2021 11:35
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So . . the current state of affairs is thus:

We have nobody that can kill & process animals from farms.
We have nobody to pick & process vegetables from fields.
The few places that can accomplish the above, can't move the finished product due to no HGV drivers.
Product that does miraculously reach a supermarket cannot be home delivered due to a shortage of fuel.
If people do eventually get food home, they then find the gas/electricity cost of cooking a meal is far too expensive.

all the fault of Brexit apparently :shrug:

Chris 02-10-2021 11:41
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
… and yet if you actually go out to a supermarket you’ll find fruit and meat on the shelves and fuel in the forecourt. It’s almost as if a few localised problems are being blown up into apparent crises to serve some agenda or other. I can’t imagine what that would be.

1andrew1 02-10-2021 11:50
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095517)
… and yet if you actually go out to a supermarket you’ll find fruit and meat on the shelves and fuel in the forecourt. It’s almost as if a few localised problems are being blown up into apparent crises to serve some agenda or other. I can’t imagine what that would be.
See the petrol map - availability differs across the country and for those outside London/South East/East Anglia fuel availability has improved. But that still leaves a chunk of the population including the capital where it hasn't.
https://news.sky.com/story/fuel-cris...ntrol-12422907

In terms of food shortages, you may be blessed in this area too. No one's saying the shelves are barren but there definitely have been basic things that supermarkets have run out of which I routinely buy which I've had to visit a second supermarket for.

Carth 02-10-2021 12:01
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Differences in supermarkets could be down to who supplies/employs the HGV drivers.
Are they supermarket direct employees, agency, 3rd party . . ?

OLD BOY 02-10-2021 12:05
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36095502)
Wow, this is the exact reason why remoaners say things like leavers don't know what they're talking about, what testing and training are required to pick an apple of a tree or carry a carcass and they were saying it about bricklaying and tradesmen jobs rather than the fruit farm or abattoirs, warehouses had sorted themselves out by the time of the vote in my experience




Not enough to fill the vacancies there weren't and why are we filling them with the dregs and workshy and guess what there still aren't enough so those perfectly good businesses will eventually close just because they can't get anyone to work in them[COLOR="Silver"]
The people were there, but they preferred to stay at home on benefits.

Cut off benefits to those who won't work and see what happens.

TheDaddy 02-10-2021 15:28
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095517)
… and yet if you actually go out to a supermarket you’ll find fruit and meat on the shelves and fuel in the forecourt. It’s almost as if a few localised problems are being blown up into apparent crises to serve some agenda or other. I can’t imagine what that would be.
See how much of it is made in Britain in a year and how expensive it is compared to the foreign stuff, we'll soon find out how patriotic we really are when it comes to cold hard cash

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36095523)
The people were there, but they preferred to stay at home on benefits.

Cut off benefits to those who won't work and see what happens.
But they weren't there, if you're talking about the 100k or so long term unemployed then there's not enough of them and most of them are unemployable and yet they're the answer to feeding the nation, they can't be trusted to turn up fit for work and on time two nights running but that's okay we'll put them in charge of the nations food and whilst we are at it, most meat processing plants abattoirs and orchards are out of town, how are these feckless wretches supposed to get there

1andrew1 02-10-2021 15:36
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36095532)
See how much of it is made in Britain in a year and how expensive it is compared to the foreign stuff, we'll soon find out how patriotic we really are when it comes to cold hard cash
Turkey production in the UK has been slashed by 20% this year. For the first time in 15 years, supermarkets will be turning to the EU to fill the gap. France and Poland are cited as the suppliers according to Paul Kelly at KellyBronze, a free range turkey farm.

mrmistoffelees 02-10-2021 16:44
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36095533)
Turkey production in the UK has been slashed by 20% this year. For the first time in 15 years, supermarkets will be turning to the EU to fill the gap. France and Poland are cited as the suppliers according to Paul Kelly at KellyBronze, a free range turkey farm.
Bloody turkeys, coming over here and taking over our dinners…..

tweetiepooh 04-10-2021 15:17
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Why have turkey? Get a goose, duck, game birds, capon, etc.

OLD BOY 04-10-2021 15:26
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
We’re getting our turkey from the local farm shop. Locally raised, and not a trace of horse.

I’m not buying EU stuff now if I can avoid it. I hope this government finds alternative countries to do business with in place of the EU. They are treating us so badly, we shouldn’t be giving them our business.

jfman 04-10-2021 15:49
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36095777)
We’re getting our turkey from the local farm shop. Locally raised, and not a trace of horse.

I’m not buying EU stuff now if I can avoid it. I hope this government finds alternative countries to do business with in place of the EU. They are treating us so badly, we shouldn’t be giving them our business.
They are treating us badly?

This is entirely self inflicted. At least now the politicians are admitting supply chain problems so their acolytes in the press and on social media don’t have to pretend there aren’t any.

If only this could have been foreseen.

Hugh 04-10-2021 16:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36095777)
We’re getting our turkey from the local farm shop. Locally raised, and not a trace of horse.

I’m not buying EU stuff now if I can avoid it. I hope this government finds alternative countries to do business with in place of the EU. They are treating us so badly, we shouldn’t be giving them our business.
We shouldn’t sell stuff to them either - that’ll teach them!

Chris 04-10-2021 16:23
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36095780)
They are treating us badly?

This is entirely self inflicted. At least now the politicians are admitting supply chain problems so their acolytes in the press and on social media don’t have to pretend there aren’t any.

If only this could have been foreseen.
Supply chain integrated with the EU …
We leave the EU …
Supply chain must be disentangled from the EU.

That’s a fairly uncontroversial, straightforward thought process and one which was helpfully banged on about by the Remain campaign throughout the referendum. And yet, judging that the end result would be worth the effort, the majority voted for it anyway.

This isn’t the end result of Brexit. This is the process of getting Brexit done. And every missed truckload only further underlines our strategic weakness within the EU.

jfman 04-10-2021 16:36
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095784)
Supply chain integrated with the EU …
We leave the EU …
Supply chain must be disentangled from the EU.

That’s a fairly uncontroversial, straightforward thought process and one which was helpfully banged on about by the Remain campaign throughout the referendum. And yet, judging that the end result would be worth the effort, the majority voted for it anyway.

This isn’t the end result of Brexit. This is the process of getting Brexit done. And every missed truckload only further underlines our strategic weakness within the EU.
Nobody said it was a controversial thought process. It’s the fact it’s so blatantly obvious is why some sort of mitigation strategy could (or should) have been in place.

I do however think it’s quite a leap to say that every missed truckload shows our own strategic weakness anywhere other than here.

Getting Brexit Done is a lovely phrase. Captures the attention of those with a low attention span just enough to appear to have superficial meaning. However it glosses over the fact that when you scratch beneath the surface there is no plan other than to shrug shoulders and blame the private sector/public at large.

Dare I ask at what point would the Government become accountable? After the 50 years Rees-Mogg speculated it could take for the UK to be better off?

1andrew1 04-10-2021 17:04
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095784)
Supply chain integrated with the EU …
We leave the EU …
Supply chain must be disentangled from the EU.

That’s a fairly uncontroversial, straightforward thought process and one which was helpfully banged on about by the Remain campaign throughout the referendum. And yet, judging that the end result would be worth the effort, the majority voted for it anyway.

This isn’t the end result of Brexit. This is the process of getting Brexit done. And every missed truckload only further underlines our strategic weakness within the EU.
Quite the opposite seems to be happening. UK agricultural sector downsized, existing UK supply chains phased out in favour of EU suppliers.

Chris 04-10-2021 17:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36095786)
Quite the opposite seems to be happening. UK agricultural sector downsized, existing UK supply chains phased out in favour of EU suppliers.
But have you not previously warned that Brexit would prevent us getting stuff from EU suppliers? Make up your mind …

1andrew1 04-10-2021 17:27
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36095787)
But have you not previously warned that Brexit would prevent us getting stuff from EU suppliers? Make up your mind …
I don't recall every post on the subject, but it's likely that someone warned it would be harder.


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