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jfman 18-06-2026 07:04
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36217607)
To be fair, the line about people in Gaza today not having voted for Hamas is a pretty blatant ordering of facts in order to prove a point not supported by those facts.

The lack of an election simply tells you that you don’t have an election to tell you what people think. It certainly does not tell you that 75% of Gazans don’t support Hamas, which is always the inference dangled by those who raise this point.

There are other ways of determining levels of support for Hamas in Gaza. Interviewing Gazans is a decent one. I don’t see too many of them willing to denounce Hamas.
In fairness it wasn't Hamas that bombed them into oblivion, which is probably their most immediate concern. If you asked them today support for armed struggle against Israel has probably gone up - it's a far easier choice if you have nothing left and will be collectively punished anyway.

Equally if Hamas - terrorists - were so all encompassing in terms if the administration of Gaza prior to this why would anyone civilian speak out to put themselves and their families at risk for the performative pleasure of people in the west indifferent to their destruction?

Chris 18-06-2026 07:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36217614)
In fairness it wasn't Hamas that bombed them into oblivion, which is probably their most immediate concern. If you asked them today support for armed struggle against Israel has probably gone up - it's a far easier choice if you have nothing left and will be collectively punished anyway.

Equally if Hamas - terrorists - were so all encompassing in terms if the administration of Gaza prior to this why would anyone civilian speak out to put themselves and their families at risk for the performative pleasure of people in the west indifferent to their destruction?
As always with this conflict, one picks one’s starting point for outrage, and off one goes ….

I’d argue that on 7/10/23 when thousands of them - and not all die-hard Hamas lifers - went on a raping, torturing, murdering spree around southern Israel, support for Hamas seemed pretty high, what with all the Ally Ackbar chanting that was broadcast round the world that day. The fact that when it came to retaliation, Israel was simply better at it should surprise nobody. And the idea that the IDF poured all those munitions into a situation with no back-story is for the birds.

And on the subject of starting points, the problem for Palestinian activists has never been 1967, it was always 1948. ‘From the River to the Sea’ claims the entire land as Palestinian and requiring to be freed from Jews. It is in the political DNA of every ethnic Arab who calls himself Palestinian. Even the relatively moderate Palestinians, the ones sane enough to be invited to treaty talks, always refused the two-state solution when it came to signing on the dotted line. Two states has never truly been on the table. Not in 1948, not at Camp David, not now.

Meanwhile, yes, I acknowledge, speaking out against Hamas has obvious risks. But turning a blind eye and letting them turn the whole of Gaza into an underground terror bunker hasn’t exactly worked out well for them either. Eventually a person has to make some honest appraisal of what’s in the best interests of his family. Golda Meir always believed “ Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.”

jfman 18-06-2026 09:27
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Perhaps one might suggest to Benjamin Netanyahu and his enablers that Golda Meir did not mean by his statement to set the bar as high as possible. Millions of displaced people have lost their homes, jobs, and family members at Israeli hands.

I’m not really sure why Palestinians should oppose tunnels being built - presumably these provide shelter in the event of Israeli air raids, and support wider logistical clandestine activities more generally while under military occupation.

The attitude appears to be that Palestinians should just take what’s coming to them and be grateful. Something no population, anywhere, is likely to do. Nobody would criticise Ukrainians for building tunnels, in their own land, and lobbing a grenade at a Russian from one.

This is a hypocrisy that will only make our own streets less safe in future years.

papa smurf 18-06-2026 10:20
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what a relief to see trumpalumpa signing americas surrender document,after the bigliest balls up since Vietnam, oohrah trumpalumpa's usa

Hugh 18-06-2026 10:29
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36217629)
what a relief to see trumpalumpa signing americas surrender document,after the bigliest balls up since Vietnam, oohrah trumpalumpa's usa

At Versailles, no less...


<cough, cough> don't mention any previous treaties signed at Versailles... <cough, cough>

Sephiroth 18-06-2026 11:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36217614)
In fairness it wasn't Hamas that bombed them into oblivion, which is probably their most immediate concern. If you asked them today support for armed struggle against Israel has probably gone up - it's a far easier choice if you have nothing left and will be collectively punished anyway.

Equally if Hamas - terrorists - were so all encompassing in terms if the administration of Gaza prior to this why would anyone civilian speak out to put themselves and their families at risk for the performative pleasure of people in the west indifferent to their destruction?

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Equally if Hamas - terrorists - were so all encompassing in terms if the administration of Gaza prior to this why would anyone civilian speak out to put themselves and their families at risk for the performative pleasure of people in the west indifferent to their destruction?
You’ve packed a whole load of gollox into that paragraph. In the previous paragraph, you mentioned the Gazan’s ‘immediate concern’. However, apart from the first three words, your 2nd paragraph ignores the trigger to Israeli retaliation: namely October 7th invasion and massacre in Israel.

The ‘west’ isn’t threatened with obliteration by Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. The west doesn’t have to make the hard choices facing Israel in dealing with these terrorists, who hide behind the civilian population. If the people of Gaza are so stupid (or scared?) as not to rise against Hamas, there is very little choice that Israel has in dealing with the existential threat facing them.

Chris 18-06-2026 11:45
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36217624)
I’m not really sure why Palestinians should oppose tunnels being built - presumably these provide shelter in the event of Israeli air raids, and support wider logistical clandestine activities more generally while under military occupation.
I have a hard time believing you really believe any of this.

For a public air raid shelter network these were remarkably well hidden, and very tunelly-connecty-placey rather than simply being deep shelters as you might hope, for civilian infrastructure.

And the ‘Gaza under occupation’ trope? Save it for the Buchanan Street soap dodgers my friend, literally nobody else buys that line.

Sephiroth 18-06-2026 12:02
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Who would need tunnels if they were not under bombing threat? No Hamas type regime, no bombing. Jfman is somewhat blunkered by the virtual keffiyah he might be wearing.



Carth 18-06-2026 12:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36217631)
At Versailles, no less...


<cough, cough> don't mention any previous treaties signed at Versailles... <cough, cough>
ooooh you little historian you ;)

jfman 18-06-2026 12:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36217637)
I have a hard time believing you really believe any of this.

For a public air raid shelter network these were remarkably well hidden, and very tunelly-connecty-placey rather than simply being deep shelters as you might hope, for civilian infrastructure.

And the ‘Gaza under occupation’ trope? Save it for the Buchanan Street soap dodgers my friend, literally nobody else buys that line.
It’s literally considered occupied by the UN and the ICJ. Far from a trope it’s a widely recognised status by the international community. You of course know this, as I’m sure you know the pretence of the “international rules based order” relies upon believing it.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217638)

Who would need tunnels if they were not under bombing threat? No Hamas type regime, no bombing. Jfman is somewhat blunkered by the virtual keffiyah he might be wearing.
There’s no actual evidence that the absence of Hamas would save Palestinians. I appreciate it’s a nice virtual comfort blanket for those who fundamentally don’t believe Palestinians should have human rights to scream “BUT THEY DON’T CONDEMN KHAMAS” but Israel have been blowing up Arabs since it’s very existence and have committed themselves to displacing people on their expansionist project for much the same timeframe.

Sephiroth 18-06-2026 14:55
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36217643)
It’s literally considered occupied by the UN and the ICJ. Far from a trope it’s a widely recognised status by the international community. You of course know this, as I’m sure you know the pretence of the “international rules based order” relies upon believing it.

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There’s no actual evidence that the absence of Hamas would save Palestinians. I appreciate it’s a nice virtual comfort blanket for those who fundamentally don’t believe Palestinians should have human rights to scream “BUT THEY DON’T CONDEMN KHAMAS” but Israel have been blowing up Arabs since it’s very existence and have committed themselves to displacing people on their expansionist project for much the same timeframe.

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It’s literally considered occupied by the UN and the ICJ. Far from a trope it’s a widely recognised status by the international community. You of course know this, as I’m sure you know the pretence of the “international rules based order” relies upon believing it.
“The international community”: That would be the one that is loaded with anti-colonialists who are after “reparations”, having trousered and spent the foreign aid they’ve been given for decades.

Then your “widely recognised” point: On day 1 of Israel’s existence, voted into creation by the UN in 1947, the Arab neighbours declared war on Israel and the indigenous Arabs took up arms and formed a resistance. Since then, those same Arab neighbours have made war on Israel several times and Al Fatah terrorised Israel’s civilian population. What you see happening now, is a consequence of anti-Jewish fervour by the ARab neighbours, two of which (Egypt and Jordan) have since made peace with Israel.

So now, following the massacre of October 7th, Israel is doing what it has to do to destroy Hamas.

How would you destroy Hamas, Jfman?

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There’s no actual evidence that the absence of Hamas would save Palestinians. I appreciate it’s a nice virtual comfort blanket for those who fundamentally don’t believe Palestinians should have human rights to scream “BUT THEY DON’T CONDEMN KHAMAS” but Israel have been blowing up Arabs since it’s very existence and have committed themselves to displacing people on their expansionist project for much the same timeframe.
Of course there’s “no actual evidence” in terms of your argument. There is “actual evidence” that Hamas and Hezbollah are hell bent on terrorising Israel.

But you’ve widened the argument to Palestinians in general and that means The West Bank. There, Israel is shooting itself in the foot by its appalling behaviour at the behest of the Ultras. This will eventually come back to bite Israel, imo. But it has little to do with Iran’s proxy terrorist agenda.

If you are blind to that then I can only ascribe your attitude to unfortunate prejudice.

jfman 18-06-2026 15:41
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217653)
“The international community”: That would be the one that is loaded with anti-colonialists who are after “reparations”, having trousered and spent the foreign aid they’ve been given for decades.

Then your “widely recognised” point: On day 1 of Israel’s existence, voted into creation by the UN in 1947, the Arab neighbours declared war on Israel and the indigenous Arabs took up arms and formed a resistance. Since then, those same Arab neighbours have made war on Israel several times and Al Fatah terrorised Israel’s civilian population. What you see happening now, is a consequence of anti-Jewish fervour by the ARab neighbours, two of which (Egypt and Jordan) have since made peace with Israel.

So now, following the massacre of October 7th, Israel is doing what it has to do to destroy Hamas.

How would you destroy Hamas, Jfman?



Of course there’s “no actual evidence” in terms of your argument. There is “actual evidence” that Hamas and Hezbollah are hell bent on terrorising Israel.

But you’ve widened the argument to Palestinians in general and that means The West Bank. There, Israel is shooting itself in the foot by its appalling behaviour at the behest of the Ultras. This will eventually come back to bite Israel, imo. But it has little to do with Iran’s proxy terrorist agenda.

If you are blind to that then I can only ascribe your attitude to unfortunate prejudice.
Israel is shooting itself in the foot everywhere. Destroying Hamas as a byproduct of the systematic destruction of Gaza isn’t (in my view) acceptable. It opens up the hypocrisy of the West, it’s weakened our authority around the globe and ultimately led to a series of events where we’ve strengthened Iran’s standing in the region.

The only hope, and it’s slim, is for someone better than Netanyahu to win the elections and seek a constructive dialogue with its neighbours. As ever, nobody is questioning the right to make a proportionate response to terrorist actions. Radicalising more people has inevitable outcomes, as do the pourous borders in Europe and the UK.

Of course, nobody will question whether the victims of future terrorist attacks condemned Israel enough or who they voted for. Those are preposterous notions we simply would not apply to anyone else, anywhere in the world.

Sephiroth 18-06-2026 17:12
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36217658)
Israel is shooting itself in the foot everywhere. Destroying Hamas as a byproduct of the systematic destruction of Gaza isn’t (in my view) acceptable. It opens up the hypocrisy of the West, it’s weakened our authority around the globe and ultimately led to a series of events where we’ve strengthened Iran’s standing in the region.

The only hope, and it’s slim, is for someone better than Netanyahu to win the elections and seek a constructive dialogue with its neighbours. As ever, nobody is questioning the right to make a proportionate response to terrorist actions. Radicalising more people has inevitable outcomes, as do the pourous borders in Europe and the UK.

Of course, nobody will question whether the victims of future terrorist attacks condemned Israel enough or who they voted for. Those are preposterous notions we simply would not apply to anyone else, anywhere in the world.

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Israel is shooting itself in the foot everywhere. Destroying Hamas as a byproduct of the systematic destruction of Gaza isn’t (in my view) acceptable. It opens up the hypocrisy of the West, it’s weakened our authority around the globe and ultimately led to a series of events where we’ve strengthened Iran’s standing in the region.
For a start, and perhaps you were trapping me into saying this, the destruction of Gaza is a by-product of attempting to destroy Hamas. Sure, the collateral damage doesn't like being destroyed but it has cheered Hamas on; so what do those people expect?

I'll ask again: How should Israel go about destroying Hamas?

As for "Iran's standing in the region": It is a pity that you make your argument so shallowly. Iran is widely disliked in "the region". Sunni/Shia stuff not to mention the destabilising proxy warfare promoted by Iran. However, we probably both agree that Trump's war, having left the despicable Iranian regime in place, has left Iran still being feared by reasonable people.

"Hypocrisy of the west" has always been part of your mantra and is irrelevant to this topic unless the "west" only means the USA.

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The only hope, and it’s slim, is for someone better than Netanyahu to win the elections and seek a constructive dialogue with its neighbours. As ever, nobody is questioning the right to make a proportionate response to terrorist actions. Radicalising more people has inevitable outcomes, as do the pourous borders in Europe and the UK.
We sort of align here. Netanyahu's departure, if replaced by a moderate might well (I hope) give a better deal to the West Bank. But the fight against Hamas/Hezbollah will remain a necessity. You have not acknowledged this, and I suspect this is a sign of irrational prejudice.

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Of course, nobody will question whether the victims of future terrorist attacks condemned Israel enough or who they voted for. Those are preposterous notions we simply would not apply to anyone else, anywhere in the world.
Talk about tuning things upside down: If I've understood you right the victims of future terrorism should be blaming Israel; at least that's how it reads. If it should read otherwise, then it makes little sense of meaning and in any case "preposterous notions".

Carth 18-06-2026 17:54
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Isn't this why the war will never end?

Two parties, both firmly convinced they're right, no middle ground.



. . I don't suppose either of you has access to nuclear armaments, which may be a good thing :erm:

Chris 18-06-2026 20:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36217643)
It’s literally considered occupied by the UN and the ICJ. Far from a trope it’s a widely recognised status by the international community. You of course know this, as I’m sure you know the pretence of the “international rules based order” relies upon believing it.
It’s literally considered occupied by UNSCIIP, a UN committee. But then, another UN committee, the C-24, frames the Falklands as ‘colonized’, despite their never having had a native population prior to European discovery, and cites Argentina, a country that didn’t exist when English explorers first arrived at the islands in 1690, as a party to the dispute. So shall we stop pretending that committees of the UN are in any way immune from poliiticking? The entire UN exists to try to stop the world blowing itself up, at which singular purpose it has made at least some useful contribution. All else is theatre, for the benefit of lesser powers who see it as their only chance to give the middle finger to the greater ones.

The ICJ has never made a binding ruling on Israel and Gaza. It has issued a couple of advisory opinions - a distinction that usefully frames its operation in this area in similar terms to the way UN committees are given free rein to blow hard on whatever issues they like, because it gives developing nations and middle powers a sand pit to play in.

thenry 28-06-2026 13:16
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"There ​may ⁠come a ⁠point when we are *no longer able to be reasonable, and *will be forced to militarily complete the job that we ⁠very successfully ​started.

"If that happens, ⁠the Islamic Republic ⁠of Iran will ​no longer exist."

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-...#liveblog-body
Go on then king ding-a-ling

thenry 13-07-2026 12:45
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The government has announced that it is using its new powers to proscribe Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

Another group called The Islamic Movement of Companions of the Right (IMCR), which is linked to Iran, is also being designated by the government following a spate of attacks on the Jewish community in Britain.

And the volunteer corps of Russia's GRU (foreign military intelligence agency) is also being designated under this legislation following "sabotage and other activity directed against the UK and Europe".

It means it is now a criminal offence to:
  • Invite support for, or express an opinion or belief that is supportive of, these groups;
  • Assist them in carrying out UK-related activities or engage in conduct likely to materially assist them;
  • Accept or retain a material benefit provided by or on behalf of them.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...#liveblog-body
Soo many blind following the so called wise who do the right thing being totally crushed brings a massive smile to my face :D

Paul 13-07-2026 16:54
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Trumps now trying to make money from his screw up.
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President Trump says the strait will remain open and that he will reinstate a blockade on Iranian ports, which he claims will stop "Iran's ships or customers from entering or leaving", but be open for other countries which will be required to pay a 20% cargo charge.

thenry 13-07-2026 17:00
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When was war ever free? Bar Ukraine.

Carth 13-07-2026 18:33
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President Trump says the strait will remain open and that he will reinstate a blockade on Iranian ports, which he claims will stop "Iran's ships or customers from entering or leaving", but be open for other countries which will be required to pay a 20% cargo charge.
I'm reading that as: 'Anything heading for the good old US of A has free passage, ships heading for any other destination had better cough up'

:erm:

papa smurf 13-07-2026 19:03
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36219541)
I'm reading that as: 'Anything heading for the good old US of A has free passage, ships heading for any other destination had better cough up'

:erm:
when all else fails try blackmail or extortion

Hugh 13-07-2026 19:36
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36219516)
Soo many blind following the so called wise who do the right thing being totally crushed brings a massive smile to my face :D
In English, please?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36219543)
when all else fails try blackmail or extortion
I think you’ll find with Trump, that’s Plan A…

thenry 13-07-2026 21:01
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36219544)
In English, please?
Palestine march comes to mind where it was deemed poor citizens getting blitz but really got proscribed terrorism. All these "proactive" people getting put back in their box puts a smile on my face :D

papa smurf 13-07-2026 21:06
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36219549)
Palestine march comes to mind where it was deemed poor citizens getting blitz but really got prescribed terrorism. All these "proactive" people getting put back in their box puts a smile on my face :D
could you try the other English

Dude111 13-07-2026 21:09
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
Trumps now trying to make money from his screw up.
Heh what a bloody moron.. He wont ever admit he is wrong and makng this country look like crap!!

Paul 13-07-2026 22:27
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36219549)
Palestine march comes to mind where it was deemed poor citizens getting blitz but really got proscribed terrorism. All these "proactive" people getting put back in their box puts a smile on my face :D
He meant in English we can understand and make sense of. ;)

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36219541)
I'm reading that as: 'Anything heading for the good old US of A has free passage, ships heading for any other destination had better cough up'
Whats he going to do if ships refuse to pay ? shoot at them ?

jem 13-07-2026 22:44
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36219559)
Whats he going to do if ships refuse to pay ? shoot at them ?
No here’s the point, he’s made the ‘demand’ with no details as to how it will be imposed, which is a typical Trump ‘let mouth run off before brain has engaged’*

Who pays the ‘tariff’, undecided, how is it paid, undecided, who decides the value of the cargo, undecided?

Forget it, it simply will never happen.

* yes, I know there are those who will argue that he has no brain - but please just run with it.

Paul 14-07-2026 02:28
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36219561)
No here’s the point, he’s made the ‘demand’ with no details as to how it will be imposed, which is a typical Trump ‘let mouth run off before brain has engaged’
You're probably right, or there will be some reason to "pause" them.

Dude111 14-07-2026 04:31
Someone needs to pause him!!!

papa smurf 14-07-2026 09:15
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when Iran started charging for passage through the straight it was charging 2million dollars which went down to 100.000-200,000 dollars,trumps new racket will cost around 16 million dollars per shipment ,this is according to sky news

papa smurf 14-07-2026 17:31
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it's taco tuesday

Iran war latest: Trump scraps plan for 20% fee on ships in Strait of Hormuz
Donald Trump has U-turned on a plan to charge shipping for using the Strait of Hormuz - but he says he remains committed to reimposing a blockade on Iranian ports

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-...tates-13509565

Paul 14-07-2026 17:49
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36219565)
or there will be some reason to "pause" them.
That didnt take long :D

thenry 14-07-2026 18:34
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For trade and investments by gulf states in America :rolleyes:

Gavin78 15-07-2026 00:52
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Someone needs to cover the war costs towards Iran he wasn't happy that nobody wanted to play ball with him so this is his way of trying to upset the apple cart in the EU. What we really need to know is who is the real puppet master

TheDaddy 15-07-2026 08:10
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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 36219617)
Someone needs to cover the war costs towards Iran he wasn't happy that nobody wanted to play ball with him so this is his way of trying to upset the apple cart in the EU. What we really need to know is who is the real puppet master
We already know, netanyahu & putin...

Chris 15-07-2026 12:05
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36219597)
That didnt take long :D
Well, it was a Tuesday …

papa smurf 15-07-2026 12:08
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36219629)
Well, it was a Tuesday …
sounds like you've noticed a pattern

Chris 15-07-2026 13:42
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36219630)
sounds like you've noticed a pattern
Indeed.

First, TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out).

Second, everyone knows it’s TACO TUESDAY

papa smurf 15-07-2026 15:25
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36219637)
Indeed.

First, TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out).

Second, everyone knows it’s TACO TUESDAY
you don't think the Iranian's know this do you:shocked:

Carth 15-07-2026 16:04
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I think everyone knows it . . . apart from Trump

Dude111 15-07-2026 21:05
Trump warns US will ‘knock out’ Iran’s power plants and bridges next week — unless regime makes a deal

This is just unreal!!

Someone needs to take this idiot out!!!

http://rumble.com/v7cqpke-president-...1wxk5&mc=ehuil


Who the hell does he think he is???

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President Trump on Tuesday warned the US will pummel Iran until “I say it’s enough” and that “energy targets” are next in his ramped-up war effort.

“I’ll save the energy targets for last, but ultimately we’ll hit energy targets,” Trump told Fox News reporter Trey Yingst in an interview on the stepped-up military operation.

“We’re going to hit them very hard tonight. We’re going to hit them very hard tomorrow night. We’re going to hit them very hard the night after, and then next week it gets really bad for them because next week comes the power plants,” Trump said.

jem 15-07-2026 21:12
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36219645)
I think everyone knows it . . . apart from Trump
Do you suppose that Trump, in between playing golf, over the weekend gets wound out about an issue, late on Monday he spins off some random nonsense, and then on Tuesday is quietly reminded by the few grown ups n the room that this won’t work and the squeal of back tracking is heard?

papa smurf 02-08-2026 12:27
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i know it's not Tuesday but yay it's TACO day

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-...ttack-13509565

Paul 02-08-2026 20:12
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Bah, useless sky news, I am tempted to ban their links.

Quote:
Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-us-trump-attack-13509565" on this server.

jem 02-08-2026 21:20
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36220641)
Bah, useless sky news, I am tempted to ban their links.
Odd, the link worked fine for me.

Hugh 02-08-2026 21:33
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36220641)
Bah, useless sky news, I am tempted to ban their links.
Fine here

Carth 02-08-2026 22:39
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Link worked for me, at one time or another I must have accidentally agreed to something they threw in my face . . .

1andrew1 02-08-2026 23:26
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36220641)
Bah, useless sky news, I am tempted to ban their links.
Are you on a VPN outside the UK? It may be UK only.

Paul 03-08-2026 02:33
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They use a CDN system (Edgesuite) that blocks some browsers, like mine.

Dude111 06-08-2026 09:02
Its sickening how they are close to a deal with the way this idiot has been treating them!!

They should tell him to take a hike!!

Damien 01-09-2026 10:17
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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...8-5a5f6cc90000

This was Netanyahu's son, but there have been others in the Israeli governing party who've said similar things over the last year.

Quite interested in who in Israel thinks backing Argentina's claims to the Falklands helps them in any way at all. It's obviously designed to upset pretty much everyone in Britain, but that's including the section of Britain support the current Israeli government. Trump is also on this bandwagon now.

I guess it helps them in Argentina, but they have less economic and political soft power.

Damien 08-10-2026 08:56
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Israel is closing our consulate in East Jerusalem in retaliation for the sanctions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw33xd6vegnno

Expect a lot of their diplomats to be kicked out of London in return in the coming hours.

papa smurf 08-10-2026 09:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36223558)
Israel is closing our consulate in East Jerusalem in retaliation for the sanctions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw33xd6vegnno

Expect a lot of their diplomats to be kicked out of London in return in the coming hours.
throw them all out

Carth 08-10-2026 10:05
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36223559)
throw them all out
or move them to Manchester, the (soon to be) new capital city of England ;)

TheDaddy 08-10-2026 10:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36223558)
Israel is closing our consulate in East Jerusalem in retaliation for the sanctions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw33xd6vegnno

Expect a lot of their diplomats to be kicked out of London in return in the coming hours.
No they're not, it's been there for more than 100 years longer than Israel has and it's British property, they can expel some staff, they can make as many bold claims as they like and I'll make one too, it'll be opening as usual today and it will tomorrow and the day after

Hugh 08-10-2026 16:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36223558)
Israel is closing our consulate in East Jerusalem in retaliation for the sanctions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw33xd6vegnno

Expect a lot of their diplomats to be kicked out of London in return in the coming hours.
https://wapo.st/3WfAQTJ

Quote:
Israel downgraded Britain’s 188-year-old consulate in East Jerusalem on Thursday, expelling 20 diplomats and scaling back services to Palestinians, but stopped short of closing the facility entirely after last-minute negotiations.

Israel had ordered the consulate closed last month in retaliation for British sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, which most countries consider illegal under international law. The consulate handles Britain’s relations with Palestinians in Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, separate from its embassy in Tel Aviv.

The consulate will become a “U.K. mission,” lacking a consulate general but still operating with a smaller staff.

“The UK Mission, Jerusalem is independent, operational, and will continue to deliver vital services and our work with the Palestinian people,” Foreign Secretary Ed Miliband said in a statement.

The compromise heads off what could have been a major escalation in the diplomatic row, amid reports that the U.K. could in turn expel Israeli officials from London.

Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar blamed the souring relations on Britain’s Labour government, which has condemned Israeli military actions in Gaza, placed sanctions on settlers and recognized a Palestinian state.

Miliband said last month that expanding settlements in the West Bank amounted to “ethnic cleansing.”

“We did not want to reach this point, but the actions of the Labour government brought us here,” Saar said on X.

Damien 24-10-2026 09:16
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...aim-falklands/

Quote:
Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered Israel to support Argentina over the Falklands, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Israeli prime minister told diplomats to change his country’s official position and join Buenos Aires in calling for direct talks over the future of the islands.

Mr Netanyahu, who has a close bond with Javier Milei, the Argentine president, altered his position following last month’s decision by Ed Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, to impose economic sanctions on West Bank settlements.
Well he might lose the next election next week and this be for nothing, but still. This is probably Argentina's biggest ally on this issue now.

Carth 24-10-2026 11:03
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A few 'leaders' just lately not content with their own 'land grab' plans, now seem to be encouraging others to do the same.

No worries though because we have 2 tins of beans and a pack of candles stored ;)

1andrew1 26-10-2026 18:49
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Key election tomorrow in Israel.

Netanyahu has been in power for 1 in every 4 days that Israel has existed as a state. If there's anyone who knows about winning elections, he's that person! However, Trump has endorsed Netanyahu and Trump's last endorsement in Brazil just lost the election there.

Hugh 26-10-2026 19:03
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Plus Orban in Hungary and Vučić in Serbia this year.

1andrew1 26-10-2026 19:06
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36224467)
Plus Orban in Hungary and Vučić in Serbia this year.
I knew those two were Putin's mates. Should have guessed Trump endorsed them as well!

1andrew1 27-10-2026 20:31
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Interesting times as exit polls show opposition leader Eisenkot's bloc has a marginal lead per Sky. However, the FT says their is no overall winner at the moment.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-el...polls-13570050

papa smurf 27-10-2026 20:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36224532)
Interesting times as exit polls show opposition leader Eisenkot's bloc has a marginal lead per Sky. However, the FT says their is no overall winner at the moment.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-el...polls-13570050
it'll end up a coalition of far right turds hell bent on killing their neighbours

Hugh 07-11-2026 20:22
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https://wapo.st/4BPuriC

Quote:
Israeli president taps ex-general Eisenkot, opponent of Netanyahu, to form government

Israeli President Isaac Herzog has tasked former military chief Gadi Eisenkot — the main political opponent of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — to form the country’s next government.

Eisenkot will have 28 days to build a coalition, with a possible two-week extension. His Yashar party won 21 Knesset seats, and his opposition bloc 48 in all, short of the 61 needed for a majority.

One option is to bring in one or both of the Arab parties, which together won a record 19 seats — eight for Raam and 11 for the Joint List. Eisenkot could also try to form a minority government with their outside support.

However, Avigdor Liberman, a member of Eisenkot’s bloc who is the hawkish leader of the Yisrael Beiteinu party, has fiercely opposed such a move. Eisenkot, a centrist on the Israeli political spectrum, previously has also expressed reservations about such a coalition.

Since the election on Oct. 27, the two Arab parties have indicated willingness to propel Eisenkot to the prime minister’s office.


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