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I don't care about his political ideology i do care about his blatant hypocrisy and it isn't just him we have quite a few MP's crawling out of the woodwork talking about blocking brexit. Shame they didn't find their spine earlier and decide the issue rather then copping out and handing it to us to decide via a referendum and clearly they only did that as they expected us to vote in the way they wanted but because we didn't now they want to decide the issue.

You don't get to use democracy angle to overturn a truer demonstration of democracy just because it isn't what you like or wanted they are not interested in democracy that's just a smokescreen they care about their agenda their personal belief and stuff anyone that doesn't toe their line. It's clearly time for a big change in the political landscape as too many of our so called representatives have forgotten they work on our behalf we don't exist to purely further their agenda.

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I think David Cameron doubted two things: 1) That he would win a majority so that the Liberal Democrats would not be able to prevent the referendum taking place. 2) Having been stuck with the referendum, he didn't think he'd lose it. Some great inside reads coming out in time for Christmas on how the out campaigns won including infiltrating Ukip to make it more moderate.
But as far as Parliament was concerned before the referendum, the matter was decided ie the status quo of remaining. And polls seemed to reflect this so why should MPs act differently?

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do you have a link to back that up

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If there was a majority to remain in the EU as polls said how did we end up voting to leave clearly a majority were not happy to remain in the EU or leave wouldn't have won. The biggest problem is too many still feel the leave campaign swung it for brexit despite the fact that person after person from all over the UK keeps stating their vote was decided long ago. The UK and the EU never really fitted together well it was a very fragile relationship that the majority of people i don't think really wanted after it ceased to be a purely trade based entity. Lets also not pretend that only the UK has anti EU sentiment it's growing all across the EU with many wanting out and next years elections in europe may well decide the future of the EU or even if it has a future.

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I am not sure if Andrew means the same source as this but: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01I9AEI...ng=UTF8&btkr=1

I haven't gotten that far yet but one part I did read was that Douglas Carswell defected to UKIP in order to moderate the party as he (as well as others around him, i.e. Hannan) thought that UKIP's rhetoric and Farage himself would damage any Leave campaign. Or so Carswell claims. I can't link to it because it's a book though. A very good book however.

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thanks for that:tu:

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@ Damien - They're free to campaign for whatever they want, just as I'm free to point out their hypocrisy and double standards. I'm not sure even Farage could have accused Farron of being a right win extremist... :spin:

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Doesn't negate the fact that they are (in this case) being aholes :angel:

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:clap:

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I think it's mentioned in multiple books. The FT reviewed four books and wrote this "The Bad Boys of Brexit [by Arron Banks] details the contempt Farage had for Carswell’s efforts to undermine his leadership. At every juncture, the latter tried to soften Ukip’s message, and was partly successful. The skulduggery of the Tate plotters is testament to the passion of Eurosceptics — infiltrating another rightwing force in order to muzzle it.

You can read the article by googling "How Leave won: behind the scenes in the battle for Brexit"
Subscribers' direct link: https://www.ft.com/content/18211880-...9-02899e8bd9d1

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I think the leave campaigns felt they made a significant difference. Even by getting the wording changed on the referendum from "yes" and "no" to "remain" and "leave" was felt to have made an impact. When you're talking about such a small difference everything you can do helps.

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Farron has less influence than Clegg who has less influence than Lily Allen who has less influence than HoneyG ;).

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Exclusive: Donald Trump's new chief strategist Steve Bannon 'will call Nigel Farage before Theresa May'

Steve Bannon, Mr Trump's chief strategist, will "run ideas" past the Ukip leader before discussing them with the British Prime Minister,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...bannon-will-c/

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'There is no plan' for Brexit, leaked memo obtained by The Times and seen by the BBC says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...om-brexit-vote

l cannot say l am surprised by that sadly.

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And he'll quickly find that Nigel has no input or inside knowledge on the workings of the UK Government. Trade, Defense, Diplomacy. None of this is anything to do with Farage. So unless they're just going to engage in locker room talk then it's a wasted phone call.

This is just about feeding Farage's massive ego. A man who thinks two of the largest economies in the world, two members of the UN security council and two senior members of the NATO alliance should forego the State Department and Foreign Office, bypass the Secretary of State and the Foreign Secretary and ignore all the existing diplomatic ties and conduct affairs though him, Ol' Nigel, instead. He actually seemed quite upset that the Prime Minster of the United Kingdom chooses not to conduct her foreign policy though some jumped up egomaniac. :rolleyes:

As for Steve Bannon it is a worrying sign of his amateurishness for the role.

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You wonder if they're actually pretty hopefully that the court process delays Article 50 so they have an excuse for more time.

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As l say the majority voted for Brexit and that should be totally respected and carried out but one has to be pretty concerned so far on how things are playing out so far and we have only just turned into the corner of the next street currently.

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The Government always pretended it had a strategy and said it didn't want to discuss it in Parliament as it would give away its hand. The opposition said that this was because the Government didn't have a strategy and now we know that they were correct. I had genuinely hoped that the Government did have a plan despite all appearances to the contrary. Nissan looked like making up policy on the hoof...which is likely it was.
I wonder if May will delay A50 even further, thereby invoking condemnation all round but giving herself more time to get a strategy in place. Or will she will go for short-term political expediency and invoke Article 50 and hope the Government can make up its mind before March. Going to the negotiating tables without a strategy is surely a recipe for disaster? It's a tough call. Personally, she can always do a Cameron and resign if she doesn't get agreement from her colleagues but who's to say they don't want this to happen?

Update. Maybe The Times is wrong. The Government is saying that the memo is pitch document and not one it commissioned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

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Who really cares? We're where we are now and now the vote is over I expects HMG to get on with all. The endless carping on about this that and the other might fill airtime and forum pages but it doesn't help create the impression that we're going to come together as nation and make the best of this. Unless we do that we won't get the best possible deal and whose interests will that serve? If we carry on scrutinising, questioning and challenging everything done in the minutest of detail all that'll result will be creeping paralysis. The sort of thing which is increasingly blighting major infrastructure projects. Nothing's perfect, HMG certainly isn't, but there has to come a time when we get over any mistakes made and get on with it.

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Quite right, let's crack on and harvest that snake oil

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The point the leak made - and there is now a dispute about whether it's a leak or not - is that we're not getting over our mistakes and getting on with it!

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Snake oil doesn't come cheaply and the FT is now talking of a €40m to €60m exit bill.
Subscriber link: https://www.ft.com/content/480b4ae0-...3-bb8207902122
Non-subscribers: Google "UK faces Brexit bill of up to €60bn as Brussels toughens stance"

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Ah but what price would you put on "getting your country back"?

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"The Government pretended?" Really, it isn't the school playground.

No they weren't.

No it wasn't.

A limelight seeking ex-model and a hair dresser are responsible for possibly delaying A50.

No government would do that.

I can't see her resigning.

It has been wonderful observing the penny slowly and painfully dropping. Keeping one's gob shut might have been the better choice though :).

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Sorry but i want a little more credibility then a leak and given how many remain supporters there are within government circles only an idiot takes anything at face value. There are too many people who'd be happy for the referendum to be ignored and the UK stay in the crumbling EU pretending that the federal utopian european dream continues. What's worse is that some seem to be happy for the UK to go down in flames so they can say "told you so" maybe we are too infantile to manage our own affairs.

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I think the country wants out to remove the uncertainty but not an out that plunges us over the cliff economically. That's why Parliament needs to pressurise the Government to act in the country's interests and not just short-term political expediency. I think concerns about plots are way off the mark and Labour has said it will support A50 so a few LibDem and Scottish MPs voting against won't impact the vote.
The leak did not sound like a pitch document to me, but who knows? It will be interesting to see what comes of it. As I said before - I hope the alleged leak is wrong and the Government's thinking is more advanced than this document suggests.

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We have two years of negotiations ahead of us and parliament wants the government to lay out it's strategy on what planet does it make sense to let your opponent know everything before you even sit down at the table for the first time. I would imagine a number of options are being weighed and considered at the minute and nothing is fully finalised. Some of the largest voices for parliament knowing everything are also strong voices for remain so i doubt they are acting purely in the nations interest.

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No one's asking for detail, just the over-arching strategy would be helpful to enable businesses to plan effectively.

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got any pics of it on the side of a bus :shocked:
you know we only believe whats written on the sides of buses -ding ding all aboard next stop brexit

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Given the promises that where made in the build up to the referendum and for a number of years prior by a fair selection of MP's i really would have expected some kind of strategy by now .

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It's a bit like when you go to America and a yank thinks you know his pal even though he lives 300 miles away because it's such a small country everyone must know everyone else :D

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Here's the 'memo' in full

http://news.sky.com/story/leaked-mem...ion/1479197701

It does make worrying reading

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I think you will find that was "aspirational" and "hyperbole".... ;)

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Honestly, that piece of junk is written like a school essay; yet another private firm has been paid goodness knows how much public money for pontification and amateur projection in an administration it doesn't understand.

Have faith in the Civil Service; there are some seriously gifted and intelligent people working there who will be making/will have made proper and realistic assessment of the impact of Brexit on their Departments but it won't be available to anyone but the respective Permanent Secretary's and the Cabinet.

You may as well leak the Beano and social media will lap it up. Strewth.

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Yes but good news on brexit is all made up and bad news is the gospel been that way for months and won't end anytime soon I'm getting to the point of being sick of the whole damn thing wake me up when we're out.

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We still need some evidence that the government actually know what they are doing ,i'm as optimistic as hell about life outside the EU but we still need some sort of strategy .The reason why stories like the leaked memo keep making headline news is because there is sod all else coming from the government

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No, I've posted good news here before. Like this for example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37988095

I think however bad news has a place in this too. We should criticise the government if we think they're doing a poor job. Brexit could well harm industries, bad Brexit could do even more damage and so we keep on them.

Brexit shouldn't be treated as a sacred cow beyond the rules of normal politics.

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Yes some get way too precious on here IMO as praise will be given when it is due and likewise criticism will be given likewise when that is due.

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Could be another two years before we have two years of negotiations....
Brexit could be delayed for two years, Supreme Court judge warns
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-cou...warns-10658698

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1 billion down just another 65 billion to go then on the lost deficit

Except this is google, they make a career of avoiding paying into an economy

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Looks like the penny has belatedly dropped for some with the Government admitting that the document was indeed commissioned by them. It's a bit hard to criticise an independent document commissioned by a Government committed to leaving the EU but I'm sure some will try and fail. http://news.sky.com/story/leaked-mem...ion/1479197701

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It's great news and it's a terriffic coup for the Government. Congratulations to all concerned.
Word has it that Google has been promised something on the freedom of movement front; only time will tell if these rumours are true.

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Commissioned by the Government or not it is still worthless drivel. There you go, it wasn't hard to criticise it at all ;).

My guess is the consultants provided a junior with a superficial understanding of the machinations of the Civil Service and a report of about first year university research level was compiled for a no doubt exorbitant sum.

It will be useful to make a paper dart I suppose. I bet that crashes too.

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it must be hard work constantly looking for ways to badmouth the uk ,this pathetic tantrum over loosing the referendum is becoming tedious we are all on the same bus now ding ding next stop brexit

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You must get it out of your head that anybody is throwing tantrums and is trying to badmouth the UK as its absolutely nothing of the sort as we all have a right to debate the huge issues that come with Brexit and we will criticise or praise if it is due be it if some find it hard to take it on this forum but like a bad penny ;) we ain't going away any time soon so you better get used to it.:p:

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I'm sure Sky have their own reasons for not fully updating their coverage of a story that developed throughout the day yesterday, but the current position - indeed, the position since well before tea time yesterday - is that the government did not commission this report and Deloitte did not have access to the Cabinet Office (a.k.a. Number 10) or any other government department.

It is being explained away as an unsolicited pitch document, frankly I think the current focus on the use of fake news in political campaigning is more instructive.

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Oh look, Deloitte's CEO went on the record as a Remainer earlier this year. Surprised? I almost was.

http://economia.icaew.com/news/febru...ecutive-pro-eu

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Just like a bus it goes not a very direct route and ain't fast having to stop at various places on the way. Still the old folks Get it for free as usual and will find something else to whinge about

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Well I'm sure there'll be a 'memo' conveniently leaked by someone with an axe to grind if any such 'deal' has been done. In the meantime we can all carry on feeding the rumour factory and debating its output. Maybe it'll eventually float on the stock exchange like Snapchat and make someone very rich...

Brexit is going to be very complicated and there will be differences of opinion amongst those who support it and are going to have to do the negotiations. There'll be arguments and disagreements along the way just like there were amongst the allies in WWII. So what? It's inevitable. I think what we're seeing here is the media seeking unequivocal answers to a whole lot of questions which can't yet be answered and then baying for blood when they're not forthcoming because it's that which sells papers. It's a win win for them because their pages and airtime get filled either way but for HMG is just means having to spend more time/effort defending what's been/being done whilst trying not to give away too much.

I wish someone out there would leak some memos telling us what the EU's big plan for Brexit is and how well that's going. Evidently they were just as surprised as we were about the result so does anyone think they have a credible policy which is agreed to by all? Odd that we're not getting anything on that side of things isn't it. I suppose it's much more fun for the media here to present the UK as being the mother of all chaos... :rolleyes:

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Well said Osem. This isn't a simple problem and many peoples lives and livelihoods are going to be impacted both here and in other countries. It's time the overpaid, self aggrandising, pompous piggies get their snouts out of the trough, stop fighting with each other and work towards the best solution for us who pay them and are going to be most affected. Politicians and lawyers will always find a way to minimise the impact to themselves and to get the most out of the situation to their benefit.

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Yay! President Trump has jumped on board!

We're all going on a Brexit holiday
No more remoaning for a week or two
Fun and laughter on our Brexit holiday
No more worries for me or you
For a week or two....

Ding ding :D

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"Ding Ding"? Who is in the the school playground now? :)

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Not me, I'm on the Brexit Bus. So's Donald. So's Papa. And so are you. Ding ding :)

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i'm on the back seat watching the EU get further and further away ding ding next stop brexit

ooh watch out there's a jack booted liberal trying to block the road hoot hoot

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Don't think some of the govt. are on the 'Brexit bus'. There's some that want to get off at the first stop ;). Don't blame them.

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Well if they cannot work towards a constructive brexit that's in the national interest then i hope they have the courage of their convictions and resign it's happening there's no going back no matter how much some EU fans may dream. All this obstruction is going to do is weaken the UK's hand in negotiations and given the financial bomb that may soon explode within the EU it's in their interest for an easy negotiation process as ours.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37995606
Boris has done it this time, if Brexit means no Prosecco than I'm 'out'.... I was in Italy last month and it was 3 Euro a bottle in the supermarket, so think I know where I'll be going.

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Don't worry papa that's just the ticket inspector. Everyone gets on board sooner or later.

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Except for the fact that the bus driver may know our destination, he doesn't know the route to get there or how long it will take, and the conductor doesn't know how much the fare is, the conductor and driver can't agree where the destination is, and you've spent the last couple of years repeatedly stating how incompetent the bus staff are, and what liars they are... ;)

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And the bus runs on hot air and is a bendy bus that bends around facts and truth

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It wasn't just leave that distorted things or exaggerated no side has the moral high ground on that so maybe it's time to give it a rest especially as the campaigns did little to alter the way people were going to vote whatever side they were on.

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...or eu two are on the wrong bus ;) but...

..he's right you know.

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Is this really how low politics has sunk in this country, why bother holding any of them accountable for anything anymore if this is the case

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Whats done is done and there is nothing to be done about it but hope in the next campaign they remember how pathetic the EU referendum campaign was on both sides and never again repeat it. None of the worst one's are in my area to vote on or i wouldn't vote for them so what else can we do. Yes i suppose we could have a law drawn up but politicians have to approve the law so bit like turkeys voting for xmas. What other options are you proposing ???.

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There's plenty we can do, we could hound them to such an extent that they wouldn't dare do it again, we could have every major statement fact checked by an independent body and if blatent dishonesty is apparent punish them, the inventors of democracy had an exceptional check and balance in place for when politicians lied to them, the offender had his house burnt down. Iirc it was Gideon who announced the time for banker bashing was over, well imo it never actually began and it's the same here, I don't understand why instead of being apoplectic we're happy to allow this sort of behaviour to go on unchallenged, to the extent we're turning on people who are cheesed of with it, they must be laughing themselves horse at the public at large

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Remember we now in an era of Post-truth politics in which:

Look at the way some people respond to different opinions? They just treat the whole thing as a big joke, behaving like toddlers in the playground.

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I've experienced this debating with people on both sides of both Brexit and the US election. I've actually brought facts into the debate. I've properly researched them, and cited my sources, yet, because the person I am debating with doesn't agree with them, they have dismissed them.

I've seen it here, and on facebook. An old school friend of mine (who was a liberal over here, but seems to be heading toward the Alt-right in the US) has continually ignored (or missed) the point of most of my posts on facebook about Brexit, the NHS and the US Election. One of his replies made me laugh. I'd asked him to cite sources for his assertions that Hillary Clinton is evil and racist. He helpfully provided a link to an article on Snopes.com that confirmed she was friends with a known white supremacist. What made me laugh was that had he read the article rather than just the headline, he'd have found that the senator in question was actually a reformed white supremacist and was actively working against the movement in general, and the KKK in particular.

That people ignore facts doesn't concern me in itself. What concerns me is those who have a problem with others thinking differently. I've experienced a fair bit of that since Brexit (on facebook).

I've been told I am wrong, and should **** off out of the country if I am not happy here. On the contrary, I am quite happy here. That doesn't mean I have to think the country is following the right path and I don't think it is). I have also been dismissed, and one person actually said I am likely to be amongst the first killed *when* the Muslims take over. In that case, I replied that would be good, as I don't want to live in a world where fascist attitudes like his are tolerated.

Then there are the people who say that predictions of doom after Brexit haven't happened, so are wrong. In response, I'd like to paraphrase Private Eye, who said something along the lines of (I can't type the original phrase as it would trip the swear filter) "The only reason the brown stuff hasn't hit the fan yet is no one has switched the fan on". Put simply, Brexit hasn't happened yet. It may be bad for the country, or it may be good. We won't know until it has started happening. Even then, the effects may not be felt for years.

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I have removed some of the recent childish remarks.

Some of you need to grow up before posting, any more will see people taking a break from posting.

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Perhaps there are just people who don't agree with your opinion and you have become miffed at their unwillingness to engage in a line of 'debate' they consider to have been exhausted? You are a mod, this is the internet, you know how it works.

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Whilst we are on the subject: students vote to ban ‘offensive’ newspapers at journalism school
Libtards of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your brains. :D

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Meh student unions are nonsense anyway but they get to choose what to stock in their shops. I suspect that's what the ban involves since they don't have the power to implement an actual ban. It's a akin to Liverpool refusing to stock The Sun. I wouldn't ban it but then I also had nothing to do with the Student Union precisely because this is the kind of nonsense they spent their time worrying about.

Incidentally you're using the American version of liberal again. These people wouldn't consider themselves liberals and neither would actual liberals.

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Whilst what you say is correct, some of these idiots and others like them will go on to become influential journalists :(

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Andrew Neil savages Hillary Clinton and Remainers with BRUTAL takedown on This Week

this made me smile ;) :)warning not student friendly :)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/733...ners-This-Week

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:D

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Horror of Horrors! Some of them will actually go on to be Politicians!!!!

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i wonder if a student has ever gone on to be a soap sales person ;)

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Many of them going to be scientists, Doctors, Teachers, engineers, programmers, historians and so on. I am sure some of them sell soap too, especially advertising and marketings.

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"libtards"

Which is a contraction of 'liberal retards'.

Any discussion which involves insulting someone by calling them a retard really is starting from a very poor position, imho.

ymmv.

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Ouch!
Ha priceless :D. You have to forgive them though: they are hormonal ;).

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Cameron EU bid 'corrupt' says Hiscox

CITY grandee Robert Hiscox has launched a blistering attack on David Cameron's campaign to remain in the EU, dubbing it "corrupt" and accusing the Treasury of disseminating "illegal propaganda".

Mr Hiscox, who chaired Lloyd's of London insurer Hiscox for 43 years until 2013, said: "The part the Government has played in the debate is astonishing. Their corrupt statements and illegal propaganda pouring out is something to behold, especially the Treasury document."

His comments echo those of Tory peers Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont, who railed against a recent Treasury analysis that predicts a severe economic shock as a result of Brexit.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...-Robert-Hiscox

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I think we have moved on to "hormonal libtards" ...

Quality ...

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As posted by TheDaddy earlier, the liars ought to be hounded.

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Perhaps it was just hyperbole or aspirations?

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Perhaps it was just hyperbole or aspirations :D?

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On both sides of the discussion, probably.. ;)

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Wisely I think, when in a hole I should not embolden ;).

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Heavyweight Brexiteers among 60 Tory MPs to demand clean break from the EU

Sixty Tory MPs including seven ex-Cabinet ministers have demanded Theresa May pulls Britain out of the single market and customs union amid fears her Brexit stance could be watered down.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...and-clean-bre/

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Speaking of which.... ;)

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sorted ;)

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PM Theresa May hints UK will seek a transitional Brexit deal to cushion impact of leaving EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...x-brexit-live/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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Yeah. I didn't start that sillyness. I'm simply tired of being called stupid/racist/extremist etc by left wingers and liberals simply for voting 'leave'. In the light of all nasty the name calling (which was started and is continued by the left), I think that "libtard" is reasonable and allowable. :)

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No one's called you these names here. So sit back, have a cup of tea and enjoy the polite debate here. :)

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if the cap fits ...;)

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Bit unfair calling Ramrod stupid, racist and extremist :)

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it most certainly would be if any one was ..

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We are currently hosting Italian students (15-18 age bracket) in the UK for 1-2 weeks. The consensus from them probably echoes that from around the EU. Older people would like to return to the Lira and more national say, younger people are more concerned with freedom of movement (and buying imported stuff!). This seems to be the case with all the groups we've had from different regions (mostly more northern) and social groupings.

From this it seems the question isn't so much whether the EU itself is good or bad. Different ages have different aspirations and desires, these are not actually competing though. The young don't seem to care about the Euro and while the older people want controls on immigration aren't against freedom of movement generally.

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It'll make your hair greasy. :D

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Not if you ain't got much hair to start with.;)

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2 former Prime Ministers don't see Brexit as inevitable:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...nd-referendum/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ge-their-minds

Nobody in the front line of politics will dare say it now, but another referendum on the terms of any deal is very possible. Why would Brexiters be scared of that if the case is overwhelming ?

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Because democracy doesn't consist of referendum after referendum until the 'right' answer is found.

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Well every election I vote in the hope I'll get a different result than I actually got in the last 30 + years.. :D

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It does in Brussels. Democracy is only served when they get the answer they want.

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Unless your name is Nigel Farage ...

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The fact is even though l did not vote for Brexit the democratic process should be respected and that means going through with the whole process.

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A referendum on the terms of a deal would be a very different question Den.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I've never heard of a referendum on a trade deal before.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

“tyranny of the majority”
Did he run that phrase through any sort of internal filter before uttering it?! Numpty! :rolleyes:

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Tyranny of the majority is an interesting concept, it's relevant to what we're discussing in the US Election thread too.