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And just to be clear, I find the Tommy Robinson’s and this Jayda, who I had never even heard of before today, I find their platform abhorrent. I have said twice now, this is the third time, Trump should not have retweeted a series of video by a far right group. But I do not agree that what the content of the video shows, does not happen. Fair enough with the Dutch boy video, that’s the exception.

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Wonder how he would feel if Theresa May posted videos of the atrocities carried out by US citizens on US citizens? Although he would probably claim they were fake news.

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Don't disagree with any of that.

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He detracts from what has actually happened to people by getting it wrong, if he really cared or is as smart as he claims there's plenty of examples he could've picked to make a statement, we could be discussing what has happened to the Yazidis now and how supportive the president had been highlighting their plight but no it's all about him screwing up yet again and not being able to admit it.

Not sure why anyone would follow Ann coulter anyway, a very unpleasant person and the donald managed to send the tweet criticising Mrs May to the wrong person, you think he'd have got the hang of his Twitter machine by now

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ay-tweet-uk-us

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As would most other Americans who worship 2nd Amendment. Their ‘ideology’, is to defend against guns is to have more guns. The guns issue is also an area, where I vastly disagree with Trumps and the GOP stance on American gun ownership.

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He follows her because she is or was a Republican political commentator, at the very beginning when Trump stated he was running for office, she was asked of all the Republican candidates, who was most likely to succeed to the Presidency, she blurted out ‘Donald Trump’, all the panelist’s and audience laughed at her, she is having the last laugh now.

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Here is a clip of her prediction in June 2015.

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To be fair we've all had plenty of laughs courtesy of the donald and she is still vile even if she did make a decent prediction, think she was right about Hilary and old Bernie to btw

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I think we should all turn Trump's latest ill-advised Tweets into a major diplomatic incident between the US and UK. Who knows, if we do that we might be able to force a general election, further weaken Sterliing and derail Brexit... :rolleyes:

The way some sections of the media are presenting this latest minor exchange between him and the PM, anyone would think that's what they want - mind you think of all the airtime and pages they could fill with it all. Got to feed that insatiable rolling news machine eh...

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Piers Morgan is another one of Trumps twitter followers and even Piers is telling Trump to apologise to May. We will see later if Trumps follower amount drops to 44, if he agrees.

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It's hardly helping that he hit back at May for saying retweeting the British First account was wrong.

If he just deleted it when it was pointed out who the source was that would still have been a story but not one that escalates.

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Meanwhile in Labour's very own version of cloud cuckoo land I've just heard Emily Thornberry on Radio 5 Live, whining on about how Trump's visit should be cancelled and stating that the UK should do business with the US without involving the President.

What planet are these people on? :shrug:

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Amber Rudd has joined with May saying it was 'wrong' and Sajid Javid was even stronger:

https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/statu...91541864255488



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Doing business with the US without Trump is pretty much what the government are trying to do. Congress is largely responsible for any trade deal and Liam Fox is well-connected with the Republican Party.

Keep the details largely hidden from Trump, call it the 'Trump is Great Trade Deal' and hope he doesn't attempt to torpedo it is the best option it seems.

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Yes but Trump has a degree of control of the U.S Military, if the U.S stopped defending us, Russia would think it’s their Christmas come early, not saying this would happen, but all this stop the State visit chatter does not help, we need them more than they need us.

Yes but all these MPs calling him out need to remember, specifically the Labour MPs, their leader supports Hamas, and Iran extremists. Not to mention the Anti-semitism that’s rife within Labour.

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Globalism. Though they may not know it.

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BREAKING: New York Times have reported within the last hour that U.S Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is about to be ousted and replaced by CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/u...peo-trump.html

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. . . all the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't put Trumpy together again

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A good many of them know exactly that but that's not to say the likes of Thornberry isn't a useful fool to some... :D

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If Trump gets the hump with the UK things will get an awful lot harder so insulting him too much and then trying to sideline him doesn't bode well IMHO and would indeed put Labour in a very difficult position were they to be in Govt. and having to live in the real world...

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He seems to get the hump very easily. May offered the mildest most diplomatic reaction to him retweeting Britain First and got into a huff so this seems like an impossible task.

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Very good, you should do stand up :D

Surely our whole Brexit strategy isn't pinned on doing a deal with the Donald ?? If so it's a very risky strategy ! It'll depend how how he feels on the day, whether he won at golf, or somebody has been nasty to him on Twitter....

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I was discussing the videos that Trump had tweeted - if there was confusion, I apologise.

Two out of the three videos Trump re-tweeted did not represent what was stated in their description by Britain First.

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Yahugh, actually.... ;)

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Really, what did he say again? I'm not sure I'd call that a major outburst despite the media and various opposition politicians trying to turn it into one.

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He said

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I know.

So what? She told him what he did was wrong and he replied. Big deal.

He could have said the UK has just gone to the back of the queue for trade deals like that top bloke Obama.

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We are talking about the President and the Prime Minster here. Hardly normal for the President of the United States to slag off the PM via Twitter. But then it isn't normal for the President to retweet Britain First either.

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Yes, that hadn't escaped me but we don't live in normal times - we live in the age of social media and that's changed everything. It's perfectly normal for world leaders to slag each other off (and far worse) the only thing that's different here is the means of delivery. That's where we are now.

By the way I don't call what Trump said 'slagging May off'. He told her to concentrate on UK affairs and not to worry about the US's.

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I think what we can ALL agree on is that this is, one way or another, a totally different kettle of fish U.S President, whether people can stand him or not, he is different and he was technically elected on that premise.

I have said many times, I do not get the hysteria in the media and the constant minute by minute scandals that he has done or not done. Some have been Fake News others are just direct attacks at his communication style.

I fundamentally disagree with his actions over the last few days. But Theresa May does things that pisses me off too, but I would still vote for the party she leads. I am voting for the party, not it's leader.

In terms of the State visit, we are extending the invitation to the President of the United States, he represents the U.S whether people like it or not, he will be in position for next 3 years, or 7 if he is re-elected, if not, if things get serious with the Russian collusion story, if Mueller has something to get Trump with, it may go down a different path, but even impeachment proceedings will take a long time.

Democratic Congressmen have already produced articles of impeachment against Trump, I think Al Green, has submitted his second one in the last few weeks. But other Democrats don't want to entertain the idea as of yet.

Some are screeching 25th Amendment and fitness for office and that he is mentally deranged but to remove him on medical grounds, that is just as complex to invoke.

The Constitution was never written to make removing the President from office, an easy deal given that the Founding Fathers who created it, 4 of them actually became President.

The Mid terms may produce some interesting results, GOP may keep it's current standing or it won't but there is scandals rocking both parties right now, sexual allegations etc.

When Nixon was almost facing certain impeachment back in 1974, he had lost all of his political allies and the support from the people who elected him in to office. Trump still holds a solid support base. So if he is forcibly removed from office, I do not think it will go down well with the people who put him there, who still support him.

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Well he brought her into it. I doubt she was keen for him to drag her into this story but when he retweeted what he did she had to respond. If he had deleted the Tweets she could have had an easy out but he didn't.

I suspect a good amount of Trump supporters do not like his tweets either to be honest. I believe they voted out for him not out of personal admiration but either desperation or a protest against a perceived elite who had forgotten about them.

What some feel for Trump is what others feel for Clinton if that helps.

I don't think the Democrats really want to impeach him. At the moment it probably suits them to keep him place and maybe hope a Republican challenges him the Primary.

The Mid-Terms might not be as dramatic as people expect. It's a friendly set of seats for the Republicans.

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Or say we are doing fine, when more americans are killed by americans than by muslims.

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Yeah the 'we are doing fine' was weird anyway because May never said anything about the United States.

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Are they 'really doing fine' ? Gun massacre every other day, healthcare a shambles, massively divided country :shrug:

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But it seems to be the type of capitalist utopia that some here openly drool over.

Cheers

Dave

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Yes, but we are equally divided here, Mr K, as the brexit vote showed.

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And sadly being led by a narcissistic gold plated ignoramus Mr K.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42192080

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Interestingly Flynn's appearance in court is down as a 'plea agreement'...Speculation that means he be snitching.

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That’s all Meuller is trying to do, lean on these Aides to do deals for anything they can get, to get to Trump. This can only mean, the special Counsel has nothing solid on Trump as of yet.

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Flynn has entered a Plea bargain and is cooperating with Meuller: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/micha...ry?id=50849354

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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/936628560374071296

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-fbi-pleading/

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This is a bigger development even than when Papadopoulos was revealed to have been an informant (and we still don't know what Papadopoulos had collected).

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Flynn has been charged with lying to the FBI, which surmounts to Perjury charges, which is federal crime and comes with a stiff sentence of 5 years. He is said to have lied during a meeting with the Russian Ambassador, after the election, in December 2016, this cannot be connected to any 'collusion' implications, to get Trump elected, if Trump is already elected.

The other thing to note he was a former Obama appointee, in which Obama warned Trump during the transition not to trust Flynn in any government role, but Trump being Trump, obviously ignored this advice.

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I think we all by now know how he reacts. It's no longer a surprise or a big story really.

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The charges don’t relate directly to any alleged collusion. He’s pleaded guilty though and received a deal in return for whatever he has on people higher up than himself.

Might be a while before we find out though. Clearly this investigation has a long way to go.

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:tu: Exactly what I was thinking.

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Just because a person invariably reacts badly to critiques, doesn’t mean it should be ignored.

Ignoring this sort of behaviour legitimises it.

Should we ignore Jeremy Corbyn’s gaffes, just because he always does them?

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I think we would be seeing a weblink to Order-Order just as soon as the story on Corbyn went live. :D
I think it's an important story about the relationship between the heads of the UK and US and on Trump's flaws.

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Latest Trump Tweet, nothing related to Flynn, more to do with Rex Tillerson...

New York Times reported yesterday that Rex Tillerson is about to be Ousted... Trump has just said otherwise...

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I didn't say it should be ignored. I said it was ill advised but not a particularly big deal. May didn't ignore it and he replied as he always does. Nothing surprising there at all and there's no reason to turn it into some sort of major incident which is what certain sections of the media and Westminster would quite like.

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Wouldn't be surprised if Trump created the Tillerson story to distract from the Flynn situation.

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There is nothing to distract.

Meuller has nothing that I can see as of yet and these are very low level charges, with no implication or dirt on Trump.

The meeting Flynn had was in December with the Russian Ambassador, a month after Trump was elected, cannot collude to elect Trump when he was already elected. :dozey:

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It's not Trump Flynn has information on, it's his son in law: Jared Kushner.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/936684102987714560

He's been largely suspected to be the most at risk in this investigation before, as well as Trump Jr.

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The charges are fine, it's the fact he's made a deal that's the problem for Trump (or his team).

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Buzzfeed are running with:

Kushner reportedly directed Flynn to call "every member" of the UN Security Council about an Israeli settlements resolution.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/...RK3#.br6nv63V8

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42205181

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This talk in the BBC link says it will add $1tn to the National Debt, but it was totally fine for President Obama to increase it by about $4tn, in just 2 years in office and prior presidents significantly adding to the debt also, but I guess because it’s Trump, it’s extra bad. Pathetic hypocritical hysteria strikes again. :rolleyes:

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Whether that's true or not, just because one president does something ill-judged doesn't let him off the hook because a previous president did the same thing. That doesn't make sense.

There's also a cyclical nature to economies. So in good times like now, you would expect to start to pay off the national debt and increase it in the downturn like the global financial crisis of 2008.

Congratulations to Trump, though, on his first substantial legislative achievement.

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I think it was noted because the Republican stance during the Election, and as a matter of record, on Debt and Deficit was to reduce them, and their first major piece of legislation will end up increasing both.

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No, it must be a mainstream media conspiracy against Trump. :rolleyes:

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It’s not looking very promising for the Trump Admin, down the road. I’ve read various legal analysis and that Meuller will eventually get Trump on charges of interfering with a Sitting Presidents (Barack Obama) Foreign policy, during the UN vote for Israeli settlements. This is not linked to collusion at all but what Trump May have done when he was President-Elect.

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No way would interfering with Obama’s Israel policy be enough to get Trump IMO

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His childish spoilt child tweets have been so so bad over the last week or so. I am still amazed the man(child) manages to tie his show laces in the morning.

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He's getting his agenda plenty of publicity and it's that which got him elected. He couldn't give a fig what we think about him, he cares what makes him popular there.

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I think he cares very much about what people think about him. I suspect that’s why he reacts so much to criticism and the weird ‘Man of the Year’ thing.

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Also any news that doesn't agree with him or runs a story that he doesn't like becomes 'fake news'

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We saw that from the word go, when he had a hissy fit and sent his press officer out to claim he had the best attended inauguration ever, when this clearly wasn't the case.

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Actually I misread Osems post. He meant UK/USA populations.

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And I still think you're right, he cares who ever is saying something bad about him no matter where they are. Richard Branson said the donald had a revenge list of all the people who had wronged him, anyone else that was said about and I'd think it was a joke but with the donald I'm not so sure, thin skin and massive ego near the most powerful job in the world probably aren't a good idea

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42209758 It’s getting messy...

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Wonder if all this will serve as a warning to those who seem umbilically connected to social media. Sooner or later you're likely going to post something which you come to greatly regret.

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Especially if you’re President of the United States.:erm:

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Well yes, but he's not the only one who's doing this - it's becoming more common and I find it inexplicable. The potential for problems and even disaster seems huge but I say that as someone who refuses to be be part of the social media universe. I can fully understand politicians wanting to get their message across but conducting 'business' and even 'diplomacy' in this ad hoc manner seems truly bizarre.

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Wow! Awks as they say on social media!
With even those Trump advocates on this forum showing signs of buyer's remorse, this is definitely his most challenging time.

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Me remorse ?

No, you missed the point I have raised from the beginning. I’m totally glad it wasn’t her who won and I will always call out hypocrisy, where I see it.

Despite the “deflection” Trump is being accused off, there is still many questions and hidden scandals coming from the DNC and the totally Crooked Hillary, just look at the reports, even coming from Washington Post that there was FBI agents/lawyers who had political motivations for Hillary and stopped short of investigating her properly and also sending Anti-Trump text messages and they are involved in the Russia probe, WTF is the impartiality?

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The agent in question was fired by Muller as soon as an internal investigation found that out to be fair.

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But the agent concerned was a lead investigator in the Clinton FBI Email investigation.

Sure let’s investigate Trump and what happened but it has to be fair and unbiased. We have already had reports of the Tarmac meeting with Bill Clinton and the then Attorney General, Loretta Lynch days before investigation is ended, but wasn’t an investigation according to the AG, it was a “matter”.

Hillary lied under Oath that she did not send/receive classified emails through her private email server, wtf is her charges for lying to Congressional investigators?

Then FBI documents recently released to Judicial Watch under a FOI request, apparently show the FBI wanted to go after the mole who leaked that tarmac meeting to the press, why when all that was said to have been discussed was the grandkids for 40 minutes. ? :rolleyes:

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This is the President of the United States publicly slamming the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the midst of a FBI investigation into his transition team and administration that has already led to 4 prosecutions and 2 plea deals, including two of his senior advisors.

Doesn’t he understand how this looks?

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Evidently not. Or he's calculated that his supporters don't care and will actually add to his fan base...

:shrug:

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Hopefully the penny's starting to drop with his supporters and they like everyone else will appreciate how excrutiating this looks and will themselves stop blaming the media for his incompetence, lies and personal insecurity.

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How many members have a good memory of the way Trump was acting during the Election.
He was extreme;y confident that he would WIN. Each time he was asked the same question ' DO YOU WILL THINK YOU WILL WIN' his answer was 'WE SHALL SEE'

He walk off with his usual smile.

After he won, he sack the FBI director. And now the FBI is getting is getting a battering from Trump.

He has the damn cheek then to try and get at Clinton.

I think that before long, he get collared by the FBI.

There is a billionaire in the States, who wants him impeached. But l think people are scared of him.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ustice-n826231 http://www.historyplace.com/unitedst...ents/nixon.htm http://www.historyplace.com/unitedst...ts/clinton.htm Trump may wish to find a new lawyer...

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I think it is disingenuous of you Hugh, to compare cases of Nixon and or Clinton and claims of Trump so called Obstruction of Justice today.

For a start, the Nixon era, his high crimes were proven, he paid hush money, withheld information, told people to lie. Destroyed evidence. There was a clear case of Obstruction of Justice for President Nixon, what crimes has President Trump committed ?

Answer: None so far that have yet been proven.

The President of the United States has the Constitutional Power to fire the FBI Director and for any reason he deems fit to. He could have fired him for the reason being, it was Tuesday.

He also has the authority to direct the Justice Department who to investigate, who not to investigate.

So in this case, Trump fired Comey and he was thinking of the 'Russia thing' when he made that call. Firing the FBI Director did not derail the Russia investigation, it has proceeded apace under the Director whom Trump appointed to replace Comey.

For Congress to charge President Trump with Obstruction of Justice would cause a Constitutional Crisis because the President has those uncontested powers and there are precedents, because Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt all used the Constitutional Power to give such directives and he cannot be charged for just using his Constitutional Authority, as the Executive Branch grants.

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Well it seems like...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42231806

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And no other court in the US can now overturn that ruling.

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I think they can? I believe the order allows it to go into effect whilst legal challenges continue (rather than being on hold as they were when the initial set of bans came in). I don't think it's a final ruling. Usually those going on for a while and the judgments come with a majority and dissenting opinion too.

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Other huge, bombshell news which is now also being reported in last half hour, even by CNN and that is saying something..

"The FBI agent dismissed from special counsel Robert Mueller's probe changed former FBI Director James Comey’s language describing Hillary Clinton’s actions from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless,”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/04/po...mey0424PMStory

That is significant because being 'grossly negligent' is a potential crime. The toning down of the language being used and by an FBI investigator with a political motivation, is deeply troubling for the FBI Investigation that was conducted under James Comey's watch.

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I may not have been clear - Trump’s lawyer said a President could not be charged with Obstruction of Justice - I pointed out that that was not the case, as two Presidents in recent history had been.

I was not commenting on the validity, or lack of, of any charges that may be raised against Trump.

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"The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all, the Constitution."

All other courts are 'lower' to it.

I think the above reads final.

The justices have said the policy can take full effect despite multiple legal challenges against it that haven’t yet made their way through the judicial system, so it is now pointless these legal challenges contesting it.

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Yes I know but they ruled on if the law can take effect whilst it's going though the courts. Not on the law itself. They're different things.

Not necessarily because whilst the Supreme Court is probably likely to rule in favour of the law itself they haven't yet done so. It will still need to wind it's way though the court system before it ends up at the Supreme Court itself at which point they'll deliver a final judgement.

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http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/12/ju...s/#more-264695

This isn't a final judgement on the law itself, the case hasn't been heard by the Supreme Court. As I said such judgments are a longer, bigger, process.

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I think the lawyer is saying there is not an obstruction of justice case that could be reasonably applied to Trump, at this stage, if all Trump has done is exercise his constitutional authority. i.e he can fire Comey, he can instruct the Justice Dept on what to investigate (or not to). They are not separate branches of government, the FBI and Justice Dept are subordinates to the President, delegated to exercise his power, not their own.

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Despite what Trump says, whether Obama did it or not is irrelevant. If it's bad, it's bad.

That said, I was under the impression that Obama was doing it to try and reduce the impact of the 2008 banking crisis, which could have affected the whole US far more badly than it did, and would have affected both the poor and the wealthy. Surely that is more a more laudable use than reducing taxes for those who are already wealthy?

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I found this on Amazon.

You have been warned :D

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beautiful-P...ds=trump+poems

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BREAKING: President Trump to announce later today the U.S Embassy in Israel, will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Ending the 6 month waiver loophole, that past Presidents have signed to delay the move.

The history: A law that was passed in 1995 under President Bill Clinton’s administration, considers Jerusalem the capital, and even mandates the move of the embassy there. But Bill Clinton, George Bush Jnr and Barack Obama have all each repeatedly used a loophole waiver process, which delays the move every six months. Republicans have called on Trump to finally end this loophole and start the moving process.

The move is likely to cause big rifts within the Middle East, Turkey has already vowed to end diplomatic relations with Israel, if the move went ahead.

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Well Done Donald!

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No need to be sarcastic ! He's doing his best .
;)

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Complete hypocrisy.

Why is it ok for the yanks to support one terrorist state over another.:rolleyes:

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Always been the way, Israel can do no wrong.

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As you know full well, I wasn't being sarcastic.



Because in the Bible, God promised the land of Israel to the Jewish nation.


God never renages on His promises. Christians who truly follow Jesus, are also grafted on to the Jewish vine.

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I think he was.... ;)

Well, since the US Constitution clearly states the separation of Church and State, not sure the relevance putting together actions by the US Government and God's promises...

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The whole premise for this argument has been diluted now after Jesus transformed the water into vine ;)

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Many people believe that America was raised up originally to be a support for Israel. Recent presidents haven't been supportive, espetially Obama, who seemed to hate Israel. They actualy seemed to be supporting a 'New World Order' agenda; One or Both Bushes used that term in speeches.

Trump, on his campaign trail Said very clearly, that he believed in the Soverign state. He said he fully supported Israel, and appeared to be advocating moral behaviour closer to the Biblical standards on several issues. This is why many Christians, who hated Hillary's stance on these issues, saw Trump as the right person to vote for. And that is why arround seventy percent of Evangelical Christians voted for him.


Church and state is not an issue; Trump said what he woud fully support Israel before he was elected.

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Not true (nice try though :))

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Advocating, not acting...

Isn't lying breaking one of the 10 commandments?

Isn't it hypocritical to support someone who says one thing, and acts another way? How could so many conservative Christians have voted for an adulterous thrice-married casino mogul who has bragged about assaulting women and rarely goes to church?

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Who buys weapons from America?

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I suspect Osem will be along in a minute as his thing is "Exposing lies & hypocrisy" :)