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Hugh 18-09-2021 21:47
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36093604)
You’d only complain if I said it will happen.

:beer:

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No, they would offer the ‘linear’ broadcast channel due to the current level of broadband penetration. That makes absolute sense.

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It’s transitional, jfman. That’s because it’s only 2021.

Oh, and it costs billions to invest in a linear broadcast channel now, does it? Not long ago, you said it cost buttons to do so. I really hadn’t appreciated inflation was that out of control.
I was quoting the DAZN chairman Kevin Mayer, not you… :)

https://www.reuters.com/business/med...ys-2021-09-15/

jfman 18-09-2021 22:41
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36093604)
No, they would offer the ‘linear’ broadcast channel due to the current level of broadband penetration. That makes absolute sense.
Which is a round about way of saying the customers aren’t there. The business mode isn’t there.

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It’s transitional, jfman. That’s because it’s only 2021.

Oh, and it costs billions to invest in a linear broadcast channel now, does it? Not long ago, you said it cost buttons to do so. I really hadn’t appreciated inflation was that out of control.
As you well know, it’s the broadcast part that is buttons.

The contracts BT hold, plus the customer base (and the leap towards an actual business model) that costs more.

I could set up a stall selling fake Pepsi. The fact it looks like Pepsi and I’ve got no customers doesn’t mean I’d command the share price of actual PepsiCo.

OLD BOY 18-09-2021 23:42
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36093624)
Which is a round about way of saying the customers aren’t there. The business mode isn’t there.

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I don’t dispute that, so I don’t understand your point. Until high speed broadband is rolled out across the whole country, a supplementary broadcast channel is necessary.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36093624)

As you well know, it’s the broadcast part that is buttons.

The contracts BT hold, plus the customer base (and the leap towards an actual business model) that costs more.

I could set up a stall selling fake Pepsi. The fact it looks like Pepsi and I’ve got no customers doesn’t mean I’d command the share price of actual PepsiCo.
So how do you reconcile that with your comment? Let me remind you:

‘While OB relies heavily on the word possibly and twists DAZN’s potential to invest billions in a linear television let’s consider other news articles that have happened recently.’

Hugh 18-09-2021 23:46
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36093639)
I don’t dispute that, so I don’t understand your point. Until high speed broadband is rolled out across the whole country, a supplementary broadcast channel is necessary.

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So how do you reconcile that with your comment?
Could be a while, then…

From April this year - https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8392/

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The Government’s target has reduced

The Government’s 85% target, announced in November 2020, is a reduction from its original aim to deliver nationwide gigabit broadband coverage by 2025.

The Government told the Commons Digital Culture Media and Sport (DCMS) Committee that it expects the new target to be met by the telecoms industry delivering 80% coverage by 2025. It said the reduced target reflected how quickly it expected industry could build in areas requiring public funding alongside their commercial roll-out.

The reduced target has been described as a “blow to rural communities”. The Public Accounts Committee raised concerns that rural areas could be ”locked out of gigabit broadband for years to come”.

OLD BOY 18-09-2021 23:57
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36093641)
Could be a while, then…

From April this year - https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8392/
I am aware of that, and this will clearly impact on my original pronouncements on the speed of changing over to streaming only. To what extent, it’s too early to tell.

There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that if government priorities result in a slowdown in broadband rollout, this will inevitably impact on the streaming only future that I have put forward.

jfman 19-09-2021 00:10
Re: The future of television
 
You know the linear broadcasting bit is tiny, right? Like none of the text and tits channels cost billions to run.

OLD BOY 19-09-2021 00:20
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36093653)
You know the linear broadcasting bit is tiny, right? Like none of the text and tits channels cost billions to run.
I’m still trying to digest the contradiction in your posts between the ‘buttons’ and the ‘billions’.

You are all over the place, mate.

jfman 19-09-2021 07:03
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36093659)
I’m still trying to digest the contradiction in your posts between the ‘buttons’ and the ‘billions’.

You are all over the place, mate.
I think you should switch off at 10pm rather than continue late night ramblings OB. I’ve been clear throughout that linear channels cost buttons to run relative to the cost of content.

Your persistent wilful misinterpretation of my posts is both tedious and time consuming.

OLD BOY 19-09-2021 09:06
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36093680)
I think you should switch off at 10pm rather than continue late night ramblings OB. I’ve been clear throughout that linear channels cost buttons to run relative to the cost of content.

Your persistent wilful misinterpretation of my posts is both tedious and time consuming.
I interpret your posts as they are written. If you want to be wilfully vague or obtuse, you are succeeding wonderfully.

jfman 19-09-2021 10:13
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36093687)
I interpret your posts as they are written. If you want to be wilfully vague or obtuse, you are succeeding wonderfully.
Anyone can use the search facility to find countless posts where I state content is the main cost of any broadcaster regardless of distribution method.

Your word play doesn’t distract the rest of us from the fact DAZN investing in BT is a retreat from the glorious streaming future not progress towards it.

Hugh 19-09-2021 12:31
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...bcab4cb96469de

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The removal of John Whittingdale, a keen advocate of the privatisation of Channel 4, as minister of state now calls that plan into question. “It wouldn’t surprise me if Boris just ditches that,” said someone who knows Johnson well. “It’s not that popular with the backbenchers, unlike bashing the BBC. I can see No 10 deciding that’s not a fight worth having.”

No 10 sources say the move does not signal an intention to change direction but it is understood that the public consultation has led to enough opposition to give Dorries the political cover to ditch it.

jfman 06-10-2021 09:12
Re: The future of television
 
From the ESPN… thread.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096035)
BT plan to complete their rollout by 2026 and Virgin by 2028. As far as remotest communities are concerned, they could all be covered by satellite broadband, but I’m unsure whether there are any plans for that.
Yes the commercially viable rollout - this is significantly less than national coverage provided by the current broadcast methods.

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The remotest communities didn’t even get hooked up to the electricity until relatively recently, and some may still not have an electricity supply. I don’t see why the absence of broadband in these areas would prevent streaming only services to become widespread, as buckeye said, and so I remain of the view that Premiere League sports will be streamed only before many people think.
Streaming services are already “widespread” OB - nobody is disputing that they can or they will. The only dogmatic point anyone holds is that you have that linear must end.

A few hundred thousand homes would be a critical mass from which it would still be viable for Sky, BT or anyone else to maintain a linear presence of key content.

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The only question is which streaming services will they be? Clearly, Amazon and DAZN are already committed. Disney and Discovery are also hot contenders.
And Sky also stream, I fail to see why that gets discounted almost every time you consider a who’s who of broadcasting. You seem to view streaming as distinct from the television market as a whole which I’ve reminded you on a number of occasions it isn’t. The vast, vast majority of viewers use all the tools at their disposal (streaming, linear, recording) to enjoy TV.

Clearly DAZN are committed to linear broadcasting if they are weighing in to the tune of billions.

OLD BOY 06-10-2021 11:34
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36096039)

And Sky also stream, I fail to see why that gets discounted almost every time you consider a who’s who of broadcasting. You seem to view streaming as distinct from the television market as a whole which I’ve reminded you on a number of occasions it isn’t. The vast, vast majority of viewers use all the tools at their disposal (streaming, linear, recording) to enjoy TV.

Clearly DAZN are committed to linear broadcasting if they are weighing in to the tune of billions.
I’m sure you are getting muddled here, jfman. Of course Sky and others stream. There is no dispute about that.

If conventional TV costs buttons, then clearly the billions you are talking about must relate to content, which in turn can be used for streaming only when the conventional channels close. In the meantime, both services will operate side by side.

jfman 06-10-2021 11:45
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096057)
I’m sure you are getting muddled here, jfman. Of course Sky and others stream. There is no dispute about that.

If conventional TV costs buttons, then clearly the billions you are talking about must relate to content, which in turn can be used for streaming only when the conventional channels close. In the meantime, both services will operate side by side.
It does indeed relate largely to content (and existing customer base). If it were as easy as you continuously claim a streamer would just sit back and pick off the rights one by one. However we both know there’s no business model that can fund top end rights that excludes a proportion of the population by not being technology neutral.

Taf 07-10-2021 17:08
Re: The future of television
 
Sky Glass Pricing.

43" - £649 upfront or £13 per month

55" - £849 upfront or £17 per month

65" - £1,049 upfront or £21 per month

And what do I need on top?

Sky Ultimate TV (required) - £26 per month

Sky Cinema - £11 per month

Sky Sports - £25 per month

Sky Stream puck - £50 upfront and £10 a month to stream on TVs in other rooms


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