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Wonder if retrospectively changing the rules will be as successful as the last time they tried?

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Remind Redwood to send in his letter asking Johnson to quit too.

At this time, it is more important than ever for the West to show to the World what democracy and good government is all about.

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Is beer korma resigning yet

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Hes he been issued with a FPN notice yet?

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No and he won't. I felt that he wouldn't get one after Johnson didn't get any for his attendance at the other gatherings and the David Green blog that Julian cited yesterday convinces me even more.

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Johnson's changes to the Ministerial Code demonstrate that he has not been humbled. And instead of the UK exporting our democratic values to less democratic countries like Russia and China, Johnson's importing theirs.

These corrupt changes cannot be permitted.

Starmer obviously won't be fined as he's done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.

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If he's not fined it proves one law for us and no law for the titled and their cronies .

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Extrapolating all of that from one event? If you have so little faith in the UK's justice system, then maybe this country is not for you.

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Agree Boris changing the ministerial code to allow for lying is outrageous.

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So true - Simon Case, Carrie Johnson, Lulu Lyttle, etc….

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I'm thinking of moving to Monaco, I'm sick of all the privileged running the country.

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No surprise really. If the Conservatives want to win the next election, they can's do so with the current Prime Minister.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...cf4a178315dd1a

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Yes, of course.

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A few more MPs have put letters in….

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Back stabbers and traitors like these are always trying to destroy the party.

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So true - what sort of low-life Tory MP would vote against their Party Leader, or against Government votes in the House of Commons?

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Agreed - trying to destroy the Labour Party by keeping it out of power by having an electable PM in place for the next election instead of the lockdown champagne quaffing BoJo.

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My word you Labour supporters are quick off the mark this evening.

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You must be speaking to yourself again as neither Hugh nor I are Labour supporters. ;)

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Like most of your statements, it is non-contiguous with actuality.

I have never supported, or voted Labour, in any Election in my life.

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Fantastic routine you have there, brilliant jokes, you should take it onto the comedy circuit:tu:

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If we were Labour supporters, we'd want Starmer's useful idiot (Boris Johnson) to remain in power, so he loses both his seat and the election in 2025.

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2024 Andrew he got till before he got to have a general election

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There was Bojo thinking he'd sacked all the people with a backbone and able to say no to him. Time for another cull I think.

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Time is even more of the essence for the Conservative Party in that case.

List below of the likely 29 MPs who have put letters in. Interestingly
https://www.conservativehome.com/par...son-to-go.html

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We're getting closer ...

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Not heard anything from the Conservative candidate in Wakefield yet, wondering how they'll deal with Boris when asked. The Labour chap is busy getting his name out there but so far not mentioned the goings on in either leadership. My guess is they'll both skirt the big subject, but if Kier doesn't get his collar felt then the Labour campaign will not hold back.

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My understanding is they won't be campaigning in the local elections. It worked in Hartlepool so they're hoping it will work here too.

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Good to see the public are rallying behind our leader ;)

LAB: 42% (+2)
CON: 31% (-3)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
GRN: 3% (-2)

via
@SavantaComRes
, 27 - 29 May

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https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...pport-12593360

As a reminder, Sir Bob Neill's post on his site concluded
https://www.bobneill.org.uk/news/sta...e-grays-report

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Sir bob traitor says......

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Time to move on. Johnson is yesterday's man, you need to look forward to the new leader.

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Good grief, is this still going on :rolleyes:

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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5N...73f9e4b00&nd=1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61653755

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Sir beer and angie sent questionnaires by police

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-durham-police

The noose it tightening for Beer Korma and the invisible woman.

He should do the right thing and just go,if he puts the same bullshyte on the police questionnaire he'll be in deep doo doo.

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What does that link tell us that mine 45 mins earlier did not?

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Quite a bit, as I'd open one and ignore the other :shocked:

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Lol, dunce cap for me on that link!

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I don't really care either way for either side on minor fines for Covid rule breaking. It is possible to believe you were complying when not or whatever.


I do think that trying to change the ministerial rules when you yourself are the subject within that rule change is unwise at the very least. Maybe the rules do need tweaking so that minor infringements that don't impact your ability to do the job can be dealt with better but the timing is really out.

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https://twitter.com/secrettory12/sta...wHuLgynaLzTxeQ

(parody account)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1654078536

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The BBC has excelled itself today. Here is the live footage of Johnson being loudly booed when he arrives at St Pauls:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1533005291163467778

and here is the censored footage posted later:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1533005639722713089

As a reference, here's another broadcaster's recording: https://twitter.com/i/status/1532703699914608641

Putting aside the BBC censorship, I feel the reaction he got from such a crowd would be seen by many Tories as further evidence that he has to go.

The upcoming by-elections will be interesting :)

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I imagine the demographic of the booing audience has a skew towards supporting the Conservative Party. So not good news for Johnson.

Sad to see the self-censorship by the BBC.

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There always has been a right wing bias at the BBC.

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There is an official statement released on this claiming that large sections of the crowd were infected with monkey pox and rather than booing they were in fact oooing

There are however unverified reports that one person (the Queen) was heard shouting F*** OFF Bozo

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The second clip is where they were repeating video over a live interview. The video audio is reduced to avoid clashing with the interview. The BBC do that all the time on the News channel.

https://twitter.com/marinapurkiss/st...34KxYb4ej2H1WA

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Actually…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1654345862

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But the crowd, one that you might expect to be Conservative aligned, were booing the Prime Minister loudly at a time when he is about to undergo a possible vote of no confidence. I'd say that was the actual news for this clip. Remember the world still turns even on days like this.

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nope it was Boris getting booed and rightly so

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She's running Govt policy which makes it all the more hilarious. But they were booing Boris on account of him being a fat populist lying idiot ( and the Royalist groupies are hardly left wing..)

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Bad news for Labour.
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...36601794093057

I should also point out that Nadine Dorries has stated those 67 letters are in fact cheering Johnson on, and asking him to stand for a second term. :D

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depends who replaces him if it someone in cabinet not so as they all utter useless

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Looks like the vote is going to be called today

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Good to read. :tu:

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Announced: 6-8pm tonight

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no confidence vote tonight between 6 and 8

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Time to get the bunting out!

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I have a feeling Boris will win this…. (No logic, just feeling)

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Wonder if Putin will get the chequebook out. Seems like a cheap way to install a puppet government in a major, albeit declining, western power.

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That’s certainly the word on the street. If he does, he is safe for another year, during which he needs to redouble his efforts to implement the manifesto that got him the majority he enjoyed at the election.

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I feel you and Old Boy may need to get the smelling salts out this evening. :D

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He needs to go for them to stand a better chance to stay in power. If he stays on then it'll be decided by a general election and that doesn't look good.

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Sky news just had some Lord on saying that even if he survives the vote it’s only a matter of time before he’s gone should this follow history

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But has this Lord ever wrestled a greased pig ;)

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We’ll see about that! The majority of the parliamentary party support him. Far too much prominence is given to the Boris-haters. It’s about time the media gave more prominence to the positives.

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History can certainly repeat itself, but you can also learn from history to avoid past mistakes.

Boris needs to forge ahead and implement his manifesto. Things will look different in two years’ time, and Labour will still not have any palatable policies. And Starmer will have that partygate fine that’s heading his way to contend with!

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If Starmer gets fined (Beergate, not Partygate) then he's said he'll resign. So that won't be an issue with the electorate as he won't be the Labour leader.

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Now that's a vote winner.

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If Johnson wins, the whole Party will be smeared with the Partygate reputation and Johnson will end up like May: a lame duck PM.

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Unless the 1922 Committee change the rule (which they can do).

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-johnson-work

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You mean like don't tell lies, and if you do then don't get caught or changing the rules when one of you MP's or Ministers gets caught breaking the existing rules. Boris doesn't seem to have the same view as you do when it comes to how to avoid history repeating itself.

On a cheeky side note, do you wear a Nadine mask when you type some of your comments? ;):D

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Boris needs half the votes plus 1 assuming every one votes and no one abstains ,anything else is just icing on the cake.

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Back Bozzo, you know it makes sense.

Signed

Sir Keir (PM in waiting)

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When May had her vote...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46547246

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John Penrose resigns and says Boris should too

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He will, but so did Thatcher.

I think they're making a mistake.

Boris, was able to transcend across political and class divides and I don't think any other Tory has that particular attribute. I also think it should be decided in a GE whether the country wants him as PM or not.

I also think they have gone a bit early, they probably should have waited until the two by-elections were done, if they were both crushing defeats the result today may have been different.

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who's John Penrose?

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Dido's hubby

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https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...to-go-12628772

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Whatever Nadine...

Kind of hoping Bozo stays on tbh, there's no one to replace him and up against the election winning machine I'd hope the little parties team up and part of that pact will be proportional representation, finally every one's vote will matter and it'll be an end to minority governments having the ability to screw the rest of us over

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Put those Left-leaning rose tinted glasses away, TheDaddy. It ain’t gonna happen.

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pot kettle black from the one that tory rose tinted glasses are welded on forever

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You don't need to be left leaning or have any tint in your glasses to see Johnson is toast. It's a matter of when,. not if.

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I think he'll survive but be badly wounded from it similar to May. Although that's just going with the pundit consensus, they must be better wired in than me.

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Too true, but the Boris-haters are so pre-occupied with their campaign to get rid, they cannot see the obvious.

As it stands, we know there are roughly 15% who want him out and would vote for that. There may also be a small number of others who have not yet put their heads above the parapet, but now given a chance to vote on it, may vote against him.

I think we will all soon realise that as with just about everything that’s happened in the last few years, it’s that minority who are trying to disrupt everything.

Boris will survive and thrive. And his detractors will be more confused than ever!

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exactly but he can never do anything wrong in OB's eyes

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Perhaps you can send me a picture of your bloodied nose after today’s vote.

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That’s because he hasn’t.

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I think the final number will be a lot higher than 15%. Remember these are people willing to force the issue but once faced with the choice in a private ballot....

Boris Johnson isn't popular with the parliamentary party or the public. It's only the mess this will create that's put them off so far.

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so breaking the law is ok hmmmmmm that he made

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The Met over-reacted, which is why Bradford Police feel compromised in dealing with Starmer.

A cake does not make it a party. And there is nothing to say in those rules that you cannot eat a cake or have a drink.

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BTW If Johnson does lose the vote he'll have been the PM for less time than May. And only just longer than Gordon Brown who'll he match for days served tomorrow.

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keep tell yourself that OB even lots of tories have turned against him for breaking law

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Advocating proportional representation is not of itself left-leaning.

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The law was broken as it was a non-work meeting. Unlike the leaving-dos.

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Exclusive from GBNews…

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/15...F80rofmOuDashg

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1654527950

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I'm not predicting the outcome of the vote, OB. You do need to pay much better attention. Nor am I particularly bothered either way. Having him trundle on rudderless is an entertaining watch and only increases the chances of the Tories losing the next election.

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He won't be going anywhere. They all look after each other so unless miracles happen, he will still be here.

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'pre-pandemic'. Me thinks they're now trying to dead cat the report again. I wonder why

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Liebour will NEVER EVER get my vote again, they have Steptoe flipping from leave to remain to thank for that, plus I don't like starmer.


Boris has dealt with crises that no other previous leader has had to deal with, and there was no book on what to do.


If Steptoe had one he would have put getting us back into the EU over Covid.

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Problem is they are all as bad as each other.
For the typical family with young children, the tories do very little to support families meaning the average middle class citizen ends up becoming poor.


Then again most labour MP's in my area have been corrupt.


Might be better with Lib Dem coalition again.