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1andrew1 05-08-2022 22:10
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130449)
In your mind, what characterises "extreme right wing"?
Tearing up international agreements, threatening to leave the ECHR, banning protests, deporting refugees to Rwanda, climate change denial...

Sephiroth 05-08-2022 22:49
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130450)
Tearing up international agreements, threatening to leave the ECHR, banning protests, deporting refugees to Rwanda, climate change denial...
Well, I wasn't asking you but I suppose there's value in receiving wider inputs.

In my mind, "extreme right wing" is a tendency toward forms of racism; a tendency toward autocracy; intolerance of various political thought or religions.

Your list doesn't come anywhere near a right wing ideology.

TheDaddy 05-08-2022 23:15
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130452)
Well, I wasn't asking you but I suppose there's value in receiving wider inputs.

In my mind, "extreme right wing" is a tendency toward forms of racism; a tendency toward autocracy; intolerance of various political thought or religions.

Your list doesn't come anywhere near a right wing ideology.
Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them

Sephiroth 05-08-2022 23:23
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130455)
Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them
Certainly the second point you made. But I don’t see the right to strike as being under threat - just a few sensible controls Around it.

TheDaddy 06-08-2022 00:11
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130456)
Certainly the second point you made. But I don’t see the right to strike as being under threat - just a few sensible controls Around it.
We've already got sensible controls, put it like this if the same measure was used to return MP's or councillors we wouldn't have any of them and that might not be a bad thing

OLD BOY 06-08-2022 14:18
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130455)
Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them
Obviously you don’t care one iota about the majority whose lives are disrupted by a selfish minority.

Oh, and incidentally, the government has not, and does not intend to ban protests.

Sephiroth 06-08-2022 15:19
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https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-would-add-vilification-of-uk-to-extremism-definition-if-he-becomes-prime-minister-12664848

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People who vilify the UK will be treated as extremists and could be referred to the government's Prevent programme if Rishi Sunak becomes prime minister.

In a new policy proposal to revive his flagging campaign, the Tory leadership hopeful has said he wants to widen the definition of extremism to include "those with an extreme hatred of our country".
A slippery slope indeed.

And then there's this (same link):

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Mr Sunak also announced proposals to "refocus" Prevent on to Islamic extremism, after the programme to stop terrorism was criticised for focusing too much on right-wing threats.

The former chancellor said Islamic extremism is "by far and away the single largest terror threat to the UK's national security" and accused Prevent of "failing on this front".

Mr Sunak said: "There is no more important duty for a prime minister than keeping our country and our people safe.
How about not allowing the terrorist army that is invading our shores in rubber boats that Saudi or Iran has paid for, who then abscond from their 4 star hotels and then regroup into the jihadist pot from whom we'll likely be hearing from shortly?

Hugh 06-08-2022 16:47
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You do realise that Saudi Arabia and Iran* hate each other, don’t you?

Since the Saudis think Iran is the biggest threat to stability in the wider Middle East, I think it unlikely that they are working with them to infiltrate our country…

*Iran is mainly Shia, and the Saudis are mainly Sunni

Paul 06-08-2022 16:53
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People who vilify the UK will be treated as extremists
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vilify
speak or write about in an abusively disparaging manner.
Does kinda sound a little extreme. :)

Sephiroth 06-08-2022 16:56
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36130480)
You do realise that Saudi Arabia and Iran* hate each other, don’t you?

Since the Saudis think Iran is the biggest threat to stability in the wider Middle East, I think it unlikely that they are working with them to infiltrate our country…

*Iran is mainly Shia, and the Saudis are mainly Sunni
Of course I know all that - and I never said that the two were in cahoots. But I'm willing to bet that both, particularly Saudi are orchestrating terrorism in the UK.

OLD BOY 06-08-2022 20:30
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People who vilify the UK will be treated as extremists and could be referred to the government's Prevent programme if Rishi Sunak becomes prime minister.
Some people on this Forum need to watch out!

Mr K 06-08-2022 20:39
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Some people on this Forum need to watch out!
Oh dear sounds a bit like 1939 again. Any criticism of the State will be crushed !

Qtx 06-08-2022 20:46
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Sounds like they want us to be like the Americans and be all patriotic.....your either with us or against us. So don't even think of using the hashtag #BrokenBritain or the police will be on your doorstop for a hate crime :P

Have you seen the clip of Sunak in Tunbridge Wells telling the people he has been diverting funds from the poorer areas to the wealthier areas while chancellor?

What amazes me is how thick Labour are. All they need to do is put someone half likeable as their leader and they will win the next election. They just can't manage one simple thing and couldn't back in the Corbyn days either, giving the Tories it on a plate.

We needed the Tories to get in power after Blair and Brown to sort some things out but they were left in power too long.

The lib dems lost all their supporters with the coalition and where they let down their core supporters by conceding some main promises. So they are fairly dead in the water still.

So either we needs a new party to come along who could win by being the least worst option or Labour needs to find someone with charisma and without a past that will haunt them and get their arses in to action and show they are still alive.

The state of politics is diabolical.

Mr K 06-08-2022 20:53
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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 36130498)
Sounds like they want us to be like the Americans and be all patriotic.....your either with us or against us. So don't even think of using the hashtag #BrokenBritain or the police will be on your doorstop for a hate crime :P

Have you seen the clip of Sunak in Tunbridge Wells telling the people he has been diverting funds from the poorer areas to the wealthier areas while chancellor?

What amazes me is how thick Labour are. All they need to do is put someone half likeable as their leader and they will win the next election. They just can't manage one simple thing and couldn't back in the Corbyn days either, giving the Tories it on a plate.

We needed the Tories to get in power after Blair and Brown to sort some things out but they were left in power too long.

The lib dems lost all their supporters with the coalition and where they let down their core supporters by conceding some main promises. So they are fairly dead in the water still.

So either we needs a new party to come along who could win by being the least worst option or Labour needs to find someone with charisma and without a past that will haunt them and get their arses in to action and show they are still alive.

The state of politics is diabolical.
Why do you need charisma? Just somebody competent would do, from any party would do.

We seem to be choosing leaders based on personality/tweets, rather than policies or their competences, like any other job.

All part of the dumbing down reality tv obsessed culture we've become.

Qtx 06-08-2022 21:09
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130499)
Why do you need charisma? Just somebody competent would do, from any party would do.

We seem to be choosing leaders based on personality/tweets, rather than policies or their competences, like any other job.

All part of the dumbing down reality tv obsessed culture we've become.
I'm with you on that but whether we like it or not, people will not vote for the most competent person if they have an unlikeable personality or no personality whatsoever, which is the vibe I get from Starmer. Its just how it is. So they need to do what they need to do to get the people who vote based on personality on their side and that means getting someone likeable as their leader

Media has brainwashed many in to this way of thinking. Its not really a consolation but im glad its not as bad as America where they tend to vote the same for life based on what their parents alignment was. Not much consolation when politics are as they are here


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