Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

As great admirers of the EU, it's not really a surprise that, having obtained the wrong result in one referendum, they very rapidly start going on about another. You see referenda are only any good when they yield the required result.

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The EU's very good at that, I remember the Irish had to vote twice to get the desired result.

We should remember that that Scotland only joined us because of a failed colonisation attempt in America which bankrupted the Scottish and as a condition of a bailout they joined us. However they are very good at getting terms such as over representation at Westminster and the Barnet formula (whatever that may be?)

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A budgeting rule the Treasury uses to ensure capital spending projects aren't all concentrated in the south east of England. Planned project spending in England automatically results in a proportionately-sized pot of money being made available to Scotland, Wales and NI.

It was introduced as a temporary measure in (IIRC) the 1970s, but stuck for want of anything better.

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What sort of thing are you talking about?

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Education with literacy standards slipping over recent years and the new testing regime getting slated by every teacher I know as a disgraceful way to manipulate the pass mark.

NHS waiting time targets missed pretty much constantly.

As for Policing, well putting all the regional forces into one big political football whilst simultaneously removing their VAT exemption and slashing their budget has worked brilliantly... :erm:

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Perhaps, but they just blame the Tories for everything, even the devolved matters, and people seem content to keep believing it.

Can we not just accept that there's a big divorce from reality and amicably divorce? The SNP think they can do better, see how things run when they start ramping taxes up to pay for their utopia.

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But Derek you know that's all the fault of the English in general and Westminster in particular... :rolleyes:

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Nicola Sturgeon fires starting gun on Scottish independence referendum.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nce-referendum

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I'd be tempted to call her bluff. Sturgeon's SNP are a one trick pony and right now the independence argument has never looked weaker (e.g. price of oil, losing Sterling, no EU membership) from where I'm sitting. Of course if, north of the border, they vote for independence good luck to them. At least we'll at last be able to concentrate on the affairs of those who wish to be part of the union not those who don't and whose idea of 'independence' is ceding ever more power to the EU.

Salmond before her and now Sturgeon, remind me of any number of failed 1970's union leaders - their behaviour is just as misguided and will end up having the same result for those they represent.

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The Independence issue was settled two years ago in a proclaimed once-in-a-lifetime referendum. Scotland chose the UK. The once-in-a-lifetime Brexit issue was decided last June. The UK chose Leave. Both are clear democratic mandates.

Sturgeon is a remoaning nationalist trying to exploit that which for her are democratically lost causes. The SNP won't accept anything other than Scottish independence but I don't see why a Country needs to go through further divisive turmoil because of the stamping of her little careerist feet.

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I think May should call her bluff. Rejecting the referendum is probably what Sturgeon wants as I imagine she would rather the case for independence be better than it is now before calling for the vote. She would rather wait and have Westminster vetoing the referendum as a tool to stir up further resentment of the UK Government.

That said it's still going to be close IMO. Polls have it at 50/50 roughly, the Nationalists will likely be far more motivated and united than the Unionists and the prospect of a Conservative Government until 2025/2030 will be a useful campaigning tool. The UK government will be focused on Brexit, Labour are nowhere and nor are the liberals. Unionism is weak at the moment.

If May consents and I had to put money on it, I would say they're going Independent. But if she doesn't I think the chances only increase, just at a later date.

If the EU really wanted to play hardball allowing Scotland to maintain the UK's EU membership would be a killer. They've said they won't and Spain are likely to object but imagine if they did.

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I wish the SNP would get to. No need.

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Your money was also on Remain and Clinton. As Darth Vader once said: Sith happens ;)

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Darn right she'd rather wait, it'd be the end of her and possibly the party to lose two referenda so quickly

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Scotland would have to reapply to join NATO if it left U.K.

We would need a border wall (And Scotland can pay for it). :rofl:

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Shocker she's waited for the first oppurtunity and if they get another referendum and lose we will be going through it again in another few years the snp are just going to keep doing this and the last thing the UK needs right now is this rubbish. Scotland isn't worth the continual disruption this issue generates and until the snp get what they want it's disruption they will start at the drop of a hat.

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Sorry for all the Scots that are not SNP drones but I'm so sick of all the ***** that either way I think it'll be win win for the rUK

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Nicola Sturgeon is so wrong in this. Like my friends and family, I voted to leave in the Scottish Referendum, but accept the result to stay in the UK. I've been happy with the way the SNP are running Scotland, but wish that they would stick to running the country and forget this breakaway from the UK carry on.

As for Brexit, I'm so tired of hearing that 'the majority of Scots voted to remain'. The majority of the Scottish electorate did not. The actual figures of the total Scottish electorate were Remain 42%, Leave 25%, did not vote ie couldn't care whether we remained or left 33%.

The general feeling amongst people I've spoken to is that they are disgusted at the childish behaviour of the SNP at Westminster. I've heard nothing of our local SNP member since he went there; don't think he has actually taken part in any debate.

From the feeling in this area, it seems unlikely that there is any chance of a yes vote in the next Scottish Referendum

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Sky News sources are saying the wee lass, Nicola, being pushed in to calling for another Indy Ref by Turkey neck, Alex Salmond and others.

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She will reap the whirlwind as they say...

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I hope, before any second referendum, the Scots reassess the economic predictions the SNP dreamt up last time.

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she doesn't give a damn about the Scottish people or Scotland ,she wants Independence at any cost :td:

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How much of what you think is successful about the SNP, is simply because of the favourable Barnett formula? Easy to look good when you have money to spend.

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Heh the Barnett formula, so crap even Lord Barnett wished he hadn't implemented it. Some people don't know when they're well off.

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Well she has to go cap in hand to Westminster..good luck with that.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I've an idea - how about the rest of the UK having a referendum on a) whether the SNP can call a second 'once in a lifetime' vote and b) whether they'll ever be allowed back in if they do decide to leave... :D

Part of me would love to see them leave the UK just so the SNP finally have to carry the can for what follows. The likes of Sturgeon and Salmond are far more interested in indulging their own deluded egos than they are safeguarding the long term future of Scotland.

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I think she probably was. The membership has been far more itchy for a referendum than Stugeon who was by all accounts rather cautious and skeptical of another vote in this Scottish Parliament. Her goal has been to wait until the Yes vote was polling above 60%, but Brexit appears to have forced her hand for now with the membership ready to pounce.

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I think there is a strong case for wanting a second indy referendum .The goal posts have definitely been moved since the last one and the large majority of scottish voters voted to remain .I think May should give Sturgeon the referendum she wants but have it ASAP so that everyone knows where they stand

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She actually makes me sick with her behavior for referendums, As long as she goes down in history as the person who split the U K ,she does not care about the economy, NHS, schools or anything else that matters, I hope Teresa May tells her to get lost, My answer I'd NO, like the last one,

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Give the rest of the UK a vote on scotlands membership of the union it isn't right the snp can create trouble anytime they fancy their chances with the bulk of the UK then having to go through devisive and nasty campaigning. This issue will not end until a politician has the guts to give a vote to the rest of the UK until then we will be lucky if we can go a few years without the snp wanting a referendum.

Oh and this time no incentives should be given to try and influence the vote to be honest given the last one was meant to be a once in a lifetime thing we should cancel some of the incentives that were given as clearly the snp never intended it to be a once in a lifetime vote.

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David Cameron will go down in history as the person responsible for splitting the UK if she wins the referendum, for the trigger has been the Brexit vote.

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Brexit is just the most convenient excuse for the snp if it hadn't happened they would have found another excuse they are only interested in breaking the union by whatever means necessary. I hope most scots will see this for what it is pure ego driven politics not what's in the best interests of scotland or it's citizens. If a second vote is held whatever the result it will empower the snp and if a second vote goes against them they will use an excuse and call for another after a few short years.

Why not there is no downside here if they lose the vote that's all they lose and that's why I'd like a UK wide vote on scotlands future lets see how enthusiastic the snp are for votes when they have the rest of the UK kicking them out. If the politicians truly believe in the benefit of the union they must strongly defend it and not allow it to be held to ransom at the whim of a bunch of selfish idiots anytime they want to play up.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It all depends on what the Scottish electorate see as more important ,staying in the union or staying in the EU .The latter is problematic because i cannot see the EU allowing Scotland to simply take our seat at the EU table ,i think they would have to apply for membership the same as any other country and how is Sturgeon going to sell the idea of escaping rule by Westminster only to replace it with rule by Brussels.Give her the referendum i say and sit back while she ties herself in knots

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Of course the SNP only needed an excuse. They are committed to an Independent Scotland. Likewise the prospect of being kicked out by the rest of the UK would suit them too, I don't see how that would help.

It's not the SNP we should be worried about, it's the voters of Scotland as a whole.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It would suit some of us just fine. :D

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The snp are the problem and the people of scotland elected them and the whole UK suffers when an independence referendum happens not least the amount of crap thrown at them. There needs to be something to balance out the eagerness of the snp to call for independence referendums and that's why everyone having a vote will work in tempering their stupidity. Yes the snp want out of the UK but they want to do it on their terms them having the credit for independence if they are kicked out that's not what they want.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Will be interesting to see the words "take back control and "sovereignty" used by the independence campaign. ;)

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I think losing the Union would be 10x worse than leaving the EU for me.

Many in the SNP joined when the party was a small bunch of wackjobs with no chance or prospect of power. Don't underestimate the sacrifices they would go to to achieve their goal. They would drive the party into the ditch if it meant Independence.

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and the Mcremoaners telling them they didn't know what they voted for blaa blaaa only for a last ditch attempt to thwart the will of the people by a Mc hairdresser and a Mc money grabber taking it to the courts ........

they will do all they can to stop Mcnicola enacting article thrifty .

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'm liking the terms McLeaver and McStayer. :)

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We definitely need a name... we had Brexit, how about Joxit?

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project Mcfear has already started predictions are that the Scottish food staple the fried Mars bar will triple in price bringing economic disaster. snake oil reserves are at an all time low ,and haggis farmers will lose their subsidy .

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Sexit

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have you seen sturgeon :erm:

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The Nats really don't give a crap about Scotland or its people. They are just obsessed with breaking up the UK and getting independence no matter the cost. Using Brexit as an excuse to get what they want is diabolical.

The vote was to remain and was promised any many occasions to be a once in a lifetime vote. Whatever the people decided, they would accept it and be done with it. But for the last 2 years they haven't shut up about it.

The sooner the zombie population realise the SNP are a disease and a hindrance to Scotland and its economy the better.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

If only it was that simple Stephen i think a pretty decent sized bunch of scots will fall for all the rubbish and pie in the sky dreams and vote for it. Much as i don't want the union to break apart i also don't want to be going through this on a regular basis and that's what we're all in for.

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May isn't CMD, hopefully this time there will be less appeasement, plus everyone is tired of elections/referendums/politicky bs in general.

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All the things that the Bremainers were going on about with Brexit are even more so, if Scotland left the UK. How much of what goes or out of Scotland doesn't go through England? They are not exactly that near mainland Europe.

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No way should she have it ASAP, We have had enough of her making rules to suit herself, Let her stew till after Brexit, We had enough of a division in Zscotland in 2014". Families falling out etc, She is now going to privitise our bus service and that could mean our pensioner tickets taken away, She cannot be trusted,

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I agree Stephen, I will sign every petition there is going about to try and stop her, and hope everyone else does too

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Has anyone given a thought to the currency? At present the Scottish pound is guaranteed by the Bank of England. Does Nic the fish expect that to continue if she gets her way and Scotland leaves the Union?

Dream on girl!

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That was a major point last time about currency. The Nats have no actual clue about how it would work. Just focussed on getting independence no matter what.

I hope the Government tell them to bolt as it was promised to be a one time deal, and that if we choose to stay then they would accept it and not bring it up again.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

So will our first trade deal with Trump be a wall built between the UK and Scotland lol

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Dont we already have one, its just in need of a few repairs :erm:

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Why would someone want out of a club with only three other members to attempt to join another of soon to be 27 members some of which don't even want you in it. Makes no sense to me unless you charge it full of anti English rheteric and bs, if people are daft enough to fall for it then they get all they deserve and if they do I'll be moving my magic bean business north of the soon to be rebuilt wall

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I just think the whole thing is a smack in the face for so many scots who took the snp at their word that it would be a one off vote families were divided, friends fell out with each other and just general division and now before those divisions have healed the snp want to kick it all off again. This will be another very nasty affair and who knows what economic fairy tales the snp will try to sell this time though it's a safe bet oil won't feature as prominently as last time. I like most scots I've met but as a Brit I'm tired of the snp foot stamping like little children in pursuit of an agenda only they care about. The timing is just ridiculous i can easily believe that there are others behind the scenes applying pressure and sturgeon for all the talk is not a strong enough leader to do whats right.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Who cares what England thinks?
Lots of poor areas of Scotland did well out of EU subsidies (and weirdly Wales too, guess they didn't spend enough on education there..) so why did they vote to leave? These were mainly the left behind areas.

Strangely these were often the areas in northern England, Scotland and Wales who voted most fervently to leave when it was actually their own government who failed to give them the help they needed, not the EU.

62% of Scotland voted to stay in the EU.
Pure and simple that is why they are wanting another UK referendum. Staying in the EU was one of the principle reasons many people voted to stay in the UK. Now that that isn't happening then what the hell!

World trade rules vs world trade rules, what can be worse?

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Let them go i am sick to the back teeth of it all.

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From Scotland's point of view, I think the referendum is a good tactic to put pressure on Theresa May tp obtain a deal that works well for Scotland. But I think it's a bit bizarre wanting it midway through the negotiations as Scotland won't fully know what Brexit will look like.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

If they do get a second one, can we PLEASE let Wales England and Northern Ireland have a vote too?

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She needs to capitalise on the uncertainty. She also hopes to convince people that voting for independence before the UK has actually left the EU will mean that Scotland will never actually leave (which is nonsense - the UK has favourable membership terms which the rest of the EU resents, there is no way they're going to allow continuity of membership under those terms).

Once the UK is out of the EU, then Scotland within a fully independent UK is a quantifiable thing. Scotland out of the UK and queueing to get into the EU is the great unknown. A referendum fought on those terms would be impossible for the Nats.

If May agrees to transfer powers, expect her to do so on condition that the thing isn't held before 2020 at the earliest. Alternatively, permission to do one, but only within the next 6 months, might be worth an each-way bet ...

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Positive signals from Spain about Scotland becoming an EU member. Still doesn't solve the currency issue, though.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ommission-says

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First ... don't take anything any MEP says too seriously, even if they're a member of their domestic "ruling party". They have different priorities and different audiences to impress. You wouldn't, for example, take anything Dan Hannan says as being necessarily indicative of Tory policy.

Second ... I don't think anyone's saying Scotland can't join the EU. That would be an absurd argument, given the state of some of the other countries they've let in already. The argument is over whether there can be continuity of membership (there won't be) and the terms of membership (no pound, no rebate, that's for certain; the border mechanism will depend on the eventual treaty between the UK and the EU, but there will be a border of sorts, just as there's inevitably going to be one in Ireland).

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Why would there have to be a border in Ireland? The Common Travel Area isn't based on the EU iirc.

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Scotland, Wales, and NI already benefit from the generous Barnett formula. A large proportion of the EU money they receive actually comes from the UK. Either by our net contribution or from the rebate being reduced. The amount of the rebate is connected to how much we get back from the EU. For each £1 that we get back, a proportion is taken off the rebate, ie we pay MORE.

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I've just had a total tin hat conspiracy theory idea that this is (yet another) Remain plot. As the UK is set to walk out the front door of the EU, Remain has conspired to open a back door through Scotland. Is there no end to their deviousness :D?

An EU trojan horse is a virus Scotland can do without. It would make Scotland very sick, very quickly.

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That just sounds like a total tin hat conspiracy theory idea.

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Well, I did say so :D

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If the UK exits the customs union then there will have to be border checks of some sort. The common travel area predates the EU but since its inception, until 1993 when customs checks between EU member states were abolished, there were legal provisions for customs checks on travellers crossing between the UK and Ireland. These were not always strictly enforced but they existed. The principle of the CTA is freedom to cross the border without a passport. It was never a common market or a customs union. Those things have only ever existed between the UK and Ireland due to us both being members of the EU.

If we have a situation where a separate Scotland and RoI are in the EU, and the customs union, and the UK is not, then there will be legal structures in place for customs checks on the borders, just as there were before 1993. That situation is not incompatible with a continuation of the Common Travel Area of the British Isles.

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I should imagine things in Ireland - N Ireland border control will revert to pre 1993 condition unless of course the EU wishes to punish us.

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Indeed. There were customs posts on the border, though you were more likely to be pulled over and ID'd by the army or the police than by Customs and Excise. Nevertheless the legal provisions were there and could be enforced where officers on either side of the border believed it necessary.

If the England/Scotland border becomes the border of the customs union, then there will be customs posts at Gretna and Berwick, and if HMRC believes that smuggling is becoming a problem we would likely see them being brought into use, and possibly also see some minor border crossings being closed. It's as sad and as simple as that.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

You are not as sick as the ones who want to stay in the U K Sirius, We have to put up with it again, Time she was out,

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Give them a referendum but only after we have left the EU.

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I personally will be voting NO again and I'm quite sure so will the majority. I'm sick of hearing and reading let them go and can we let Wales, England and Northern Ireland have a vote. I do wonder does it ever cross the minds of the people who write such comments that many Scots do not want this!

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

At the moment the polls are saying 50/50 in Scotland to leave the UK so this issue is as divisive as Brexit. Many Scots do not want to leave the UK and many do want to leave the UK.
Time will tell, but the SNP are like Ukip - they will keep on trying until the vote goes the way they want it to, so I can understand people who are keen to see Scotland leave so the issue is not raised again in a few years' time!

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One poll has said 50/50 Andrew. Once in a blue moon a poll comes along that makes it look like the separatists are ahead. Such polls are remarkable for their rarity.

Even on Sturgeon's timing there are at least 18 months before a referendum, and in fact I don't think she's going to get the keys to the constitution before 2020 at the earliest. A lot can change.

What I'd love to see is May legislating for authority to be passed to Holyrood for a period beginning in November 2021 and ending in 2025. That means it's the next parliament that gets to hold a referendum, and it gives the Scottish electorate a very clear message: vote SNP in 2021, get referendum. Vote anyone else, referendum is dead.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

A vote on what, Scotland leaving? Obviously not but we could include a vote for us on other things that'd settle a few minds north of the border like reform of the Barnett formula and the removal of navy docks and ship building

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Weenie such calls for a vote are not because of a dislike or anything negative towards scots as a people but this issue just won't go away even when the snp say it's a once in a generation thing. Repeated independence referendums create issue's for the entire UK not least because independence would severely affect the structure of the UK. I know the majority of scots don't want another vote but on the flip side a lot of scots voted for the snp whose only purpose is independence so it sends a bit of a mixed signal and it's not as though they are voting for the snp on their stellar handling of the usual services and such.

The last campaign was highly damaging both for the people of scotland and the image of scotland and now wanting to do it all again so soon is going to provoke negative views and opinions.

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I think most people in the UK including Scotland don't want another referendum on anything for some time!

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Scottish politics is a bit more nuanced than you're suggesting, Rizz. The SNP has been very good at making itself look like a centre left social democratic party and the natural alternative to Labour in Scotland. At the last Scottish elections they spent a good deal of time saying "what referendum?" and accusing Labour, Tories and the rest of being obsessed with the subject. There are therefore a significant number of people who voted SNP in the last Scottish elections, and indeed the last UK elections, who don't support independence and believed that in voting SNP, normally as an alternative to voting Labour, they were not voting for a referendum.

Fewer of them are likely to make the same mistake next time.

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If you live in Scotland, please sign this.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/180642

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It's not really a big surprise they are calling for one. It is their purpose after all and they explicitly said in their manifesto they may call for one if we left the EU but at the time most people expected a Remain vote. The question of Independence did loom over the Brexit vote as well.

The question I have is who'll lead the Unionist campaign in Scotland? Labour is nowhere and the Government is both unpopular and preoccupied. A cross-party campaign is not on the table this time and there is no existing group from which to draw from. The Yes campaign are still lying in wait, they all went into other pro-Independence groups, the No campaign packed up and went home.

The confidence I've seen from some politicians that the economic case for Independence is so weak that they won't go for it reminds me of the confidence they had that the 2014 campaign would be easy and that the SNP were bluffing over Brexit being a trigger for Independence.

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No one cares now, if there's any sense there won't be appeasement as clearly that didn't work, now is the time for fact after fact after fact for the Scottish, no devo -max, make the referendum binding so there's a real sense of risk. Be very clear on what will be allowed.

I think May has more chance of doing this than Cameron ever had.

Hardball not appeasement, lets put this thing to bed. OR they get what they want, either way we (rUK win)as this constant bitterness, sniping, infinityrefs are too damaging to sustain.

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Agreed. The threat of an independence vote was derided by some as part of Project Fear but it's now become real.
Let's hope that Theresa May negotiates a deal with the EU that is more focused on keeping the UK together and less focused on appeasing the leader writers of the Brexit press.

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Scotland In Union was formed immediately after the referendum and has been campaigning ever since. They rock up in one town centre or another every weekend. It's small but it's a start they claim to have about 15,000 registered supporters.

Www.scotlandinunion.co.uk

Whenever another referendum happens, it needs to be fronted by a non politician. Sturgeon will find it very hard to deal with, as her rhetoric is very heavily reliant on attacking people for their political affiliations rather than on their arguments.

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Well, it looks like the Labour-Conservative-LibDem 'Better Together' campaign probably won't be operating for the next Scottish referendum.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7630291.html

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Scotland In Union have featured in the U.K. and Scottish news bulletins tonight.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

No, No, No.


Nicola Sturgeon is trying to use this ploy in an attempt to water down the Brexit deal. Don't be conned by her deceptively playing on the emotions of people who don't want to see the UK broken up.


Theresa May should focus on a hard Brexit, with the best deal possible. Then (and only then) after Brext is completed, deal with a Scottish referendum.

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I agree with you Weenie, We do not want this again and there she is on her high horse again, God Help Us

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Totally agree.

I have still got a group of friends fixated on getting independence and will try to shoot down anything anyone says to the contrary.

For example I shared the petition about not having another one and was met with
:dunce:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Thanks, not quite as bad a situation as I thought. The Unionists need to start preparing now.

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Well over 100k and rising...

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Theresa May Denies Nicola Sturgeon's demand for Second Scottish Referendum. *

http://news.sky.com/story/pm-tells-s...endum-10803625

* For now.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's reasonable to wait until after Brexit but not too long after IMO.

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Perhaps the best time would be after the next Scottish election which would confirm that the Scots actually wanted independence based on any Brexit deal providing the SNP ended up in the majority again.

That way the Scots would have voted a party back in on a manifesto of independence making their will known.

Sturgeons posturing needs to be proved by the will of the people and IMHO another election win for her would be the icing on the cake.

It also allows the electorate time for reflection following Brexit rather than a knee-jerk reaction.

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Thi9s will be the end of the European BS, I think Nippy was hoping to sneak in and join/stay in the EU before we left & swap one union for another, well this will well and truly put paid to that, I think once a 'real risk' referendum comes along, they'll all evaporate like the snowflakes they are.

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In 2014, Brent oil was twice the price it is today. If in 2014, it had been an Independent vote, it would have been a more comfortable, prosperous time.

But now I believe Brent Oil is now around $48.50 a Barrel, that's a $150 Billion black hole that would need to be filled on day one of a Scottish Independence. They would also be out of the EU, they would be out of the NATO alliance and once they were accepted back in to the EU, they would have to adopt the Euro. Now rejoining will not be so easy, Spain will be twitching their noses and have already said, Scotland will be at the back of the Queue.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It looks increasingly as if they're thinking about legislating for a referendum with a sunrise clause, so it can't happen before a certain date. 2020 is the very earliest they would allow it, it seems, however I think a date in 2021 is worth an each-way bet. That would make it the key issue of the next Holyrood election.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

As I said I think it's 50/50 if they'll go Independent but I also we have a better chance if we do it whilst their case is weak.

Maybe the Tories will get enough seats to prevent a SNP majority but with Corbyn being as useless as he is, and possibly even campaigning for a Yes vote, I think it won't help much.

I think May should have announced what you said though. The way she has done makes it easy for the Nats to spin it as the referendum being blocked.

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Just watching the live press conference in Edinburgh with Ruth Davidson and David Mundell, and it's painfully obvious who's wearing the troosers :D

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Well I imagine they'll be pretty easy to spot unless they're behind podiums or a desk?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

NEWSFLASH: President Trump exposed in inclement weather:

Let the winds blow high,
Let the winds blow low,
Down the street in my kilt I go
And all the lassies say hello
Donald where's your troosers?

:D