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Is that a hint ;) - Or are you just a winker :shocked: :D:D:D

Cant wait for TiVO and even if I am not one of the lucky 1000 I would still pay for it.

I have the money for it ready. HELL I even have enough money for 2 TiVO's.

So Murdoch, Know your damn role and shut your damn mouth! :D THE ROCK IS BACK AND HE IS GUNNA KICK MURDOCH'S CANDY ASS! :D:D:D

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No mailshot....
No phone call.....
Just a bogstandard email
I recon we will be lucky to see anything by May at the earliest
Fed up!
Fed up!
Fed up!

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Theres an app for that :D

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Makes me wonder how many have actually been installed in staffs in the first place.
I've not seen any posts of anyone around here with one installed so maybe VM is rolling it out region by region?

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Can anyone confirm that if VIP customers are having Tivo installed in place of a V+ box, they can then have this box replacing a VHD box in another room, at NO EXTRA COST.

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They are not getting automatically, this is all we know to this date:

Dear Mr,

It has been confirmed today, that if a VIP 50 customer who takes TiVo in their main room and wishes to keep their V+ box in their second room (returning the V HD) - they will incur no additional cost.

You will only be charged £10/month extra if you keep both your existing boxes after the TiVo box is installed i.e. you have 3 boxes (The TiVo, V+ and V HD)

Regards,

Not sure if this covers all the VIP Customers.

OR should i not post this as people are getting the gist of this:confused::confused::confused:

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Still waiting for letter. :erm:

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Well I got my ticket today too, woohoo! Guess I'll ask them to refund my £149 if I win!

BTW, to those saying they want the box now and it's unfair... if you get it, things are missing (eg. some catch up stuff via the backwards search), 3rd tuner etc. or it's full of bugs, would you complain? If the answer is yes then you need to wait. The box isn't officially launched for a reason, it's not quite ready... yet. Close, but not quite. I've field tested VM code and like to hammer things to find bugs, plus I understand it's not ready and that's fine by me, hence I don't mind paying now.

So if you don't want a potentially buggy box with missing features, then wait for the official launch!


A.

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Dont you think that we all know this al we want to say is that we had it:confused: first

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So what happens if you got a ticket (like i did) is it just a prize draw after that?

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Think most of us Vip and XL will say we got it last or is it At last. :sulk::sulk:

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When it comes, fine - until then, no biggie.....

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Actually there's been quite a few moaning on the thread that they think it's taking the p*** to charge for a box that isn't finished, so there is a basis for his comment.

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If you are that unhappy over being charged for the very latest kit then do not sign up for it when the call comes as the are 50,000 other people waiting to take your place.

Also the S1 TiVo does not have 3 tuners either and this is something brand new for this country.

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Did all XL TV customers get a "It all starts with you" card

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I did and I registered with it.

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Not yet. :(

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I didnt get a card but I had a phonecall from VM today but I missed it. Although I have canceled my VMTV service.

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No letter here yet. VIP50, and the farce continues.

There are 2 versions of the email sent yesterday. Some people got one quoting priority installs during March, and the one I got saying we will be in touch towards the end of march.

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No, I opted out of direct marketing so despite being on triple Xl I'm not expecting the black envelope. One of the VM Staff said on here if you opted out you're out of luck.

Not sure if that means a phone call is direct marketing as well though....:erm:

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Not me!:mad:

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I got the card and I signed up, they know I am weak and love new tech dam you VM:D:)

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There is a danger of mixing up charges here.

As a VM customer you can get HD channels at any level (M/L/XL) of TV package included within your base TV service price, at Sky they charge £10 per month for any access to HD but then have a different TV package structure (Variety, news, etc) as we all know.

So with VM it is possible to start with a lower TV package and get HD.

You then have the option to purchase on top of that (applies to both Sky and VM customers) the Sports/Movies channels subscription with its additional HD subscription on top, Sky have a slight advantage in that they have kept exclusivity for Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD otherwise you can get the same on VM at a slightly lower price (£7 versus £10).

However the benefit is that VM do not charge for access to basic HD channels, be it that they haven’t got as many as Sky (but plan to bring out more this year so closing the gap) and Sky will always have some element of advantage of volume HD channels but increasingly only on what I regard less relevant or impriotant channels.

The £3/month Tivo has nothing to do with HD and if you don’t want to pay it, don’t buy a Tivo premium box as is being launched now. You can still buy a V+ box after Tivo and later this year there will be cost reduced versions of the Tivo box as well.

As far as I can tell this £3 is a Tivo subscription for the unique features Tivo provides including the Internet based apps which will bring a new generation of services to your TV.

The only packaging gap I can see right now is a non-Tivo premium server but larger HDD box but I feel that will be one of the options coming out later this year, so suspect that will address what you need.

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They've had years to bring out a larger HDD V+ and not bothered, so why would they now when they can charge £199 for a TiVo?

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I've got VM phone, XL TV and XXL broadband but I've yet to receive a Tivo phone call. I did get my VM email thanking me for registering and telling me I will be getting Tivo in late March. I'm as keen as anyone to get this piece of kit but after reading some of the comments from those that got an early install over on the Tivo Community website I'm beginning to think that the delay might be a blessing in disguise. It seems that the box has more than its fair share of bugs. I'm hoping that these will be sorted by the time I eventually get mine and that the all-important (for my household, at least) third tuner is up and running.

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What heavyside said - I too have rx'ed the email, and am pleased others will be the testers for the initial roll-out, as bugs often only come to light in the first tranche of an implementation (ask any software provider....).

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*sigh*

I'm trying not to act like a hissy teenager (there's enough of that on CF these days! ;) ) but like many people I'm triple play with XL TV, registered on Day 1 of the TiVO page and have so far had:

*No Remote
*No Phone Call
*No letter

I've stashed my £150 to one side and it's rapidly burning a hole in my pocket. We'll see how long I manage to hand on to it before blowing it on some other shiny tech. I wouldn't mind too much but since a bunch of new programs launched I've been dancing round clashes on Sunday evening, all of which would have been sorted automatically by the intelligent scheduling engine in the TiVO. Ho hum.

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£199 is the premium Tivo box/service and that is the price for new customers of VM not existing customers. Sky charge something like £250 for their 1TB box although I've seen posts of deals being done bringing it down to £150 area.

Agree though that VM should have brought out a larger HDD before now but VM have publically stated there will be lower cost models coming out later this year (haven't got the link but it is buried on a thread on cable forum somewhere ), so a case of doing something they should have done some time ago agree. At least VM have stated they will be launching lower cost boxes later and that may be a 500Mb HDD at least so dealing with customer requirements for improved flexibility but not wanting to go to the full premium Tivo product.

It is a case of packaging in the end and the current Tivo box with all features is only the start. Also let’s not forget they plan to put Tivo software at least on some of the existing boxes (doesn't address the HDD capacity admittedly) but I expect that to be the Tivo UI only with no extra features like Internet information access, as I suspect you need the power of the new Cisco box to do that.

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bit of conflicting info comming out in this thread ... can we have a definative answer from someone in the know please :)

The Tivo £3 a month subscription ... is this JUST for the extras above and beyond the current V+ box or as suggested by others ... IF you dont pay the £3 a month you lose the recording playback facility as well hence making the tivo a standard VHD box

I think this needs to be cleared up in advance as its actually a very inportant issue as far as i am concerned :cool:

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The price is 149 to existing customers no install fee I believe. I think you have to pay the 3.00 a month for TIVO this isn't an option.

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But isn’t that a commercial option not even available yet?

The £3 only applies if you buy the current premium Tivo box/services which is only available to TV XL customers right now. I’ve not read anywhere that you can buy a Tivo box and not have the £3 monthly levy.

Apologies if I’ve missed something but is this speculation as to what VM will do for the future or has something been said by VM which I have missed?

Doesn’t affect me personally as I want the whole package but appreciate other people may want to be looking at a more cost effective solution just to get the greater HDD capacity say. Just thought that is going to be the lower cost model(s?) coming out later this year for which no details have been released yet, apart from knowing there will be a lower cost model!

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couple of pages back when discussing the raffle .. the T&C's say if after a year you wish to drop the tivo service (sub £3) certain features of the box will be disabled .... it was suggested that would mean losing the ability to record as well ... now i know its early stages but if in the future VM increase the sub beyond what its deemed resonable there must be an opt out but they wont remove the box just disable features .... so im asking if the recording feature is part of the £3 (and future sub costs) or will the recording feature still be available as is currently on V+ boxes

hope that all made sense :confused:

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Two envelopes turned up in the post for me today from virgin. One a mobile phone offer,no good as I'm already under contract with them at mo. The second was the black envelope with my ticket in it to register for the tivo prize draw.

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Thanks Cozzy, didn't spot that, sorry.

So a case of VM saying the £3 could be dropped after a year but not specifying which features will be lost as a result. VM clearly need to provide full details for purchasers of Tivo today who made decide to take this option after a year.

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If you dropped the £3 TiVo sub, you'd lose all the TiVo stuff, such as recording/searches/wishlists/apps. It would basically take it to a standard box with 1 tuner and a nice EPG.

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Thanks for clarifying .... given the choice i would rather stick with a V+ as long as possible if they are going to charge to record and have 3 tuners on the Tivo .. poor decision IMHO by VM

Addition

I can see it now ... 2011 and a couple million subscribers sign up for full tivo @ £3 a month ... 2013 .. the bombshell VM announce an increase to £5 a month ... 2015 another bombshell an increase to £7 a month ...

dont wish to speculate and scaremonger at all ... but with the old tivo s1 charging £10 a month ten years ago (i believe thats what i read) i can see VM milking a cash cow in the future with price hikes for those just wishing to be able to record the tv

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@Digital Fanatic: Surely it should go down to what a V+ offers?

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I'm only going by what I've been told in training for TiVo. Plus it's only £3 :D

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I'll try and get some more clarification about it, but the TiVo charge goes mainly to TiVo to provide the guide data/support for the UI etc.

I don't think we've got an ability to still allow recording without the TiVo flag on the account. Maybe the lower end model will allow this once launched later this year?

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Still no letter here.

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Seems crazy to charge for EPG and Record features as far as im aware Sky dropped there Sky+ charge some years ago let's not forget the Sky+HD box has a search feature and there internet record and IPad sky+ app recommend shows to you, BT Vision also has no charge for recording features.

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No - I'm on triple XL and haven't had anything. Won't be happy if this means I'm not in the draw.

However, although I have been waiting like everyone else for the magic phone call - I'm now considering waiting a while before getting the tivo (unless I did manage to win one in the draw - if I'm included in it!) as there do seem to be some quite major bugs to be ironed out. For me it would especially be the over-zealous parental controls which you don't seem to be able to switch off (according to reports on many other forums). As the tivo is supposed to mean the freedom of viewing anything exactly when you want it, it seems madness that you have to enter a PIN to view things that were recorded after 8pm if you want to view them earlier in the day. Madness.... and I think that would be a deal-breaker for me. :mad:

Anyway - I live in hope that all the bugs will be sorted out and that one day the tivo will be sitting on the shelf under my tv....... :erm:

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if you drop to L or below you have to pay £5 pm for v+ though.

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I know but paying £3 just so you don't lose the features that your paying nothing for currently (I'm on VIP so not sure on pricing for others) is £3 too much. The £3 is surely for the additional features provided on-top of what V+ already provides?

EDIT: And on the lower packages where you state V+ £5 pm does that not mean that tivo actually works out £2 cheaper? :S The pricing really is chaotic lol.

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But TiVo requires XL, so if you drop the £3 "TiVo Charge" but stay on XL, would it be unreasonable to continue with the same functionality that a V+ user would receive?

All very well trying to charge extra for TiVo, but the tier-ing of the service levels doesn't fit very well with the existing model because of the overlap in functionality perceived by the customer.

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I haven't had it arrive yet, don't think it's coming.

So when they said XL TV customers with phone and bb they ment 'some' XL TV customers with phone and bb. :confused:

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They are currently 2 different services, TiVo is only available as a premium product to XL customers for an extra £3 pm

If/when it's released to lower tiers then the monthly sub may be higher.

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TiVo has always charged extra for its services though.

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nothing chaotic about it. It's not available to lower tiers and is currenlty a premium offering to XL only. see post #2647

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I think the bottom line is the £3 goes to TiVo for EPG data and ongoing development. VM can't pay it out of your XL TV subs as that would be cutting the profit out of there top tier and they would be paying out more on equipment but getting less return on it.

Basically the very last thing they want you to do is stop paying the £3 to TiVo so they make the disadvantages of not paying far outweigh the £3.

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And look how well it worked for them in this country - hardly a raging success was it (despite the quality of the product).

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while that sounds reasonable because you are downgrading the tv service ... if you are on XL and stay on XL just dont wish Tivo extras but still want the ability to record the customer will have to pay the sub at whatever VM/tivo set it at ... crackers absolutely crackers ..

VM are going to charge for something XL customers currently get for free .. i certainly hope this isnt the case as i see it as a classic 'shooting themselves in the foot' scenario

(we need a shake head and shrug emoticon :) )

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I wasn't debating the value of the sub, but the path to premium is distorted.

If a customer no longer wants this "premium" product (as VM insist it is), they lose the standard functionality that others would have a the "non-premium" level (i.e. the ability to record).

Re: TiVo
 

five letter for you... B S k y B

Virgin Media and TiVo have got it right this time... a fully integrated TiVo stb with all the goodness of VoD and Apps.... perfect :)

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Some how I don't think £3 is a deal breaker for a 1TB recorder with all that TiVo offers, but others may disagree.

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depends on if the £3 stays @ £3 or sees a year on year increase beyond reasonable amounts ... the temptation is that VM could act like sky and impose unnecessary increases just to show the shareholders profits are up

this is something that cant be predicted and only time will tell as VM themselves could easily change CEO who has different ideas of how to treat customers

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Yes, they came along with something the public wanted. The majority want what they like, not bells and whistles. TiVo couldn't record whilst watching something else, and Sky+ could.

Doesn't really respond to the point I made, so I don't see why the quote was needed?

I said I'm not debating the value of the £3 - I'm debating how the upgrade/downgrade path doesn't work for the customer.

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They also have a Sky+ app for Android which is fantastic when your stuck in a meeting longer than expected you can set your sky box to record stuff from your phone.

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That's why Sly are picking up lots of base customers see the £1.00 a day offer with no charge for recording

http://www.sky.com/shop/bundles-offers/high-definition/

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Seen it mate pretty good.

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Got to agree with you on this one.

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stay on V+ then if you don't want TiVo.

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Still nearly £30 a month though for 1 tv mix

Re: TiVo
 

Again, not what I said or was discussing, but thanks for the advice - I will.

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That's how it is. I don't see any way around it... the TiVo box would still be dependent on TiVo for guide information and series links. We'll no doubt know more once the other boxes come out. There may be a "basic" model?

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You're welcome :)

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Thanks Digital Fanatic for taking your time to answer our questions. Much appreciated :)

However can you answer me this please...

...Will the apps be free to use? And will you be able to download more apps for free in the near future or will you be charged for their use?

Re: TiVo
 

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People seem to be overlooking a couple of things that the £3 also covers.

Firstly the 10 meg BB connection built into the TiVo, ok you might not see a great use for it now but wait for more apps to come along, you might change your mind then.

Plus the data for the EPG is not coming from TiVo, thats only the epg software etc, the EPG data costs extra on top of TiVo software.......

Thirdly with its multi screen deals going through VM will be able to allow you to watch recorded content etc from the TiVo on your mobile, laptop, other stb in the house etc.

These alone are worth more than £3 a month.

As to raising charges, its not going to happen quite like that IMHO.

Cindy Rose stated "However, we intend to migrate our entire television customer base over to TiVo as our standard product within a matter of years, and not many years. That means, undoubtedly, we will course-correct, refine and review packaging and pricing decisions as we go to make that happen.”
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...tv-explosion/#

So more likely a complete redefinition of packages etc

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Still stuck with what the £3.00 charge is for even though I would still probably pay it to get one. People are saying its for the EPG data so ehy is there no charge on sky+


Can't you already watch Sky content on your mobile/laptop/iPad for free as a Sky subscriber.

Re: TiVo
 

All free so far... we have "Who wants to be a millionaire" app too now! Very addictive! :D

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I'm just trying to imagine what the "hundreds" Cindy Rose quoted for end of year will be :shocked:


Bound to be some niche content there that will only interest a few like say fishing reports or current ski conditions etc

:cool:

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Oh no I'm doomed! My kids will be addicted to that app, will never get them off the TV to view normal programmes!!

Re: TiVo
 

You are comparing apples and oranges... :D

The data in the VM TiVo EPG is a heck of a lot more than what's on over the next week.

3 weeks ahead and 1 week back... a very nifty search engine too! :)

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It's really good too... I'm addicted :D

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Dam, may need a second Tivo box then to avoid a clash, good marketing trick VM!!

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I'm sure there will be in time.... you will be able to control what goes on the TiVo too, via TiVo Apps in My Virgin Media. So when the list gets bigger you can remove and add from a list of available apps... sweet :)

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That sounds very attractive and matches the concept of the Apple Store, not the same in detail but same concept at least, great unique value to VM.

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Yeah... plus if you don't want the kids accessing certain apps, you could remove them :)

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Oooohhh nice one thanks Digital Fanatic.

Wouldnt that decrease the use of the 2-way games on Interactive though or will that just fade out. Im sure there is already a Millionaire game in interactive but you have to pay for it.

So if these apps stay free its a great move by Virgin Media.

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It's not just EPG data though, there is all the IMDB type content they provide too.

I think for me £3 a month for feature parity with TiVo going forward is worth it.
If you actually own a TiVo it costs a lot more!

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I have had my Virgin TiVo since Wednesday and so far ir has been perfect. And things will only get better.

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We really now need a FAQ sticky thread for the new TIVO box like we have for V+ on this forum, otherwise this thread will be circle of continuous questions like

What is the size of the hard drive
How many tuners has it got
can I archive one programme while watching another

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http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...rm-magic-glue/


Also they have said the at some point they will create a set ao API's so developers can create aps fpr it, just like Apple do, but unlike Apple flash works on the TiVo :D

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im far from complaining at a monthly sub for tivo extras ... i can see that they have to pay some money out to tivo as well as cover their own costs ...

but to disable the tuners and the DVR functionality if you dont subscribe is OTT IMHO ... again we dont know what the furure holds and we dont know if additional 3rd party apps will cost to purchase or sub too and we dont know if you will only be able to have DVR functionality if you pay the Tivo sub ... a lot of unknowns

of course there is nothing to stop any kind of price hike or new charges for certain features and no promises it wont happen or anything to suggest it will but the potential is there all the same which does concern me personally

early stages but more questions than answers so far with a poor communication and roll out doesnt give me confidence

Re: TiVo
 

Maybe this should be made sticky for that.....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-and-tips.html

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Any issues with the Parental Control/PIN issue that has been mentioned on other forums? (This could be a deal-breaker for me if you can't switch it off or at least make it less intrusive).

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Are you still bound by an NDA DF?

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That's ok for tech minded people like us , but most just want a functional PVR.

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Yes. I'm talking about what the VM TiVo customers have now and what VM have said regarding new features.

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That's were a "lite" version would come in.

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Just a thought but if VMs ultimate plan is to have everyone using Tivo boxes (either the 1TB or stripped down). Does that ultimately mean everyone will be paying £3 to tivo just to have the VM service?

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We don't know yet. Not everyone wants a PVR, so the V-HD will still be supplied with TiVo software.

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These were my thoughts , people on XL TV with movies and sports using TIVO now basically pay 10.00 the same as the HD charge all be it 7.00 Premium HD and 3.00 TIVo charge for a lot less channels.

Re: TiVo
 

Cindy Rose stated "However, we intend to migrate our entire television customer base over to TiVo as our standard product within a matter of years, and not many years. That means, undoubtedly, we will course-correct, refine and review packaging and pricing decisions as we go to make that happen.�
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...tv-explosion/#


Clear as mud :naughty:

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As you can't turn it off on the V+/TvDrive i can't see you being able to turn it off on tivo any time soon.

ie Anything recorded after 9PM if you want to watch earlier requires a pin.

Re: TiVo
 

in normal corporate terms that usually means .... 'we are sorry we hoped to reduce prices and make packages better but in real terms the packages are being reduced and the prices are increasing due to unforeseen circumstances'

:p:

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Disable apps, suggestions & wishlists and stop people going back in time on the EPG? Then it would be functionally similar to the V+ (although season-pass would be a bit beefed up in comparison to V+).

Or give people a V+ back without charge if they want it - but can't see this one happening. I'm sure VM want the hardware phased out, not on its way back to customers further down the line.

With regard to guide information - the actual information is pretty much the same as what the V+ gets now. Its the cleverness that TiVo achieves with that data that is the feature, not the data itself.

Re: TiVo
 

On V+ I think you can set the age rating so that it is less relevant and so infrequent. At work right now so cannot direct directly on the bix but I think that is how it works.

But if you want to watch an 18 rated programme during the day then yes the PIN request will come up as with V+ right now,so assume exactly the same on Tivo,or doesn't it have an age related control mechanism, or is the default set to 13 say and it just hasn' been chaned yet by those lucky Tivo users (not me yet!)

Re: TiVo
 

To the early adopters like a lot of us on here the 3.00 is not a big deal however to the bulk of VM customer base it will be when other companies can offer the same or better channel lineups with a free subscription free PVR.

Re: TiVo
 

Yes i think you are right it's just most of the programs i record are flagged as adult.. things like CSI, TrueBlood, etc..

But i do imagine it'll be the same with tivo, ie most stuff you record after the watershed will require a pin to watch during the day.

ie there is no way to turn it off completely.

Re: TiVo
 

I think there are ofcom rules (or is that just for films?) which dictate this type of approach so something VM have no choice over I'm afraid.

Re: TiVo
 

Just tried an 18 rated film I recorded off film 4 a week or so ago and plays with no problem and doesn't require a pin no.

Re: TiVo
 

That changes it then, can you post your parental control settings then please.

Re: TiVo
 

Oh right I see. I was just asking because now that more and more people are getting it I thought you might have had the NDA removed. I can't wait for Tuesday AM when mine is installed :)

Re: TiVo
 

I bet you are excited! :hyper:

Re: TiVo
 

Rated programmes----- Standard

Everything else------- OFF

'View recorded content' is the key one and that is OFF

I pretty much never watch anything live, so maybe why I don't have issues with PC

Re: TiVo
 

Same with the V+ box i think.
If you recorded it(not live) no pin is req.
I think the pin protection is to stop kids watching on air stuff
by accident when no adult is around.
If you have recorded it,it is up to you to make sure the kids
don't see it,not the broadcasters,just like a dvd in the house.