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Ignitionnet 20-09-2015 13:21
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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35799063)
Wonder if he has thought how much it will cost to do that. I assume the likes of Virgin trains won't simply write off the 1.5 billion investment they have made in 70 new trains for the west coast line, over the last few years?
You did read this part of the post you quoted, right?

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Mr Corbyn will announce that each route would be renationalised when its franchise expired.
I imagine the current operating companies would be entitled to no compensation at all.

Renationalising the railways is a policy that carries support across the political spectrum. It's not a controversial policy in any way. A pretty safe one for Corbyn to advertise, actually.

Mr Banana 20-09-2015 15:07
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35799084)
You did read this part of the post you quoted, right?



I imagine the current operating companies would be entitled to no compensation at all.

Renationalising the railways is a policy that carries support across the political spectrum. It's not a controversial policy in any way. A pretty safe one for Corbyn to advertise, actually.
Yes I did read that part hence my question how much will it cost to renationalise. You assume they will no compensation but that's not the question.Virgin Trains/Stagecoach paid 4.8 billion for the franchise, spent 1.7 billion on trains and x millions on station upgrades. Do you assume they will just hand that across to the government or will the government have to pay for the infrastructure they inherit?

TheDaddy 20-09-2015 15:22
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35799060)
Whilst I mostly agree with you, I think the Kuwaitis, Iraq Marsh Arabs, and the Kurds may disagree with you on the point I highlighted.
At the time we went to war he wasn't a threat to his people or his neighbours, not that it was one of the rationales used for war, it just became convenient once the lies and myths about wmds were exposed, if we gave a toss about the people there we'd have toppled him when he was at he's worst not when the country was stable

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rati...r_the_Iraq_War

Damien 20-09-2015 15:22
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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35799107)
Yes I did read that part hence my question how much will it cost to renationalise. You assume they will no compensation but that's not the question.Virgin Trains/Stagecoach paid 4.8 billion for the franchise, spent 1.7 billion on trains and x millions on station upgrades. Do you assume they will just hand that across to the government or will the government have to pay for the infrastructure they inherit?
I believe the plan is to take over the franchises when the terms expire.

TheDaddy 20-09-2015 15:24
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35799061)
Along with the UN, which agreed to sanctions and a no-fly zone. How long should sanctions have gone on for?
How long should the civil war go on for? The sanctions would have remained in place as long as saddam was in place no matter how compliant he was with our demands. Another cynical ploy to get the Iraqis to do our dirty work for us after leaving them in the lurch after gulf war 1, I tell you if there is ever an accounting for what you've done America amongst others won't like the price they have to pay

papa smurf 20-09-2015 16:14
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35799109)
I believe the plan is to take over the franchises when the terms expire.
the problem would be once they take the first franchise back the others will stop investment and simply run them down .

Osem 20-09-2015 16:48
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I reckon that would do as much for rail users as what Miliband did for the utilities customers by announcing he'd be imposing price controls if elected.

heero_yuy 20-09-2015 17:05
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It always amazes me how gullible people think that nationalisation will miraculously make a service cheap and better.

At best the price will fall by the profit margin of the private company, typically 5% or so. Any further reduction would have to be subsidised by the taxpayer. i.e YOU.

Unifying a service in the state sector would simply make it vulnerable to strike action by unions. Do we really want to go back to the bad old 70's?

Ramrod 20-09-2015 17:15
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it would be illegal under EU law to renationalise the railways due to European Union directive 2012/34/EU”.

This was immediately followed up with a press statement from UKIP’s Transport Secretary Jill Seymour, who said: “As long as we remain members of the European Union, Britain is simply not allowed to do this.”
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I detest Corbyn & don't want railways renationalized but I hate the EU and all their rules that they impose on us so I'm really conflicted over this.......:D

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Spare us from this moronic, deluded dinosaur:
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McDonnell....names Karl Marx’s Das Kapital as a key influence on his thinking
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:banghead::rolleyes:

Damien 20-09-2015 17:45
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35799116)
the problem would be once they take the first franchise back the others will stop investment and simply run them down .
Which they pretty much do anyway. Besides the largest part of investment in the Rail network still comes from the Government.

heero_yuy 20-09-2015 17:48
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35799136)
Which they pretty much do anyway. Besides the largest part of investment in the Rail network still comes from the Government.
Links please.

Damien 20-09-2015 18:03
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35799138)
Links please.
I don't have a breakdown of it but I find it hard to believe that this isn't the case when HS2, Crossrail and National Rail are all government funded (although National Rail obviously gets money from the franchises). I mean where do the train companies have signifiant investment in the network? It seems only in rolling stock.

Just last year the Government announced £38 billion in more investment aside from the aforementioned projects: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...lways-unveiled

Every large scale investment comes from the Government.

heero_yuy 20-09-2015 18:11
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There's a shedload of difference between a major infrastrucure investment such as HS2 and the day to day investment in the rail services that people actually use.

Osem 20-09-2015 18:32
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Would that be a railway shed though? :)

nomadking 21-09-2015 03:32
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Just spotted this on a website that lists upcoming TV progs on UK TV.:D
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Have I Got News For You, Season 50 - BBC One
02 October 2015
Paul and Ian are back with ten more episodes of the popular comedy panel show. The first episode is hosted by the new leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Clarkson.


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