Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Completely agree.

I don't what to end up in a situation where to maintain access to the same range of content that we get now from a single Virgin TV package, we end up having to subscribe to multiple different streaming services.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

^What they said^

Been saying the same for ages.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Exactly - people in limited income will bin pay to, go to the pub to watch footie etc nursing a single drink.

A case of suppliers getting too greedy.

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I really do think that Virgin, Sky and BT will offer bundles of streaming services rather than scheduled linear channels in the future, so your fears should prove unwarranted.

As I said earlier, more streaming services means more choice. You don't have to take them all if you have to pay a subscription.

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If you are on a limited income, you might not be able to afford Netflix, but you might just stretch to Starz, which is half the price and appears to offer a good range of content.

I think it is sports that give the most cause for concern, but maybe a major disrupter such as Amazon may force change for the better.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

You will still be saying this when l have gone the way of the dodo OB.;)

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Not a chance IMO.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

If you are on a limited income the standout product in the market is Now TV, which with vouchers/offers can average £4 a month.

I currently pay for Virgin’s top package, Netflix, Amazon and Now TV for products that undiscounted total something in the region of £150 a month.

I don’t see how every provider spinning off their own products from the existing bundles will reduce what I pay, and I don’t see how it benefits anyone at the bottom end of the market either.

The reason to introduce these services is because they want a bigger slice of the pie than Sky/Virgin currently share.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

But you are not taking account of the bundling option, which is the current basis on which Sky, Virgin and BT operate.

Why do you think that something similar won't happen with streaming services?

The point about the 'bottom end' customers is not adequately explained. Currently, subscribers have the choice between Amazon, Netflix and Now TV. Then comes along Starz, offering an option for £4.99. How is that not good news for the less well off?

The mistake you and others are making is the assumption that we will have to subscribe to all streaming services. That is not the case. Nor is it the case that we will continue to pay for our current pay-tv scheduled channels that will go the way of the do-do before too long.

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Negative as usual, Den! The incredible 'no' man! :D

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

l would call it being realistic OB as l find that works far better then being over optimistic and unrealistic in a great many things in life.;)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

It’s not a mistake to assume to maintain my present amount of content that I’m going to need access to further services if Disney, Viacom or any others “go it alone”. It may only be £5, but if I’m having to fork out a number of them that’s a significant amount.

To be honest I think if you are in the market for under £5 pay-tv then maybe it’s not one you should be in, and the interests of those small numbers are far outweighed by the millions already in the market and paying through the nose.

Your mistake is assuming this is about delivery, it’s not it’s about money. These companies aren’t opening lucrative new markets in the potential customer base at less than £5 a month.

If it was about delivery methods then Sky and Virgin are already well placed to stream for them. It’s about gaining control of the end to end product and selling directly to the high end of the market. Which is me.

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Are you factoring in the fact that you will no longer be paying for the scheduled pay-tv services? I don't think you are.

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That would be commendable, Den, if you were, in fact being realistic.

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I am factoring the saving in however it’d be absolutely minuscule. Sky/Virgin pay third parties pennies per subscriber per month (my “savings”) based on the fact they deliver a combined 13 million households.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Would you not be saving in the order of £60 on the Full House package? Netflix, Prime, Now TV and Starz does not come to that.

Make a true assessment and let us know what you think. Don't include sport, which s a different kettle of fish and a separate debate.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I have given my true assessment of the situation at length already.

Saying to not include sport, or presumably telephone and broadband costs, is to skew the results.

I could hack my neighbours WiFi and just stream everything illegally costing £0. It’s equally as unviable by comparison.

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Broadband and calls to pay for too. So, whether the internet comes in via VM's cables, fibre service, 5G etc, it still has to be paid for. But, will everyone need to pay for all the main streamers every month?

If we take how CBS handled Star Trek Discovery with a new episode put out every week, that's a pain in the arse. If if all new shows are handled the same, it would be very expensive to gain access to all new content, but I am hoping that some streamers won't do that, especially Netflix.

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Well, I think it is important to separate sport because at present, too much is up in the air. Currently, most people seem to think that accessing sport is going to get a whole lot more expensive, but the opposite may hapen.

The position on dramas is more predictable, which is why I posed the question as I did.

I am not yet clear why you think that non-sport streaming will be more expensive when it is no longer necessary to factor in the existing pay-tv channels. You have not actually explained this.

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Perhaps a reminder as to why we have all these channels to begin with, and with most things, it stems from what happened in America in the 80's.

The media cos wanted to make as much money out of their shows as possible, hence the term syndication. So, by creating all the cable channels, it gave them places to put their older shows on. But as the channels started to grow in popularity, it cannibalised the viewing figures for the big networks, especially when new shows were put on the cable channels to keep interest in them.

As, I've said it before in other threads, I see all this as going full circle. Streaming services will now take the place of the multitude of cable/satellite channels and possibly leave a small core of broadcast channels left which may ultimately become stronger again.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I can't see the scheduled broadcast channels surviving at all in the end, particularly as the non-advertising BBC is planning to go on demand in the decade following the next licence fee negotiations.

The commercial stations will not be able to survive the migration of their audience to streaming services. Tbere will not be sufficient advertising revenue to support them.

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I just worry that our media will be dominated by American tech giants who ultimately don't have out interests at heart.

Without turning this into a major discussion about the license fee, but if the BBC were privatised and ITV and Ch4 allowed to merge, then if we're lucky, we might just have two British broadcasters with enough weight and resources behind them to compete against the Americans. But with Netflix spending several billion dollars a year on content, it will be a hard task for anyone to catch them.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I have.

The channels that provide third party content that Sky and Virgin deliver costs pennies per subscriber per month absorbed across a huge customer base.

Once that goes the money will come from multiple, smaller subscriber bases paying higher amounts. If you choose to take multiple services (to maintain an equivalent service to now) that’ll easily add up to more than XL TV.

The fact that Sky, BT and Virgin will be the major internet providers regardless, you’ll find them turning to there to drive profits.

To pluck a figure out of fresh air a bundle of channels getting 30p per subscriber per month from Sky/Virgin is looking at a figure of £46.8m per year hard cash. Plus will command advertising revenue.

To make that from a standalone at £5 a month you’d need 800 000 subscribers ignoring all your other costs - VAT, subscriber management, servers, bandwidth. The BARB figures don’t support that the existing third parties are likely to achieve that.

In reality I won’t save many 30 pences, but will be asked to pay multiple £5s (or higher) to maintain my current level of content.

Sky, Virgin and BT will still have shareholders to serve, so expect broadband prices to rise as well to cover their profits.

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Possibly, take a look here:

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/ste...om-1202876000/

Pay tv and streaming services have roughly the same amount of subscribers at 15m each in Britain.

What that article shows is that while most of those streaming subscribers also have a pay tv service, a third of them have cancelled their premium pay tv service.

If Sky, BT and VM are allowed to bundle and integrate streamers into their pay tv services, that should offset the losses from the decline of channel bundles and keep costs down - hopefully!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Wow! I think that the likes of BT and Virgin Media will appreciate the better value that they will be able to offer by way of packaging streaming services.

I am not sure whether Sky will actually welcome it, but I think they get the drift.

I think that you are concentrating too heavily on downsides and not properly considering the upsides!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I wouldn't be optimistic that the market for streaming services will sustain a number of providers on top of those that are already there.

There has to come a maximum, and whether there's enough space for everyone to make profits at the level they currently do I'd say is questionable.

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I'm still yet to see the benefits.

People who can't afford a Now TV subscription might be able to buy a separate inferior service just to qualify as having pay-tv?

I'm 100% certain if I had to pay separate subscriptions to see the content I do now from Sky, Viacom, Disney, etc. There wouldn't be massive injections of cash into the market from people who don't currently subscribe to pay-tv. They'd all be fighting for the same small pot outside the existing subscriber bases.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Er, let's look at this again!

Are you seriously suggesting that a subscription to Now TV is more expensive than to Sky satellite or Virgin Media?

I'm sorry, but I just do not understand your logic!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I don’t understand yours. And no, I clearly wasn’t saying that.

I’ll put it as simply as I can.

13 million people pay £24 into a pot, which gets unevenly distributed among third parties, after covering some platform and equipment costs. For that everyone gets almost everything.

TV companies decide they don’t like their share of the pot and so launch their own separate platforms at £6 each.

Now to achieve the previous total pot value they need 52 million individual subscriptions. I don’t believe that market exists unless some households take four (or more) subscriptions and this group will be worse off by paying the same (or more) for less content.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I guess it depends what model you use. One thing you cannot deny is, from the punter's point of view, if you cannot afford a Sky satellite subscription, Now TV will look quire attractive.

In the future, people will be able to subscribe to the streaming services they want. You can ignore the fact that people will see the attraction of that if you like, but you will be proved wrong.

Streaming is the future, like it or not.

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If the six Hollywood companies currently share the proceeds of the £24 pot, which makes it they get £4 each, if spread evenly, why do the companies need 52 million subscribers? They need 13m people paying £4 each, for their own streamers to achieve the same as before.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Each individually yes.

For all of them to make the same that requires more subscriptions, and households taking multiple subscriptions. I don’t believe that market exists at the level required to achieve the current pot value.

That said, each of the six companies (keeping with the hypothetical numbers for ease) believes it can command a greater share and/or force competitors out of the market altogether they’ll rationally see this is a good thing however to a consumer this is less content and less choice. You predicted above a small core of broadcast services I’d go further and predict a small core of subscription services as opposed to a vast array of choice and competition.

I’ll address one point by Old Boy above before leaving this aside (I’m sure we’d all agree that the conversation is circular, looking at it from different points of view that aren’t likely to reconcile).

I’m quite sure streaming services will be the future as global content providers vertically integrate end to end distribution, that’s not what I’ve ever questioned, I’m saying that most people will be worse off for it if they want to maintain an equivalent service to they get now.

If it was about method of delivery they could work with Sky/Virgin/BT but it isn’t- it’s about driving profits upwards. That comes from the customer base.

If you think there’s tens of millions of potential subscribers outside the pay-tv market desperate to jump in at sub £8 a month then fine. If Virgin stripped TV XL out my package I’d save something like £23 a month and to maintain my current viewing I’d have to get BT Sport at a higher monthly cost. If you think that wouldn’t be the same with a £5 provider here, an £8 provider there and it wouldn’t suddenly add up to more for the vast majority then we just fundamentally disagree about the market as a whole.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Well, since Netflix and Amazon became available, we have far more choice than before, and my perception is that traditional TV channels have less good content these days.You appear to think that people will not go for multiple subscriptions in a big way, but they already do! I know so many people now who have Netflix and Amazon, and I would wager that many CF members also have Now TV.

If the traditional channels were no longer there, subscribers would have more money available to throw at other streaming services. The 'Full House' of the future will probably be a package of streaming services rather than tv channels and we will be paying out roughly the same.

Of course, everyone is different and they will make different choices. Some will decide to subscribe only to one service and change over to another later in the year. People like me would subscribe to all the services providing a lot of good dramas, documentaries.and wildlife programmes. I would see myself in the future as subscribing to Starz, Discovery and HBO in addition to what I have now, which would be cheaper than now. I wouldn't bother with Disney if it was all kids stuff as there won't be any children in my house, but I would be interested in other programmes if they are made available on that service.

So I do believe that multiple subscriptions will be the norm in future, although many of us may well be paying one operator such as Sky, Virgin or BT, to get them all.

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Only interested in sports, which are too expensive anyway (particularly as you are forced to take ordinary channels, some of which are available on free view, as a base before adding sports channels)

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Now TV already permits you to subscribe to their sports package without having to take other channels. As streaming becomes the norm, I think people will be able to fine tune their viewing so that if they don't want certain types of programme such as dramas or reality tv, then they won't need to subscribe to them.

I resent having to pay for scores of channels I will never watch because I have no interest in them. What a waste of my money that is.

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Spot on.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Now TV doesn't have the facility to record?

If that is indeed the case it is of absolutely no use to me at all - I time shift virtually everything I watch sometimes by 15-20 mins (so I don't have to wait for the 2nd half) sometimes by days or even weeks as I am then free to watch a recorded programme.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I'm not following you here. What do you mean when you say "For all of them to make the same that requires more subscriptions"?

If the Hollywood companies each have a share of that £24 pot as presently, whether evenly distributed or not, they only get a share of that £24, not all of it each. So, if the £24 channel bundle were eliminated, the companies still only need the same amount of direct subscribers to make up the numbers, which is a share of £24, not all of it.

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No, it doesn't but the programmes are held on demand. However, I do not have the sports pack, so that may be different.

Things may change when Sky goes IPTV.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I don't know but I seriously doubt any sports are included in the on demand section of Now TV - certainly aren't in the on demand section on virgin

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I think maybe jfman is making too many assumptions. There are many possibilities and who knows how this will all end. However, I think there will be at least half a dozen major streaming services available to us in the next few years, once superfast broadband has been rolled out all over the country.

You've only got to look at what's happening in the US to realise we have a way to go yet before we catch up with them!

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The market as a whole would need to sell far more than 13m subscriptions in total to match the combined revenue levels, and would rely on most subscribers taking a number of the options available negating any “savings” made for the end user.

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Yes let's look at those US Services

Sling TV - Owner Dish Network
DirecTV Now - Owner DirecTV (ATT)
Xfinity Instant TV Owner Comcast
PlayStation Vue Owner Sony
Hulu Owner Numerous Movie Studios

All of which have traditional TV services or supply the content.

Won't be long before the price of these services is getting up near that of more traditional pay TV.

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No it wouldn't.

Ok, pretend the Sky £24 channel bundle is distributed as follows:

Disney gets £6 per subscriber - multiplied by 13m subscribers is £78000000
AT&T gets £6 per subscriber - multiplied by 13m subscribers is £78000000
Viacom/CBS gets £4 per subscriber - multiplied by 13m subscribers is £52000000
Comcast gets £4 per subscriber - multiplied by 13m subscribers is £52000000
Fox gets £2 per subscriber - multiplied by 13m subscribers is £26000000
Sony gets £2 per subscriber - multiplied by 13m subscribers is £26000000

Now, if the Hollywood companies stop receiving a share of that £24 channel bundle and the bundle is eliminated and they all launch DTC streamers at the same price as before, the figures don't change.

So, a Disney streamer costing £6 per month, only needs the same 13m subscribers to get the same dosh, the £78000000. But what I think you are saying, is that the companies will likely charge more for their streamers, than what they currently share between them from channel bundles, thus increasing the cost to consumers. Is that a fair summing up of your position?

They don't need 52 million subscribers, so i don't know where you're getting that from. For Sony to still get the same revenue as before, the £26000000, and charging £10 per month for its streamer, it only needs 2,600,000 subscribers not 13m.

What is the unknown and going back to Old Boy's remarks about the £60 Full House bundle, is, if each of those six streamers each charge £10 per month for their streamers and you add on the cost of the broadband and sports too (for those that want to pay for it)on top of that, how many would subscribe?

I don't know the answer to that and neither do the Hollywood companies, hence their anxiousness about streaming. At the moment, they are guaranteed a share of the channel bundle pot, in a DTC streaming world, they've got to go out and get their own punters for their services. No guarantees at all.

We do not know how many streamers there will be and don't forget our British services too, or at what cost they will. Until the consolidation in the States is finished among the media/telecom/tech cos, there are too many unknowns at the moment.

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You’ve sold 78 million subscriptions in the example above.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

A Disney streamer will cost more then £6 per month in my opinion as they will class themselves as a premium exclusive streamer..

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

And I also wouldn't envisage Disney selling anywhere near 13 million subscriptions in the UK.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Not a hope in hell l would say MM.

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None of them would, which is where the pricing point will end up much higher and number of subscribers much lower. Those who do subscribe will have to make up for lost advertising revenue, and to top it all off your ISP will have to invest more money in infrastructure and pass that cost onto you for entry into this streaming utopia.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

But taken by the same 13m people. They each take the six streamers each.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Except that you ignore other options available. For example, you could have a free or reduced price advertising option. They can still agree arrangements to allow free-to view channels to show specific series or films. Plenty of money making arrangements that can be explored.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

It’s a big ask to get a 600% take up rate.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Families with children will be tempted to subscribe, Den! I suspect they will have an adult option as well, so that will add to the numbers.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

None of this is quantifiable, and certainly non-exclusive arrangements don’t point towards millions of subscribers wanting to pay for your “must have” content.

It’s far more likely they’ll just raise prices among the customers most likely to take the service - who happen to be the ones who benefit most from the current arrangements.

If it was simply about streaming they’d work with current providers. It’s about control and ultimately profits.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

And if you think that is going to get them 13 million UK subscribers then l am not sure what planet you are on as they will be lucky to get half a million subscribers at a tenner each.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I think maybe you underestimate the popularity of Disney, Den.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I think you are massively overestimating it. 50% of UK households taking a standalone subscription?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

So why have you tried to quantify it, then, jfman? What I am saying is that there are different ways of generating income, including wholesale deals, which I suspect will be a widespread practice in the new streaming world.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

And l think you vastly overestimate customers and their pockets.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Or receiving it as part of a package?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

But they wouldn’t get the standalone price in a package - they’d get a wholesale price. Almost proving my point there’s little appetite for standalone offerings if they’re relying on existing providers for the vast majority of income/viewers.

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I’ve never said it won’t be widespread practice, just that the idea of everyone being better off paying £6 here and £8 there for a handful of services as opposed to TV XL or Sky Box Sets is flawed.

We get that you object to Virgin paying tiny amounts of your subscription to third parties for channels you don’t watch.

It’s on the face of it a straightforward argument, a win for everyone, only pay for what you watch. However it ignores the power of platforms to drive down prices.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

There will be some who can afford everything and some who can afford nothing, but most of us are somewhere in the middle. So, its all down to what content is available on what streamers at what cost.

If people want to watch the new Star Wars series' and films in the future, they will likely need to take Disney's streamer, as that will be the only place to get that stuff. But, if people simultaneously want the latest Batman films, Harry Potter, James Bond etc and they're all available on separate services, then things get interesting and I agree, there will be a cut off point for most of us.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

People can just as easily buy the DVD/Blu Ray or pay to watch on the likes of Sky Store , Virgin Movies , iTunes etc especially for movies.

I watch very little Disney content so the odd one time movie it would save me to do this.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Indeed, if you only watch the occasional film of this nature, a DVD might be a cheaper solution. But if you like that stuff and watch it regularly, a subscription is cheaper.

Incidentally, I picked up some worrying news in John Lewis recently. They have stopped replacing DVD players and recorders that they have in stock as demand is reducing with digital streaming. So it looks like DVD boxes will be going the way of the VHS recorders before much longer.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Except they haven't stopped selling Blu-Ray players, which can play DVDs. They've even got a Blu-Ray / PVR combi deck, and some 4K options.

So it's more a clever bit of PR from John Lewis and got them in the news because of it.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Thank you - I didn't realise that! Crafty devils.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

If one looks online one can still get DVD/VHS Combo players.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Sky have lost the rights to the Scottish Cup to Premier Sports and the BBC. Premier Sports have taken over as the competitions pay broadcaster after agreeing a 6 year deal starting in January 2019. The BBC remain the free to air broadcaster seeing them broadcasting more live games than ever before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46182485

The deal for the BBC comes hot on the heals of agreeing a 2 year deal to televise 20 Scottish Championship games per year, for 2 years, from next month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tter_share-top

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Total farce, the game in Scotland gets sod all compared to even the lowesr English games...

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

The lower league English clubs don't get that much either as the greatest money-spinner for then is a cup match against the big teams which then gets shown on TV.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

It would seem that Sky are consolidating their Sports rights. Eg only prepared to spend big on the most popular (viewers) sports.
Hopefully this will allow as in this case terrestrial channels to pick up rights.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I doubt it - it gives the other pay channels more options.

Like Premier Sport now having the Scottish Cup.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Don't expect anything on the BBC - Wimbledon apart they don't care about sports

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

BBC have FA Cup and now Scottish FA Cup as well as a lot of others sports ,not sure what you mean.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/46191581

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Indeed.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Media Boy HQ has just been given an new DNP (Do Not Post) order. As of November 13th at 18.55.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

When the likes of Premier Sports, Eleven Sports etc can bid for and win the rights to sports that could be on terrestrial TV then you should be able to see my point.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

a516Digital is tonight reporting that Formula E rights are coming to BBC on BBC Red Button next month.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Any idea when you might be able to post it? Or if it will actually come to fruition?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Why post that................:erm:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Cant reveal any more. But rumours on what may happen may appear online soon.

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Because we want to.:)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Is it a new sporting channel or another new app?.;)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

It's probably Starz! Starts on VM on 29 November. Wholesale deal, maybe?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Not that.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

You better think again OB.;)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Eleven Sports?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

BBC are sharing the Scottish FA Cup with Premier sports ,but will have the rights to more games than before.
The rights Eleven Sports have won ,you could argue , would be of little interest to a terrestrial broadcaster in this Country.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Pointless surely, what does it achieve? If you don't have any solid or real info, then nothing is "coming soon" is it!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

It Solid and real. And we have an idea on when it may launch.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Sounds interesting, MB....hopefully we can hear more soon.

Is it related to Sky UHD content?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Amazon Prime, then! :D

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Well if that happens then l can see OB doing a triple somersault.:D

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Are you thinking just the App itself, or the video subscription bundled into a package?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Unless that included prime delivery it would be pointless to include it as you can’t get delivery on its own

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

If anything with Amazon is agreed, I'm guessing it will probably just be the Prime Video app and users will have to log in using their existing subscription logins.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

BBC 4 is being renamed BBC 4 Christmas !!!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

So what do we think it is, guys? I think the possibilities (apart from Starz which we know is coming later this month), are:

Highly probable

Eleven Sports 1 and 2 (HD)
Love Nature 4K

Possible

Prime
YouTube Premium
Virgin Media UHD On demand
Insight
4K Universe
More UKTV content on demand
ITV Encore On Demand

Maybe

Sky Atlantic (not expected until at least summer 2019)
AMC (not expected until at least summer 2019)
Sky UHD broadcasts (not expected until at least summer 2019)

I do hope we are not just talking about re-named TV channels! Looking forward to Sky New Year!:rolleyes:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I'm still wondering when STV Player and STV HD taking over the 103 slot are happening like the VM press release said.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

See post #4902, Shouldn't be long now :)

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...-channels/p197

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

If that's what MB was referring to - a bit disappointing!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

I would rather watch La Liga than Scottish Cup, as I suspect would 99% of football fans

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Me too and i'm scottish!.Seria a fan rather than la liga.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

99% eh, a bit high imo.....:rolleyes:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
 

Many thanks for that. I don't really watch STV much, I was just expecting change sooner after they announced it.