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As for smokers who live to a grand old age - yes, I've known a couple of them myself. But again, the fact that you can point to an anomaly does not in any way change the statistics. And until we understand why some people get away with it, I'm frankly amazed that some people want to play Russian Roulette with their lives. |
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Of course they're not addressed - it doesn't suit their agenda does it?...:dozey: |
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As said above, those factors have an impact on our lifestyles, but so what? It's not relevant to this debate, it doesn't take away from the danger of smoking and above all, we cannot address them all in one fell swoop. The whole point of this thread is to address whether or not people should be allowed to smoke in enclosed public places, because of the effects of passive smoking. Issues such as obesity and stress do not directly affect the health of others. |
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I'm still waiting for someone to come up with some real stats relating to deaths caused by alchohol and deaths by smoking. The only think I could find this morning was '1 bar worker dies per week from passive smoking' and '85k people die a year from smoking related illnesses'.
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If you want to start a campaign for alcohol awareness, obesity awareness, drug abuse or whatever, then please do. If you want to start threads on any or all of the above, be my guest. I expect I will fully support what you have to say. But *none* of it will in any way diminish the danger of tobacco smoke, and the only issue under discussion here is what should be done about tobacco smoking. |
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Why is every life threatening illness, disease, addiction etc being thrown into the pot here?
Obesity is bad. Those that promote obesity - parents, manufacturers, caters etc - are to be derided. But what the flippin' 'eck Tucker has this got to do with smoking which impacts not just on those that enjoy it. Alcohol etc etc etc. There are lots of health issues out there. This is one of them You lot be crazy folks. ;) :) Chill. __________________ And go easy on ChrisT. Scotland has the highest heart disease and crime rates in the UK. And, speaking from very recent personal experience, the worst weather (yeah, I know yesterday was the hottest Scottish October day ever, ever - but we were leaving then.) |
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Please remember that this debate is about passive smoking anyway. And that is easy to resolve. Stop smoking in public places. Job done. |
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You should have dropped in for tea. :) You can understand why things are so bad here when you see so many people queueing to buy fish and chips just to eat for their regular lunch during the week. I buy fish and chips once in a blue moon because I know what regular substance abuse (in this case cholesterol and saturated fat!) can do to my bod. There is no doubt that this is a big factor in Glasgow's heart disease problem. There is, furthermore, no doubt that smoking is a big factor (a higher proportion of the population smokes in this part of the country than in the UK as a whole). @Slackdad also ... you can see from the above, I'm not ignorant about the integrated nature of these problems. But I don't consider that to be a reason to do nothing about any one part of the problem. In fact, you see health awareness public information films on TV in Scotland far more than you do in England. But as I've said before, it's a matter of degrees - the research and the statistics say that smoking is the major component of the problem, and it's therefore logical, given that it is such a big problem, that it is tackled with extreme measures. I for one am delighted that the Scottish Executive has decided not to tiptoe around this issue and will be introducing a complete blanket ban from next April. I am looking forward to being able to go to cafes (I don't get out to pubs much at the mo) with my young children and not to have to worry about which way the smoke is drifting. At last, the perverse concept of smoking and non-smoking sections will be banished forever. |
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I remember once going to a Little Chef, back in the day when I was a smoker. I ate breakfast with my friends, and then went to the smoking area to have a cigarette. Which was literally the table next door, with a little separation wall (you know the type that's about 30cm higher than the table. I cringe with the memory. |
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