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No one is going to take a hatchet to workers right in the event we vote to leave that's just another scare tactic, honestly listening to some you would be mistaken for thinking the UK never did anything positive till the EU rolled along and it's a complete load of rubbish. I think even the most dim witted politician has realised that the British public have a higher opinion of what flows through sewers right now then they do the political class and that dismantling workers rights might just well push a large group of people over the edge.

It's this revisionist history some on the remain side have spouted that has really angered me as this nations values of fairness and tolerance were in play long before the eec or the EU started doing anything. Granted it suits some to believe it and many younger voters might also fall for it but the reality is the fight for workers rights in this country was done many decades ago by very committed people who deserve better then to have their legacy taken by a bunch of spineless opportunistic grubs. Workers rights will not disappear if we vote leave just as the world will not end and countries will not fall, might take a few quid out of some wallets that won't really miss it but that will be the biggest extent.

A few of my brother's company's do most of their business in the EU and he's been having conference calls and meetings with clients and none of them seem overly concerned about brexit their general opinion is that if we do vote to leave things will continue much as before as that's what is in everyone's interests. To be honest most of my views of the economic argument have come from him and those he does business with mainly Germans and Italians and they certainly don't share the doom and gloom about brexit some think it might be the best thing for the EU.

That's why the scare mongering and fear campaign have angered me so much it's a small group promoting and backing those tactics and is not representative of everyone in certain fields that they claim.

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Maybe I said 'could' or 'wouldn't you rather' or something on these lines. However, I am under no illusions here. I know it won't be plain sailing or a bed of roses in the first few years of independence. Who was it said "Nothing worth doing is going to be easy"? I, like most sensible Brexiters are looking at the bigger picture. We look at all the possibilities that will arise from leaving the EU.

Remain will say we've spent this money 10 times over but that is not true. What Vote Leave are saying is what the money saved 'could' be spent on, not what it 'would' be spent on. They use the NHS as a perfect example of how the money could be spent.

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What I sometimes fail to understand is that most polticians say that all the majority of the immigrants pay all their taxes and put a lot back into the economy. Let us face it, a big majority of all immigrants will be on low wages and will claim tax credits and other benefits to make their wages up and will still not pay any income tax due to the increase in personal allowances. Then, most of these will be claiming child benefit for their children back home, plus they will be send the biggest part of their earnings back home to the families there. How is that benefitting our economy. The only person benefittiing is their employer.

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Psst, Dave, project fear isn't working.

AOL news linky

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Well they change the argument to suit themselves and the day of the week. I fail to see how any migrant who's earning a low income and receiving IN WORK BENEFITS (e.g. working tax credit, child tax credit, child benefit) can be much of a net contributor to UK PLC, especially since many of them will also be sending money back home.

As for the 'bonfire of workers rights' argument, well it's frankly puerile. Until 5 minutes ago Corbyn was a sincere believer that the EU wasn't good for the man in the street and that Labour is the party of the working man. Presumably he now feels that with him as its leader Labour is so unelectable that he'd rather us be run by unelected suits in Brussels. It's laughable.

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A rare bit of good news both sides can agree on: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...endum-deadline

Remain or Leave it's best that it is decided by a large turnout and it's encouraging to many young people signing themselves up to the electoral register considered the poor turnout in elections for that age group.

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Can't argue with that, it's always disappointing when you see how low voter turnout is in many elections.

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Considering various UK governments have opposed the Working Time Directive, Agency Employee Rights Directives and TUPE and Redundancy Consultation Directives, I would say yes, we should be concerned

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Yup

Non of which we would be allowed :(

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Dave doesn't "do" irony. :LOL:


Knee-jerk short termism and panic. It's been the character of Dave's "leadership"

Quotes linky

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He didn't actually call them liars to be fair but said they were wrong/inaccurate.

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Exactly! :tu:

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Do you have a link for this "big majority of all immigrants will be on low wages and will claim tax credits and other benefits" assertion?

All I could find was this DWP report from last year:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-june-2015.pdf

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There is an article here that's good too: https://next.ft.com/content/0deacb52...8-00386a18e39d

In short it's difficult to measure it. It's certainly not a given. But we're talking across the population here and not specific individuals.

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Another change of argument. I thought we were being told that immigrants were coming here to do the low wage, dirty jobs that lazy Brits didn't want to do. That was the justification for mass migration we had rammed down our throats. When it's pointed out that such people aren't likely to be big net contributors (if at all) to UK PLC, the claim arises that more of them are skilled people in higher paid jobs, paying loads of tax. Surely even a politician can't claim the majority of migrants can be in both categories...

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I think we're on the same argument? We're talking about the effect on wages above I don't it was about them doing the jobs we don't want to do unless I missed a post?

The individual campaigns are in charge of sending out campaign material. Leave not contacting you (yet) would be their decision. They're also not prevented from doing it, both campaigns can send out leaflets etc.

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Originally Posted by j52c View Post
What I sometimes fail to understand is that most polticians say that all the majority of the immigrants pay all their taxes and put a lot back into the economy. Let us face it, a big majority of all immigrants will be on low wages and will claim tax credits and other benefits to make their wages up and will still not pay any income tax due to the increase in personal allowances. Then, most of these will be claiming child benefit for their children back home, plus they will be send the biggest part of their earnings back home to the families there. How is that benefitting our economy. The only person benefittiing is their employer.

This is a cracking argument j52c, wish I'd thought of it. They change their stories more than I change my socks. I'll be sure to use that argument in the next 16 days.

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Yes I can go along with that, however, does a large turnout not mean remain have a better chance of winning?

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Guys you understand that people on the Remain side aren't a monolithic bloc? Just because one person makes one argument and another person makes a different argument doesn't mean they're changing their stories.

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I must say I've lost a little respect for Martin Lewis. Yesterday I listened to him on BBC R5IIRC, telling listeners they should make their own minds up and refusing to comment on what his personal view is. Now he's apparently come out and confirmed how he'll be voting to remain in the EU. Why do that if you want people to make up their own minds, unless of course you're hoping to influence them? I'd not have a problem if he just said he wants everyone to vote to stay in but why do this?

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Can argue it either way IMO. High turnout reduces the change there will be a motivation difference which some Leave supporters hope for but how do you know these registrations aren't motivated Leave supporters? Either way high turnout is a good thing for something as crucial as this.

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Went into an e-cig shop this morning to get a new e-cig and some juice and we got talking about what would be legal and illegal if we remain in the EU and e-cigs are to be hit hard if we remain. You who smoke them won't be able to buy the big ones any more or buy any juice to vape over 1.0 strength. ATM I have 3.0 which is about the same as a normal cigarette. Guess which way they will be voting?

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Think it was part of this post: http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/20...eu-referendum/

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Well I've already voted and don't regret it. Vote Leave the risk isn't as bad as they say it is.

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Sorry my post wasn't directed at our earlier posts, just an observation as to how migrants are described differently according to the point being made.

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https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/sta...384?lang=en-gb

It's not all project fear....

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Perhaps it's a result of project fear.....

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... and to think that 5 minutes ago the world, his wife and their dog were buying up London in a massive property spending spree...

Anyway I don't suppose those same investors who're taking money out of the UK are putting it into the EU...

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Well according to R4 the stock market and pound are up.

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Whilst the utterly corrupt tobacco products directive reinforced my view it was not a huge factor and the three biggest impacts of it will be maximum tank size of 2ml, eliquid max strength of 20mg and eliquid only being sold in 10ml bottles. It's a thoroughly ridiculous legislation but it's what the pharmaceutical company's wanted and they pay enough to get their way, the corruption in the EU was a big factor in my choice. By the time the 22nd gets here I think the only disaster that won't happen if we leave will be Satan rising and scorching the planet but given the campaigns so far even that one might make it on the list.

Just want it over with so this embarrassing farce can be done and no more damage is done to the uk as this has done no good but I suspect a lot of damage to our standing.

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If ever there was a good reason to vote leave that has to be it.

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Hope they are not sending it into the EU? They may well lose the lot.

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It'll be up and down for the foreseeable, even if we remain, I reckon. The bad news from within the EU hasn't gone away and more will follow in due course.

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Here is the story: http://news.sky.com/story/1708390/bi...ead-of-eu-vote

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Vote Leave have taken down their 'Register to Vote' page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/36462432

It was an advertised first link when people where registering to vote. Frankly it's hard to miss the Vote Leave advertising but you really shouldn't have it above the official government page and say 'register to vote now' on the button. Apparently a lot of the Vote Leave branding was missing on the mobile version of the site as well.

It's unlikely anyone here isn't registered or tried to do so via the Vote Leave site but none the less might as well remind everyone that the deadline is tonight: https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

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Oh dear, all I've heard the past couple of days is how Brexit is "racist".

They really are trying to sling muck wherever they can.

Godwin's Law before long I expect.

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Who said it was racist? I know the Archbishop said that of Farage but Farage isn't Brexit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...as-hitler-did/

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Cameron will soon be calling martial law to make sure the vote goes the right way

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is big H living here as well;)

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i'm expecting a foiled terror attack that the EU have uncovered ........

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Surely the NWO will just rig the vote?

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no need to bring tony Blair into it ;)

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Unfortunately, with the Illuminati, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Freemasons, Opus Dei, Reptilian Overlords, and various other Global Domination groups also rigging the referendum, it will split the vote... :D

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I'm waiting for the Dan Brown book to follow ..

Question: can I still Roam for free in the NWO?

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Yes but we, I mean they, are always listening.

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Where did ITV get this audience? They're really good. We're so used to the dross they find on Question Time....

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It's amazing how poor both sides are at dealing with their weaknesses. Gove last week with 'people are sick of experts' and Farage's 'GDP isn't that important' and Cameron both weeks on immigration where he just dodges the question.

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I thought Cameron was a cut and paste from the sky news debate from the other night he just went over the same old stuff he's like a one trick pony.

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Frankly most of what l have seen so far Gavin has been politicians from both sides obfuscating on a regular basis when they are asked any hard difficult questions. about many of the issues of the EU referendum so one has to seek out their own factual information about a good many things.

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EU threat to your pension: Expert says vote leave to protect retirement pots

Edi Truell, former chairman of the London Pension Fund Authority and founder of the Pension Insurance Corporation, has said that he is backing a Brexit to protect British pensions.

His stark warning over the terrible cost of staying in the EU comes amid further revelations that Brussels wants to take control of the British tax system with a European tax code imposed across the 28 member states.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...etirement-pots

........

EU referendum live: voter registration site crashes after Cameron-Farage debate

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-farage-debate

the good old the websites gone down ploy /we need more time

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Therein lies the proof that they're not prepared to enter into a proper debate about migration etc. no matter what they've grudgingly had to 'promise' in public. Every so often people like Gordon Brown, Pat Glass and Emily Thornberry remind us what they really think about those who elect them and it's highly ironic that whilst these people set themselves up as somehow opposing nasty stereotyping, they don't mind indulging in it when their argument is exposed as being flawed. Nasty hypocrites.

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There's not really much doubt really big arguments is there? If you want an elected and removable UK govt. to set our laws, run our economy and be able to control migration then you have to leave. If not, vote to stay in and watch as the EU takes more power. The rest, i.e. what'll happen if, is conjecture on both sides.

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Well he's now having to use every possible argument to justify staying in even if doing so contradicts stuff he was saying earlier in the year. IMHO the way this has been handled is a major embarrassment but we've seen before the sort of tactics the EU and their proponents use when an electorate is in danger of making the 'wrong choice'. I fear we're in that situation now and there's already talk of parliament effectively ignoring the result and voting to keep us in the single market (with free movement) if we vote to leave the EU.

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Unfortunately I didn't see the debate so I've been looking online for last night's programme on ITV but can only find clips from it.

Anyway it doesn't really matter what they argue about now as a vote to remain in the EU IMHO is a green light for them to implement their policies. There are stories of Euro Police on our streets, a joint European army, air force and navy, closer political union and monetary union and they are all out there for people to read for themselves. If people can't see that this will happen should we give them the green light then sorry but they deserve what they get. It's just a pity the rest of us have to suffer.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...ligence-agency

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/674...rexit-Brussels

Is this what remainers really want?

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You've got to question the intelligence of those stupid enough to leave to the last minute to register. Probably students; wonder if they realise they're also registering for council tax and debt collection agencies ;)

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What I'd really like is for people to use their own brain cells and not believe everything in the Mail/Express or any politician that opens their mouth.

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People really shouldn't leave it two hours before the deadline to register. :rolleyes: Still a deadline is a deadline and you should also expect to still be able to register if you're ahead of it. They might extend it a da. Don't see the harm if it's possible to do so...

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This is not just paper talk. Do some research and you'll find the EU have plans for an European army and Police Force.

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Those who wanted to register should have done so long ago if it meant that much to them. I'm sorry but, as you say a deadline is a deadline and that's that. They knew the deadline and have had plenty of time to register to vote. It's their own fault if they leave it till the 11th hour as anyone with half a brain would know that super demand on a website is bound to cause it to crash.

If they have a genuine reason and can prove it then by all means let them register but in this case it's just the way it is.

If the vote means so much to them then they should have registered long ago. My Sons who have never been on the voting register are now on it because the vote means that much to them. Like myself and my wife we are all vote leave.

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I agree mostly but if you tell people you have to register by midnight and it goes down at 10pm then if feasible you should extend it. If they can't do it because of legal or practical reasons then I don't have much sympathy for those who failed to register but if it's trivial to keep it open for an extra day then really whats the harm? Frankly if it possible to keep it open an extra day then they should have do so from the beginning, allowing people to register for as long as possible.

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I suspect both campaigns would approve anyway.

Still even if they don't an impressive 500,000 additional people registered to vote yesterday! https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote

It's applications so not all of them will be valid and some will be re-registrations from people making sure but still very good.

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Want to see how the EU put through the new Tobacco Products Directive, including repealing the old one? It's here - http://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/p...n/index_en.htm

The process is certainly comprehensive, from initial consultations, through Commission Proposal, Council approval and Parliament voting, all the documents are there

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My neighbour knocked our door at 11:30 last evening. He had been trying to register to vote online for 3 days. I gave it a try but by the cutoff time of midnight the site still had not opened.

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3 days? :confused: It wasn't down that long.

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Aye well the sooner we ditch the EU the better or they will take us down with them. Even economists agree the Euro is heading for disaster and if we are not in the EU our economy may not take such a big hit. I know we are not in the Euro but it still effects us as there will be no money to give us back. No money means increase in membership should the Euro fail despite what Cameron says.

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It's likely that the cost of EU membership for the UK will rise with the accession of a number of poor Eastern states all of which will qualify for and expect EU handouts. Together with further bailouts of the Greek economy and possibly Italy and portugal. The UK will be unable to veto or evade these payments as the EU meisters will just find another way to make us pay that cannot be vetoed. Just look how Dave said we'd never pay that £1.8bn in the Autumn but we paid it anyway.

Remember:

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Osborne claimed then we're indemnified against further bailouts but I would't believe that. He would only have been given those assurances if the EU knows another way of getting the milchcow to pay up.:rolleyes:

Remain and it's pretty certain that the rebate, such as it is after TB gave much of it away in his ambition to get the EU presidency, will go as well. The EU has intimated as much.

At this point in time we are masters of our own destiny, such an opportunity will not come again for a long time.

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I got a text from Vodafone this morning to say Zone 1 charges across the board will be going up from July and there was me thinking charges from the EU were getting better or fairer as they say.

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On another note I dont like how the 2 black women in the audience were attacking farage over his comments on how women were being attacked in Germany because of the open borders.

I agree with what he said I've read a few articles now relating to German teenage girls/older women getting raped. there was an incident not long since where an 18 year old was followed by a group of 16 year olds and gang raped.

There was an article where a 13 year old was also raped and the list goes on and all this from migrants from other countries. I think he was holding back by saying it is the way they treat women in their home countries.

That is utter nonsense what I think he really wants to say is these **** are moving from country to country with the intention to commit these offenses they know what they are doing and what is right from wrong but because it is hard to track them and they know this they can do these horrible things.

They don't want to integrate into the countries they settle in they want to transform them into their own. It makes my blood boil when something happens in a community and the majority are of none English origin and the police or local councils or Gov say we will speak with the leaders of that community I mean WTF is all that about?

If they can't mix with people of the country they have moved to then don't come here.

I would 100% agree with a point system.

I like how Cameron was asked what if the UK was to leave the EU where would you see our country in 20 years time and he couldn't answer the question other than repeat about there being 500 million people in the EU and talk about cars as to the only point of sale in the UK lol he's got one scripted speech he's learnt and he wont go off the track with it

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Well we all know what liars they are. Just like recent talks, they got nothing but gave plenty away.

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At the risk of sounding racist here it seems like a case of poor black man / woman crying racist against a white man. Did you know that in this country it's not racist towards a white person or UK born but it is towards a black/ethnic if something deemed to be racist is said?

Here's an answer to that question. I'm sure there's more.

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...5131107AAVK6Ho


Yes...in a sense. I'm black, and I could definitely be racist on my own, as a single person, if I were that ignorant. If I were ignorant, I could commit hate crimes and call a white person a slur and discriminate them. Yes, I could be blindly prejudiced, and any other one black person can be racist toward white people.

But, on the flip side, no, black people cannot be systematically racist, simply because we're not the ones in control of the system and we don't have the amount of power in America that white people have. We can't spread harmful stereotypes through the media. White people aren't often turned down for jobs because of their race. Why? Simply because they're not a minority.

So yes, black people can inflict general racism upon white people... but not systematic racism.

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We all need to realise that they'll never admit the truth when it comes to open borders and the logical consequences thereof. We can see the truth around us daily, we don't need other people to tell us what we see and how it affects us.

Infrastructure is hugely expensive and requires long term planning but migration which, for various reasons, can ebb and flow on a huge scale over relatively short periods isn't conducive to that at all because it's impossible to predict how many people might come, whether or not they might stay long term and what their future needs might be. A policy of free movement just means that nobody can accurately plan ahead, whether it's the UK accommodating millions more people or the likes of Greece, Spain, Lithuania, Poland, etc. seeing an exodus of certain groups.

To some, it might seem great that Greek doctors and teachers are free to leave ailing Greece for pastures new but where does that leave Greece?

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Looks like Cameron will extend the deadline until the end of today.

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So you might want to inform your neighbour.

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No doubt there'll be some not happy cos they couldn't get through in time - There's always one at least. So now what happens if that happens? Does he extend it another day if a few were too late and then another day cos someone else wants to sign up? Where does it end?

LAST DAY for Postal Votes!

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It ends as long as the system stays up. It isn't about getting though in time but the fact the system crashed,

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Looks like the government will have to pass emergency legislation.

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Good job this isn't an EU issue - can you imagine how long 'emergency legislation' would take to pass?

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Registration to vote in EU Referendum: Deadline to be extended to midnight tomorrow. Latest from the Commons who are now debating the subject.

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Tonight would have be sufficient imo.

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He was and yet he still got the better of the debate imo. It takes a very special politician to make Dave look good, step forward nigel, take a bow.

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To be fair Cameron arranged that on purpose. They know Farage does little to convince floating voters.

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I'd have thought the site going down hurts remain more than leave

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I didn't like it either, I was watching it with my partner who is black. You should of heard what she was calling that black woman with the ignorant attitude, it would have been seen as severely racist if anyone white had said it.

What really annoyed my partner is that the woman was not only trying to give the impression that Farage was racist but also that black people don't vote for UKIP, well on that claim she couldn't be any more wrong. Of the black people I know many of them like what Farage says, and the only one who doesn't and is voting to remain in the EU works in the banking sector:rolleyes:

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not anymore the dead line it seems is another u-turn .

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https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...d-in-2015.aspx

2% of non-white people voted UKIP. That's a bit of a distortion though as less people did over all (12% white voters did). Still compared to the other parties they do have the smallest proportional support from minority/ethnic groups than Con/Lab/LibGreens so her point on that specific instance wasn't entirely unfair.

I don't agree with her overall point/rant though.

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Her point is demonstrably nonsense anyway. Being in the EU means uncontrolled immigration from (overwhelmingly white) Europe, which then mandates strict controls on immigration from the rest of the world (much of which is not white) if we're to maintain any influence on total net migration.

If would-be immigrants from Europe had to compete on a level playing field with those from the rest of the world, we would have an immigration policy based explicitly on skills and not on nationality. If either approach can be called in any way racist, then it's the EU approach.

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Something that's become painfully obvious during the debates is how poorly served we are by our mainstream journalists. I can remember when Andrew Marr and Robert Peston were effective interviewers; they've become way too matey with the various authority figures they interview. It's like they're having a little chat in a gentleman's club :rolleyes:.

Contrast this with the performance of the incisive and irreverent interrogations of DC and MG by Sky's Faisal Islam. He was brilliant in taking them to task and it reminded me that politicians serve us, not the other way around.

We need to see more of Faisal on TV imho; he made the interviews exciting and nicely uncomfortable.

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or an attempt to rig the vote by getting more young people to register as they are more likely to vote remain. The older generation are likely to vote leave. That should tell the country something. That we are the ones who voted last time and can see what a bliddy mistake it was to vote remain.

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Do you think the purposefully took down the site then? By the way expanded the electorate isn't really rigging the vote.

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i find it quite alarming that 2 days have been added to the deadline i thought the site went down for 2 hours .

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Non-White, that's a very wide brush isn't it.;)

As my partner says, she and many of her friends chose Britain to emigrate to because the British forced them to speak English, if the French had colonised them she would most likely be living in France. She's quite patriotic, get's very annoyed with the soft British politicians, and get's very vocal about people with no historical connection or ability to speak English coming here whilst on the other hand her country folk are limited due to immigration targets.

She gets very annoyed about immigration in general, mostly because she knows of so many cases of people living here after making false asylum claims in the early-mid 2000's using false passports/birth certificates.

Black people (African) I know, generally see through the racist chants aimed at Farage & UKIP. What was different about this rant at Farage was that it wasn't from a white person.

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It wouldn't surprise me. Getting more youngsters to vote will obviously help remain more than leave.

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Well not that weird in UK terms but yes, but that was the only measurement MORI had. White or BME.

I believe there is a lot of disquiet about that. People in immigrant communities or who come from one being unhappy that their relatives or countrymen can't get in but someone with no family can.

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OK but wouldn't taking the site down as they were all trying to register hurt Remain?

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He was unable to get to the site for 3 days. He has tried gain today a few times, same problem.

I keep getting the Gateway problem too on my PC.

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Just before the referendum, Cardiff's council rag "The Capital Times" gets a rebrand as "IN Cardiff" with the word IN in white on a solid block of red.

Subliminal advertising?

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I'm sure it's perfectly innocent, purely co-incidental... :rolleyes:

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Bizarre! It's not happening here. Are you both on the same ISP? Something is really weird there. Just be sure this is the site: https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

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No we did that on purpose.

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New Brexit song MOCKS meddling EU and paints picture of proud FREE UK

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...song-Brexit-EU

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That's the one, I'm trying from VM, he's on Orange (mobile) I think.

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And it's still down for you? Something is really wrong here. I can't think of what would apply to both of you if it isn't the ISP.

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Working fine over wifi in Leicester.

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David Cameron accused of bias over EU referendum deadline extension


The pro-Brexit Tory Bernard Jenkin, chair of the Commons public administration and constitutional affairs committee, questioned why the government was failing to put in the same effort to find misregistered EU citizens who had been issued polling cards.

“The government is having to rewrite the rules to clear up a shambles of their own making. Why are they are not acting with the same vigour over weeding out misregistered EU nationals who have been sent polling cards and even postal ballots, but who are not eligible?” Jenkin said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...line-extension

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Wrongly registered EU citizens are hardly likely to vote leave so no rush in sorting that out but a lot of remain votes were so important they left it to the last minute to register to vote. Did anyone really believe there weren't going to be some shenanigans involved in all this I'd have been struck dumb if there wasn't. I would like to know what if anything has been done about the threat by some mp's to ignore the referendum if it goes leave's way some names would be good so people know who to kick out at the next general election.

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Not good news for the Brexit camp this morning over NHS claims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36485464

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I wondered why Farage didn't say that to the old bag the other night

Ukip founder brings nazis into the debate again

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57...af?edition=ukt.

Crawl back under your rock Mr skid, it's boring

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I'd have like everyone under 40 to have been registered to vote automatically as a one of, they're the ones that are going to bare the brunt of our decision and their voice should be heard, I have no issues with any delays needed to give them that voice.

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At last an MP with some scruples, willing to call to a lie a lie and not tell them. Brexit meaning more money for the NHS is the biggest porky pie of the referendum. When the economy dives there'll be less money for everything. Anything going will be targeted to Boris' rich chums who of course go nowhere near the NHS.

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The problem is the figure. The NHS 'could' have more money but anyone with half a brain knows it's not £350 m. I don't think they have done themselves any favours with this figure.

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this is (so far) the stupidest post I've seen in a long time.


Why?

wasn't the many months long lead up to it long enough?

Aren't these people already registered to vote... you know, for stuff like local elections, General ones etc.

Is it really that hard not to expect the 'under 40's' - bless them to manage to do that all by themselves without the helping hand of 'we'll do it for you automatically'

If people care enough about their future or politics, they need to get up off their ass and onto their hind legs and do something about it - all by themselves...

We don't (quite yet) live in an amazing automagical word for Gen Snowflake.
Nor should we, people need to engage because they care, if they don't then too bad for the little darlings - they have a voice,they just need to use it.

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Well said!

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This would work better had a whole load of them not be kicked off the register due to the change in how registering works.

Voting is not a right that should be earned. It's a fundamental right in a democracy and the barriers to access should be as low as possible. I agree with TheDaddy that registration should be automatic, although not just for under-40s but everyone. I am not entirely sure why that isn't the case but it might be because people move around in a way the government can't check? Not sure.

Besides a deadline is the deadline but if you set it at for 11:59pm then that is when it should end. Not 10pm. Yes it's irresponsible to leave it so late but that laziness should not be punished by disenfranchisement and the fundamental fact here is that they were not late, they attempted to register ahead of the deadline.

The only sympathy I have with Leave's argument on this is that two days is a bit much for 2 hours of missed registration.

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Anyway I don't think this will change that much. The majority of registrations will be re-registrations from people already on the electoral roll making sure they are.

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My comments are not pro or con leave, the ability to vote and register are well established, if people choose to leave til the 11th hour to do this and something awful happens, too bad.

Let's be clear here, It's not like the whole populace has had 2 days only to register - and it's hardly like the Referendum process has been done in secret.

Barriers to access? hardly. I mean COME ON why are you bending over backwards to make excuses for people. There has not been an unreasonable time to register, and the whole process to register changed last year was it? Man what's wrong with people today, if we make things much easier for everyone , we might as well breathe in and out for them, so they don't need to.

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Well no, not 'too bad'. They arrived before the end of the deadline and were not able to register to vote. I was already registered and would have registered had I not been (in fact, I have already voted!) but there shouldn't be a punishment for leaving it a bit close as long as you're ahead of the deadline.

No but not everyone is political aware or really knows what is happening. We might find that to understand but that's the reality of it and voting is a universal entitlement irrespective of a citizen's knowledge of the political process. The first debate on terrestrial television was on that evening and at the end the host on ITV told people they had two hours to register. That may well have caused the spike.

No but these people arrived ahead of the deadline and were unable to register. The rule was that if you registered before 11:59pm on Tuesday you would be entitled to vote. They met their requirement but the government broke the deal. So extending it isn't out of line.

I agree it's bad planning but they shouldn't lose their right to vote over it if they arrived in time.

This is like when people were turned away at the polls for arriving before 10pm because the queues meant they wouldn't actually be in the booth by 10pm. They arrived in time to vote, let them vote.

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I'm not arguing against the extension per se but the presumption that we should all be automatically registered for something because we're too stupid/lazy/clueless to do it for ourselves. Part of being a grown up means doing grown up stuff, otherwise we'll all end up a nation of Adult Babies. Probably the reason why you can't vote until you're 18.