Originally Posted by KN4995 (Post 34189754)

I appreciate this thread has a particular flavour, so apologies for going elsewhere with it and for butting in. I just didn't want to start another thread.

Just been more than a bit disappointed that the administrator of another forum I have been using for the best part of a decade, has made a post with not just the link to the mobile phone footage of Saddam, but an embedded YouTube video - fortunately it's not an autostarter.
Why anyone would want to see that is beyond me?
:( :confused: :td:

Originally Posted by Chris T (Post 34189773)

The more it becomes an international controversy, and the more you hear people on TV and radio talking about it, the more likely folks are to say to themselves, "well, I suppose I should go and see what all the fuss is about then." However, that's a world apart from embedding the video into a forum post where plenty of people who didn't want to see it are likely to trip over it.

Even so, it all rather reminds me of the stories of nice little old grannies sitting by the gilloutine doing their knitting and watching while the toffs got their heads separated from their shoulders. Of course, if normal, civilised, nice people go to watch an execution, then it must be ok for everyone else to watch too, eh?

Originally Posted by Towny

I'm not going to watch it myself. I'm one of those (apparently shrinking) number of people who thought the point in history when we abandoned public executions in this country was a civilised step forward.

The treatment of the vanquished Saddam Hussein should have been a chance for those who replaced him to show that thier way is better than his. On the current evidence, they're not doing very well at all. At least the antics that took place within Saddam's gruesome torture chambers and gallows didn't have a tendency to leak out via the WWW or the world media.

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34189779)

I can see where you're coming from, but on the subject of being better or equal to his way, at least from what I've heard hanging (trap door method rather than strangulation) is quick and relatively painless, compared with his way of doing it (wood chipper, beaten to death, etc).

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34189827)

Saddams opponents are probably no better, if they were in power they would of probably done exactly the same things to their rivals.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34189827)

I saw it, and it looked a fairly quick death.

There didn't appear to be any strangling, the trap door seemed very effective and there was a very long drop. ie. a long length of rope.

As I have said in the past, I couldn't watch an animal being treated badly but a viscious vile person is another matter. What do people really expect, how do they expect people to act from these sort of countries.

That in my mind is the biggest problem, people seem to judge these people by their own standards that we have in a civilised country. Saddams opponents are probably no better, if they were in power they would of probably done exactly the same things to their rivals.

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34189867)

I live in a free and democratic country for I have the power of choice and change. ? . Maybe .

Democracy and freedom is the illusion that we need to give the masses to empower them for we govern and have true power to judge and execute power. Empowerment is a prerequisite to stabilize those without power.

A basic economy also gives them the false illusion of wealth for we are the ones who hold the key chips and markers.

FEAR ! Media has delivered the last mass entrapment weapon of mass destruction. Fear the masses even sacrifice a few what the heck they are expendable with respects to our multi billion dollar enterprise - theres nothing like a little fear to re-endorse ideals of Freedom, democracy and protection of our way of life(I mean enterprise).

Consider us all required entities on a production line without us cohesively working together our great free and democratic country would not be what it is today. You may strongly disagree that you do not have a hand to any of the atrocities / poverty dotted around the globe but unfortunately you do.

How then can a new born baby born to a first gen country be accountable to someones hunger in a third world country ? Think a little hard in terms of the economic impact of that childs birth and slightly stir with 'Chaos' unification theories.

Anyway to the point 'Sadam' - Another execution fresh off the production line it's not the first and will not be the last just don't get upset when said terrorist decides to bomb us personally.

The unfortunate thing is that the terrorist thinks that the action will grab the attention of those who govern without realizing that those injured and killed were somehow directly responsible for their own personal grievousness... Hold on a sec it's a "democracy" and an attack on our way of life. Let the masses stand strong and let's sacrifice a few more pawns - this is how our enterprise works.

" I just wish I was REALLY free from all this "

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34189880)

Phew - and I thought I was cynical......

As Winston Churchill once said
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those others that have been tried."

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34189857)

Mmmmmmmm.......

Fairly sweeping statements.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34189894)

Before everyone has a go at me or twisting what I am pointing out, just look at the actions of the people in places like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon etc. I was flamed before for saying these countries are third world countries, its nothing to do with the technology they have but everything to do with the attitude in these countries.

Life is not important but religion is.:confused: