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That isn't the fault of those who voted to leave surely, the ones that didn't vote and who could obviously have made a difference to the outcome are the ones to blame.

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We have never dallied with compulsory voting in this country because we believe in the right of an individual to abstain - and an abstention must always mean abstention; it cannot and must not be co-opted as tacit support for one side or another.

This is the point at which it’s safe to just stop listening to any remainer who wishes to deliver lectures about democracy whilst attempting to steal the support of those who exercised their right not to vote.

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Well said.

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You raised numerous issues with few words, some well rehearsed and refutable, but others mistaken and laughable. Forgive me.

1. Yes, there were a minority of voices, some influential, who were federalist, but every single one of the 27 EU nations, including the homelands of those voices, were and are against the proposition of a United States of Europe. It would have taken generations for all those veto wielding 27 nations and their populations to convert to the idea of an EU state. Effectively, this was part of Leave's very own Project Fear, as was the unlikely accession of Turkey, an EU army, a German NAZI-style takeover and the infamous Tipping Point poster summatively encapsulating the threat of brown Kalashnikov-bearing hordes invading our civilisation in order to rape our women and girls! :mad: Yes! Farage, the 'Great Man' stooped that low!

2) Great men never use crude stereotypical photo-shopped images of brown, male refugees to trigger homegrown racists. Diminutive losers with toothbrush moustaches, a side parting and a massive chip on their shoulders do. Neither do great men entice the gullible with cuddly fantasies, such as an EEA Brexit, when they themselves have their sights on a much harsher reality. Here is a plausible Farage, the genius communicator, lying through his teeth to entrap the Leave waverers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtNr...ab_channel=LBC

3) Knowledge is good, Complexity is good, if it results in more choices. Time to reflect is good, if you want people to engage their intellect, rather than their emotions, in a big generational decision. All this is good. If the referendum had featured these things I would not be complaining so much, whatever the outcome. But it didn't. I find it very telling that you believe that extended choices, enhanced knowledge, opportunity to engage our intellects and time to reflect would have resulted in a Remain decision.

4) Yes, business will attempt to forge ahead. Rees-Mogg believes it will take up to 50 years for business to reap all the benefits of Brexit and for all the human cost, pain and damage caused by the transition to be deemed worthwhile. He won't care whether this happens or not, because he and his class are immune from the fallout, as are the billionaire owners of the Tory rags that conspired against the EU and conspired to misinform us all. In 50 years Mogg and I will be dead, my children dead or elderly and my grandchildren middle aged. I hope you can wait for the results of that shabby referendum to come to pass.

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I'm disappointed in your response Seph. Dismissing my contribution as a Remainer's whinge is a cop out. I use true fact as rationally as I can, and in some detail, because this subject doesn't deserve the intellectual laziness you just now deployed. Patriots cannot stand by and watch our country go down without comment and recommendations for the future.

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I would not be complaining (whinging). Oooops.

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Complain: express dissatisfaction or annoyance about something.

Whinge: complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way.

I would like to think that my complaining has been persistent only because the subject of my complaints is perennial and only those who disagree with me might find it irritating. Peevish? I am incandescent!

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Are you an activist? do you go out and protest your beliefs? Or do you think as a Patriot you do enough by discussing your beliefs on a technical based forum? If it is how I suspect and you do just express yourself in type then you are sitting by doing almost nothing

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5 1/2 + years of it isn't a complaint, it's definitely whinging.

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OK I have no problem with you complaining about something but when you persitently complain in a peevish or irritating way (as you do) then it is whinging.

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I used to be a Labour Party activist, campaigning for my local MP and acting as an agent for them and local councillor candidates. From 2015 I campaigned actively for Remain and went on most of the big London marches after the referendum. My particular angle was for honouring the referendum, albeit flawed, but to negotiate a customs union deal.

Since Starmer has made it clear that he is Tory-lite, and has used gross dishonesty to marginalise the left, I have left the Labour Party. I was likely to be kicked anyway, for protesting about the treatment of Corbyn. The party is doomed as a socialist force. I have joined the Greens, so now campaign for them in local elections but regularly go door-knocking with Zarah Sultana, our local Labour MP. I support her because she promotes the Green New Deal and she is is a committed socialist. I was out in the rain door-knocking with her yesterday.

Over the last 18 months I have been on protests against the current policing bill in that it attacks your right and my right right to protest peacefully and I have been on marches demanding real commitment from COP 26 members.

Generally, my politics is policy based, rather than tribal.



Any more ill-informed speculations about me?

Next!

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I am allowed to use some emotive language within the context of the subject, am I not? I thought shabby was a pretty good substitute for ill-thought-out, and you do get a sense of my feelings. At least I attack the issue and behaviors rather than label or demean the person. (That isn't an attack on you.)

Thank you for acknowledging my persistence. ;)

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As I say, those who disagree with me do find me irritating, mostly because my attention to detail, persistence and rationality unsettles them and their standpoint.

Peevish? That's an understatement. I'm frigging furious!!

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Well, thank God for that!

Well, at least you have set out where you have come from, roughbeast. I would simply say that if a staunch follower of Jeremy Corbyn considers that he would be good at running the country :Yikes: then goes on to say that he thinks we should have remained in the EU, we Brexiteers must have got something right!

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Just for the record, the Policing Bill does no such thing. What it does do is clamp down on disruptive protests, such as the ones we saw where Insulate Britain brought motorways to a halt. Peaceful protests that still allow people to carry on with their business will not be restricted under this legislation.

Most people were angry about these protesters making people late for work, to attend medical appointments, etc, and want to see this kind of disruption stopped. The government has listened to the people and introduced this Bill.

Just as the government listened when people said they wanted to be out of the EU. I think I’ve spotted a pattern here that indicates your attitude towards democracy. Am I right or am I right? :D

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Says the person who literally is unable to understand the point being made. Here's some bedside reading for you: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Supermajority

Of course, you don't need a qualified majority when you change the country but, it seems you do need one if you are a union member:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...ustrial-action

Sort of sums it up really