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denphone 22-03-2019 12:42
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35988141)
Presumably April 12th with May's Deal including the later date if it passes.

---------- Post added at 12:31 ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 ----------

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/st...60955202338816



Might explain why the EU give us so many options. They want to ensure we, not they, take responsibility for No Deal. May would rather the EU take the blame.
That is utterly typical of May all along as she puts the blame on everybody else whilst absolving herself of any responsibility.

papa smurf 22-03-2019 12:43
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35988145)
FT saying that Conservative MPs will expect Theresa May to step down if her deal is not passed.
https://www.ft.com/content/98ec4fc6-...9-6917dce3dc62
Who is the replacement expected to be ?

denphone 22-03-2019 12:46
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35988148)
Who is the replacement expected to be ?
Who do you want it to be?.

Chris 22-03-2019 12:52
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35988141)
Presumably April 12th with May's Deal including the later date if it passes.

---------- Post added at 12:31 ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 ----------

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/st...60955202338816



Might explain why the EU give us so many options. They want to ensure we, not they, take responsibility for No Deal. May would rather the EU take the blame.
I think she’s starting to wonder whether it’s the only way out of the Groundhog Day scenario she’s created, and it would certainly explain why the EU rowed back from its first draft agreement which stated 22 May as a conditional deadline and offered no unconditional deadline at all. In that scenario there was a clear incentive for the DUP and the ERG to keep holding out.

In the present scenario, there is still some incentive for her to try to win round enough of the MPs who are wavering in the middle, though that’s still a tall order. From the EU’s point of view they can simply say that with the small unconditional delay they did nothing to heighten the risk of No Deal.

papa smurf 22-03-2019 12:55
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35988150)
Who do you want it to be?.
Not sure it's a good time to change ,plus who would accept the poison chalice at this stage of the game.

GrimUpNorth 22-03-2019 13:03
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35988113)
No it is not.

Also - How many times do I have to say this?

Their votes on amendments are not legally binding!!!

Only Theresa May can revoke Article 50, she cannot be forced to do so by any amendment vote in parliament. The Government is the Executive and it can only put forth Primary Legislation. Any private members Bill that attempts to change Statutes, the Government still has one last Nuclear option, as it is the Executive, it can advise the Queen to veto any Bill and it will not receive Royal Assent, no assent, means it won't pass in to law.
Of course, the queen could decide she's had enough and give TM the finger at the same time as giving a private members bill Royal Assent. Apparently it last happened in 1708 so it's as good (modern!!) a precedent as the speaker stopping MV3.

Dave42 22-03-2019 13:09
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35988145)
FT saying that Conservative MPs will expect Theresa May to step down if her deal is not passed.
https://www.ft.com/content/98ec4fc6-...9-6917dce3dc62
they had there chance to remove her and lost

Plan for MPs to get votes on seven Brexit options if Theresa May's deal defeated again

https://news.sky.com/story/plan-for-...again-11672593

jfman 22-03-2019 13:17
Re: Brexit (New).
 
2nd referendum and revoke on the table!

Damien 22-03-2019 13:24
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35988151)
I think she’s starting to wonder whether it’s the only way out of the Groundhog Day scenario she’s created, and it would certainly explain why the EU rowed back from its first draft agreement which stated 22 May as a conditional deadline and offered no unconditional deadline at all. In that scenario there was a clear incentive for the DUP and the ERG to keep holding out.

In the present scenario, there is still some incentive for her to try to win round enough of the MPs who are wavering in the middle, though that’s still a tall order. From the EU’s point of view they can simply say that with the small unconditional delay they did nothing to heighten the risk of No Deal.
We seem to be back to last week/earlier this week (who can keep track) where a long extension is still on the table and if the ERG will bank what they have or a confident enough that No Deal will emerge from Parliamentary chaos in the days to come.

As for May I am not entirely sure she has much of a plan or logic left. It seems like she is surviving day to day and is almost stuck in a loop with this deal because it's all she has and all she can personally entertain. Even pulling the vote and preparing for No Deal she can't do hence the suggestion she might want the EU to do it for her.It's also possible she still thinks all the domestic things she wanted to do she'll still be able to do and it's not sinking in that her Premiership is likely over soon. Just at a human level the last two years have been brutal for her.

GrimUpNorth 22-03-2019 13:24
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988156)
2nd referendum and revoke on the table!
Very surprised TM is even considering giving the indicative votes because she knows she's not going to like (some of) the results.

Chris 22-03-2019 13:25
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988156)
2nd referendum and revoke on the table!
To (mis)quote your own point from last night ...

Whose table?
Amber Rudd? David Gauke?

papa smurf 22-03-2019 13:28
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35988159)
To (mis)quote your own point from last night ...

Whose table?
Amber Rudd? David Gauke?
The dining table next to the bowl of sour grapes ;)

Damien 22-03-2019 13:37
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988156)
2nd referendum and revoke on the table!
I don't think there is a majority in Parliament for these. A Customs Union and/or Norway are the only things I see passing but even then that'll be without much of the Governing party so how that can actually happen in practise is unknown.

papa smurf 22-03-2019 13:45
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35988161)
I don't think there is a majority in Parliament for these. A Customs Union and/or Norway are the only things I see passing but even then that'll be without much of the Governing party so how that can actually happen in practise is unknown.
I don't think it could be anything more than advisory.

jfman 22-03-2019 13:55
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35988159)
To (mis)quote your own point from last night ...

Whose table?
Amber Rudd? David Gauke?
Well played. Yes, it depends if that holds up and isnt just a threat.


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