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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36050236)

I saw some of this performance on the news. Talk about dramatic! I thought he was having a funny turn!

Curse of the former leader, they're always more charismatic and likeable when they step down.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36050236)

I saw some of this performance on the news. Talk about dramatic! I thought he was having a funny turn!

What - did he wave a packet of kippers about or drive a JCB through a fake wall? ;)

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36050263)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I saw some of this performance on the news. Talk about dramatic! I thought he was having a funny turn!

What - did he wave a packet of kippers about or drive a JCB through a fake wall? ;)

@OLD BOY

You left yourself open there, OB!

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

It seems that that the 'Brexit food blockade' was nonsense;

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Behind the scenes the third country listing or 'food blockade' row isn't quite so dramatic. The EU wants the UK to provide details of its post-Brexit animal and plant health (SPS) rules by the end of next month. The UK says it will, and they'll basically be the same as now.

See Twitter thread here - https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/...80816627658752

Still, it got people riled up for a few days...

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36050355)

It seems that that the 'Brexit food blockade' was nonsense;

See Twitter thread here - https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/...80816627658752

Still, it got people riled up for a few days...

Good spot.

I think it was just being stretched by Boris to push MPs into voting for the amendment bill and to rally the gullible at a time when Track and Trace has issues.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36050355)

It seems that that the 'Brexit food blockade' was nonsense;
See Twitter thread here - https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/...80816627658752

Still, it got people riled up for a few days...

The EU know full well what the UK rules are.
So have the EU approved the arrangements and will they continue to do so in a reasonable way? Did the EU say that it wasn't certain that they would be approved? Those are the unanswered questions.

As far as the NI protocol is concerned there is a mass of decisions the Joint committee has yet to make.
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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has accused the European Union of threatening a trade border down the Irish Sea and a food blockade between Northern Ireland and the rest of country.
"We are now hearing that, unless we agree to the EU's terms, the EU will use an extreme interpretation of the Northern Ireland protocol to impose a full-scale trade border down the Irish Sea," Johnson wrote in an article that was published in the Daily Telegraph newspaper.

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Johnson said a blockade could occur unless the government agreed to terms put forward by the EU bloc. He said the EU was posing a risk to the UK and peace in Northern Ireland, where sectarian violence had mostly been kept at bay since the 1998 Good Friday Agreement. He stated he wanted a trade deal similar to that between Canada and the EU, adding that "if the EU is willing to offer these terms to Canada then it makes sense to offer the same to us."

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The European Commission is due to decide in the coming months on whether to allow British exports of live animals, products of animal origin, such as meat, fish, eggs and dairy products, and animal by-products to continue.
The granting of a "third country" licence to the whole of the UK had been seen as something of a formality, given the EU's similar arrangements with other nations.

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A Downing Street spokesman said: "It would be very unusual for the EU to go down this route and deny the UK listing.
"The right to export is the absolute basis for a relationship between two countries that trade agricultural goods. It is a licence to export and entirely separate from the issue of food standards."

So the EU yet haven't granted anything even though UK rules are same or similar, and certainly would've been the SAME at the start of the (non-)Transition phase.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36050360)

The EU know what the rules are now but don't have clarity on what they will be after the end of the year. As the Twitter thread says, the transposing of the EU rules into British law is due at the end of next month so it should be all straightforward once passed.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36050364)

The EU rules are forever changing so likewise we don't know what the EU rules will at that time. Do the EU know what various countries rules are going to be at that time? That would be, no they don't.
Still leaves whether the EU said that it wasn't certain they would approve anything, no matter what it was.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Government seems to be changing its tune on the EU not negotiating in good faith statements.

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Brandon Lewis confirms they believe the EU is negotiating with the UK in good faith

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...78269058936833

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36050366)

The EU rules are forever changing so likewise we don't know what the EU rules will at that time. Do the EU know what various countries rules are going to be at that time? That would be, no they don't.
Still leaves whether the EU said that it wasn't certain they would approve anything, no matter what it was.

Once again, what he actually said...

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In a statement following the latest round of talks on Thursday, the EU’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier said there were “many uncertainties” about the UK’s animal hygiene regime.

He said “more clarity” was needed if Britain was to receive the “third-country listing” entitling it to export animal products to the EU.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Hard for anyone to disagree with this summary. It's not quite the glorious turn of events that some forum members predicted, shall we say!

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All of this marks a fitting finale to Britain’s catastrophic mismanagement of the Brexit process, which started with the resignation of the prime minister who called the referendum without any plan for what would happen if he lost it (David Cameron); continued with his successor triggering a two-year countdown to Britain’s final withdrawal without any plan for what future relationship she wanted to negotiate (Theresa May); and was followed by her successor signing an international treaty without any guarantee of a future trade deal, only then to rip up this agreement when its consequences began to reveal themselves (Boris Johnson).

Regardless of the merits of Brexit, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that Britain’s leaders dealt themselves one bad hand after another—and proceeded to play them badly.

For those seeking clarity on the Irish issue, the source of this quote has a good explanation.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...mbling/616343/

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It’s pretty easy to disagree with the summary, seeing as it says BoJo has “ripped up” the WA ... which he very obviously hasn’t. I’ve seen some hyperbole this week but that’s a classic of the genre.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson, says this afternoon that the EU has not acted in good faith during the trade negotiations.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36050388)

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson, says this afternoon that the EU has not acted in good faith during the trade negotiations.

Earlier Brandon Lewis said they were - https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status...52362449903619 - warning, NWS language in the replies.

Things are crazy right now!

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

I do wonder if the slur at the EU was a classic dead cat distraction technique. Laura Kuenssberg noted:

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There is lots of interesting stuff in this liaison committee where PM facing Qs,, but I can't remember ever a PM not being able to answer if one of his ministers has resigned or not*. Followed swiftly by the PM saying he thinks the EU is negotiating in bad faith, even tho Brandon Lewis said this morning they were working in good faith - you wouldn't be blamed for thinking this is a bit mixed up

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak

*Lord Keen has indeed resigned, citing concerns with BoJo's amendments to the Withdrawal Agreement https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...bill-concerns/