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nomadking

10-01-2018 08:08

Re: Crisis in the NHS

Perhaps we should follow Scotland?

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The latest weekly figures show that just 78% of patients across Scotland were either admitted, transferred or discharged within the four-hour target time of 95% - that is the lowest since weekly figures began in February 2015.

Or perhaps not.

France?

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France has declared an epidemic as it battles its own subtype of influenza, which is different from the bug sweeping across the UK.
...
While Britain has been hit hard by the flu, the situation is even worse in France.
According to FranceInfo, nearly 11,500 people visited hospital or A&E with flue-like symptoms in the last week of 2017.

Switzerland?

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Switzerland is in the grip of a flu epidemic after the number of cases of the viral infection increased in all parts of the country in the week before Christmas.

The problems occur EVERYWHERE that the different flu viruses are active.

Mr K	10-01-2018 13:43

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35931791)

The problems occur EVERYWHERE that the different flu viruses are active.

I don't think there are many first world countries having to delay cancer treatment because of a lack of staff.

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A leading NHS hospital is delaying chemotherapy for cancer patients and those who are terminally ill face cuts to their treatment because of a chronic shortage of specialist nurses, according to a leaked memo.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...taff-t6nswqm5b

Mr K	11-01-2018 17:00

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Patients are dying in hospital corridors as safety is compromised by "intolerable" conditions, doctors say.

The warning has been made in a letter to the prime minister signed by 68 senior A&E doctors, spelling out the danger patients are facing this winter.

It comes as reports have emerged of people being left for hours on trolleys in corridors and stuck in ambulances.

And hospital bosses said they had run out of beds as they battle with "very high" rates of flu.

Official figures show the number of hospital admissions from flu has risen by more than 50% in the past week in England, although Public Health England officials said the levels were certainly not "unprecedented".

Instead, hospital bosses have blamed the bed shortages on a lack of money and staff.

Last week, there was a point when 133 out of 137 hospital trusts in England had an unsafe number of patients on their wards, NHS records show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572116

This is getting horrendous if people can't even die with dignity. The govt. seem to be using flu as the excuse, but a bad flu winter was predicted months ago. What extra provision was made ?

denphone

11-01-2018 17:20

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35932027)

Absolutely unacceptable no matter what ones politics is as the big flashing warning signs had been there for a long while.

nomadking

11-01-2018 17:39

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35931830)

I don't think there are many first world countries having to delay cancer treatment because of a lack of staff.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...taff-t6nswqm5b

I have highlighted instances around the world where there are medical staff shortages. That is likely to cover ALL areas, so it's likely they DO have similar delays.

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How does NHS treatment for cancer patients measure up to that in France, where overall survival rates are higher?

That was from 2007, after 10 years of a Labour Government with their post-2000 splurge on spending.

Mr Banana

11-01-2018 18:19

Re: Crisis in the NHS

My daughters a Nurse in Edinburgh, she reckons 4 out of 10 of the people she sees, leave without needing any treatment. Think we are a large part of the problem.

heero_yuy

11-01-2018 18:30

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35932031)

My daughters a Nurse in Edinburgh, she reckons 4 out of 10 of the people she sees, leave without needing any treatment. Think we are a large part of the problem.

Generation snowflake: A sneeze and it's ebola, tiny cough and straight to the GP demanding antibiotics, smallest cut and it's tetanus.

Whatever happened to first aid and common sense?

No wonder the NHS is collapsing under the strain of non-illness.

Mr K	11-01-2018 18:37

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35932032)

yes, they must be snowflakes if they are dying in corridors. As for waiting for cancer treatment, they should have more patience I guess.

heero_yuy

11-01-2018 18:39

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35932034)

yes, they must be snowflakes if they are dying in corridors. As for waiting for cancer treatment, they should have more patience I guess.

Point. Missed. :rolleyes:

If the NHS wasn't overwhelmed by snowflakes then the desperately ill would get the treatment that they need.

Mr K	11-01-2018 18:41

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35932036)

Point. Missed. :rolleyes:

If the NHS wasn't overwhelmed by snowflakes then the desperately ill would get the treatment that they need.

A&E does not represent the whole of the NHS. It's you that's missed the point.

OLD BOY

11-01-2018 18:42

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35932032)

Which is why there should be an upfront charge applied to time wasters.

dilli-theclaw

11-01-2018 18:48

Re: Crisis in the NHS

It does seem odd when I get admitted for having a lump on my knee! Seems a bit excessive to me.

denphone

11-01-2018 18:48

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35932038)

Which is why there should be an upfront charge applied to time wasters.

And how would they decide if they are timewasters or not? as its not as simple as ABC especially if some get sent packing only to come back with a serious illness that was not diagnosed and picked up when they were there the last time.

heero_yuy

11-01-2018 18:52

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35932043)

It does seem odd when I get admitted for having a lump on my knee! Seems a bit excessive to me.

But you have mitigating circumstances.

I'm talking about the huge base load of non problems that people used to be able to deal with themselves. This just overloads the NHS unnecessarily.

Just throwing ever spiraling amounts of money at it is not the solution.

Mr K	11-01-2018 18:58

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35932047)

Just throwing ever spiraling amounts of money at it is not the solution.

Jeremy Hunt thinks that's the solution, although it has taken him a while to come up with that genius idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-winter-crisis

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Jeremy Hunt has acknowledged the NHS will need “significantly more funding” over the next decade, as he faced calls from Labour to quit for losing the confidence of doctors, patients and the prime minister.

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