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well i suggested AJ who has at leat played and scored 20 goals in the prem and now Sven picks someone he has has said he has only seen play on video 3 times :Yikes: :Yikes:
At least he's seen AJ play and he is a proven striker as is Defoe must be hard to earn 5m a year :D Lennon and Downing i agree with although Downing has missed alot of the season read this http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/4752671.stm Sven has seen him play about three times in training :Yikes: If that's all it takes to get in the England squad i'd better book some holiday for June as i might get a call up |
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Rooney had played 20 odd games for Everton before he made his England debut, what made him most people aware of him - his goal against Arsenal - was 5 months before his debut. Owen had a full season at Liverpool before he made his. But I agree, it is exciting I look forward to seeing him play. Especially after stealing him from Arsenal for my Newcastle team in Football Manager. |
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Before Owen's debut in Feb 1998 (v Chile) he had played 33 games in the Premiership. (Next tournament that season). Walcott has only played 21 games, in the Championship, for Southampton. In my book that's substantially less. A player who hasn't played yet for his club or even in a top flight game. At least both Owen and Rooney had played, and scored, both for their Premiership club and for England before the world cup/Euros. Walcott has done neither. Comparing Walcott with Owen and Rooney is like comparing Pele with David Johnson (ie laughable). Mind you, even David Johnson has caps/goals (for Jamaica) and has played in the Premiership (for Ipswich). |
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Rooney scored that goal against Arsenal at 16 and had played about 20 games.. anyone got the stats on number of goals he had scored owen had played a full season pele had played about 2 seasons before the WC All the above had played in the top flight as well.. Walcott has played about 13 starts and 18 subs and only got 5 goals against championship level teams i was told AJ shouldn't be in the squad as he plays in the championship but at the moment so does Thoe.. Arsene didn't think he was good enough and couldn't take the pressure to play him for Arsenal in their final games |
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I have no doubt that he's talented, but is he ready for a World Cup if his manager doesn't yet think he is ready for the premiership? |
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Wenger didn't think he was good enough and couldn't take the pressure to play for them at the end of the season which i think says alot also surely the england manager should at least of seen him play in a full competitive match, or am i just being stupid there ? |
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It's not just about ability it's about the experience and having proved yourself at the highest level before being selected. Selecting Walcott is no more than selecting a lower division player for England. You wouldn't take Richard Cresswell would you? At least if Andy Johnson was going to be picked, he's played in the Premiership. Pearce and Merson were also picked for internationals when in the lower division but at least they had played in the side (and in Pearce's case, in a semi final of a world cup) and in the top flight beforehand. If you honestly think picking a player with practically no experience, or actually none in the top flight or international level, as potentially the second striker in the side is a good idea then I dunno. In fact, I'd rather take someone like Harewood, Beattie or even Defoe or Vassell because all of them have top flight or England experience. Walcott does not - yet - but does look an exciting prospect. He's 17. Maybe in 2 years time he'll be international quality. What about if he's the next Danny Cadamarteri? If you honestly think this is all a good idea then really I think you should get one of these. [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] |
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hm, what then happens if van der sar gets injured lol touch wood but we wouldn't have much cover if howards out on loan.
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Greenie on its way for giving me the biggest laugh of the week so far :D |
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i thought he may go on loan again
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Either him or Steele will be number 2 I imagine.
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gazzae take it your united fan? who do you think we need for midfield for summer.
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Reo-Coker would be a good signing.
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You never know maybe Scholes will finally learn how to tackle ;) As for Reo-Coker I think he has a lot of potential. And we all know what Rooney is like at dropping back to win the ball. ---------- Post added at 12:43 ---------- Previous post was at 12:38 ---------- Parker is another player we should be looking at, if he hadn't caught glandular fever I bet he would have been in the England squad |
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I think once he settles he will be a good signing. He was part of the so-called "Famous Four" defence that conceded only 1 goal during qualifying for the world cup. It's been claimed that Vidic is the best of the four.
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Engalnd have the best record in recent years with SGE managing them. I don't think he's the best manager ever, and he's made some questionable decisions in the past, but I think he's onto something with Walcott. How is Walcott going to get experience, unless he plays? If you're super talented, then experience won't really affect your playing. I really think he's going to be great. :tu: |
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But why do you think he is ready for the world cup if his club manager doesn't think he is ready for the premiership? |
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sven may have a better record with England than most but he also has the best talent pool since 66-70 and has only really got them as far as they would have with the bloke from down the pub in charge
he's shown himself up far too many times when the games get to the final stages and he doesn't have a clue what to do.. he barely even watches the matches think whem SM takes over there will be no change as he does all the training and that anyway which will show up how little Sven does.. plus at the moment what clubs are after Sven ? if you not good enough for the league then you not good enough for the WC either am willing to let him have a go during the friendly with Hungary at end of the month and see how he goes but he hasn't played a proper game this year and three friendlies hardley seems enough |
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Real M are overrated. I didn't think for a minute they'd beat Arsenal. As for Juventus, they're great, but that's about it. Barcelona are phenomenal. And will win. How do you come to the conclusion that AW is the best manager? Just because he got his team to a cup final? So has SM, JM won the league, and one of either AP & RB is bringing a cup home this weekend. So, where's your logic? |
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Where is my logic perhaps it is based on the fact that apart from this season he has never been out of the top two, the fact he went an entire season un-beaten, the fact that he has generated vast profits for the club despite working on a budget far lower than his rivals, the fact that he takes average players and makes the world class, his youth policy ect. and if they are not reason enough then look at who Jose targeted first as his main opposition not Alex Ferguson or until recently Rafa Benitez.
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Right so Alex Feguson has never been out of the top two, he has gone the season un-beaten, he is not a cheaque book manager that spends money instead of making it.
The fact is Arsene Wenger does it with one hand behind his back and still consistentley delivers the goods. |
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Actually I surport West Ham so technically I should despise Arsenal and under George Graham I did. So Man Utd's academey, how many have come through since the days of Beckham, Giggs, Brown ect. John O'Shea and Darren Fletcher that is the best in Europe. :rolleyes:
Right so by selling your best players every couple of years and not spending the income to replace them is not doing it at a massive disadvantage. |
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Including Walcott over Shaun Wright Phillips for example just makes a mockery of the argument that SWP hasnt been picked because he hasnt played enough games for Chelsea. Im sure I heard Sven mention that, can anyon confirm if its true?
Also what really suprises me is that he's said he's only seen Walcott play 3 times in training. I would say that the training pitch atmosphere would be a million miles away from that at ta real game, so is this really a good basis for inclusion? |
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He didn't pick him because everytime her played for Chelsea he was crap. |
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Who knows. No-one here does, so I'll stick to MO. |
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Sven is not really known for gambling is he, just seems strange to start now. |
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At least Walcott won't beat Whiteside's record. |
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Frankly, I thought we were doomed when Rooney bust his foot. And lost a lot of interest in the cup for a while. But I'm genuinely excited again now. SGE didn't do as everyone thought he would. He's mixed it up a little, got some interest back in it. :tu: |
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as someone else pointed out to me.. at the moment this is the squad of 30 that will be trimmed down so Walcott might not make it and the same can be said of Rooney and Owen
i'll give Theo a chance but would rather AJ or Defoe any day agree with Lennon though and based on last season Downing but he's missed a few games this season and have been told his form hasn't been great sure hope when we play Hungary at end of month Sven starts with a team of 10 first team starts and then Crouch and Theo so we can see how he fits in rather than play him in a team of 11 players that will never start together |
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But *if* it transpires that they were deliberately poisoned, don't you think it's only fair the replay goes ahead then?
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Spurs nutritional staff advised chefs at the Marriot on the meals, you would imagine they would also supervise the cooking to ensure everything was cooked correctly. I think Jol said he doesn't think it was foul play. |
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Whatever the circumstances, if it is discovered that it was malicious, don't you think a replay is justified then?
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Surprising....:erm:
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come on your Eagles
although we have got Borrowdale at LB :Yikes: :Yikes: |
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Who's floodlights nearly got sabotaged a few years back with the help of a corrupt club official at the behest of a Malaysian or other betting fix? |
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Apparently (take this as nothing more than a rumour) the Marriott until 18 months ago, was so worried about the safety of its minced beef that that guests ordering med-rare burgers had to sign a legal disclaimer - which was scrapped after negative publicity. The same article said that even if the tests proved the food made the players ill, then it would still be difficult to prove that this caused Spurs' losses. Ie difficult. Just having a look through the paper now to try and find it. ---------- Post added at 23:28 ---------- Previous post was at 23:24 ---------- Just found it. Mail, p7. |
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Derby and West Ham wasn't it? |
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still abit upset about the result.. if we had taken our chances in the first half at home we would have been three -nil up.. didn't defend well and watford scored when they had chances.. our heads dropped in the first lef after their goal and we never got back in the tie
can't see watford beating leeds though has anyone noticed that when a manager is sent off he just goes up to the stands now and gets his phone out so not alot changes.. some managers even watch from the stands anyway if a manager is to be sent off they need to go to a room with no TV or access to anyone and do the same thing if they are banned for the next match.. rememer Jose and the Bayern game and the bloke on the bench with the hat to ocer the earpiece.. not really a punishment with all the technology we have today.. this makes interesting reading on Walcott http://football.guardian.co.uk/world...770802,00.html as i said he hasn't been tested by anyone world class and got marked out of a championship game at QPR :Yikes: |
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Premier League replies to Spurs, they wanted a replay because two first teamers were sick!
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I still think it was more than six according to press reports:
Davids - played 90 Dawson - played 90 Keane - played 90 Carrick - went off ill 62 Lennon - played 90 Tainio - played 87 Barnard - played 14 Davenport - played 3 Cerny - dnp Huddlestone - dnp were affected. Spurs XVIs for the last three games: v W Ham: Robinson ,Kelly ,Dawson ,Gardner ,Lee (Barnard ,78 ) ,Lennon ,Carrick (Reid ,63 ) ,Davids ,Tainio (Davenport ,87 ) ,Keane ,Defoe Subs not used Cerny,Murphy, v Bolton: Robinson ,Stalteri ,Lee ,Dawson ,Gardner ,Murphy (Davenport ,86 ) ,Tainio ,Carrick ,Lennon ,Keane (Barnard ,45 ) ,Defoe (Reid ,78 ) Subs not used: Cerny,Huddlestone, v Arsenal: Robinson ,Stalteri ,Dawson ,Gardner ,Lee ,Lennon (Murphy ,77 ) ,Carrick ,Davids (sent off 85),Tainio ,Defoe ,Keane Subs not used Cerny,Naybet,Kelly,Barnard, Affected players in Bold. Either this is being misreported by the media or the PL have it wrong. Carrick went off with stomach cramps (and actually threw up in the tunnel) and Dawson looked iller than usual. As for Keane well he looked a bit off colour too. |
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According to the letter the facts on numbers who were ill were obtained after consultation with the Spurs team doctor.
I forgot the link in my earlier post, here it is... http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.ra...tfa_breadcrumb |
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Therefore - from seeing extended highlights of the game, and from the alleged list which is all we have to go on, and Jol's interviews the two players MUST be Dawson and Carrick. |
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Rumoured on 5Live this morning that it may not be food poisoning but a virus.
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http://www.nnuh.nhs.uk/viewLeaflet.asp?ID=71 basically there are two main kinds of 'food poisoning', one is caused by being infected with bacteria or viruses, which multiply in the body & cause the symptoms, the other is caused by eating food in which bacteria have already been growing & excreted toxins. The main difference is that the first type can take a while to 'incubate', while the second is likely to have a more rapid effect. |
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maybe the affected players indulged in a dodgy spit roast the night before?
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Yes but the THFC site says that the HPA have said that the results are also inconsistent - ie Norovirus (which does come from food) was found in some players samples but not others.
This one sounds like it will run and run... |
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Basically, and I'm not saying that this is what happened, it sounds like someone hasn't been following good hygiene practices :shrug: |
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Could be one spurs player had a kid with the ****s or something, caught it off the kid and before showing symptoms gave it to the rest of the squad... Could be anything really seeing as the test results are so inconsistent. |
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what do the man utd supporters on here make of United securing signings of two brazilian twins 15yrs old. Rafael and Fabio.
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You know, I'm coming round to the idea of Walcott being in the England squad. I wonder why...
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She's not in the squad though mate ;) It's him who is...
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