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The ruling was to mark "died WITH covid", and that was very early on. I suspect that was to protect people who came in contact with the bodies.

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It was originally deaths within x days of a positive test which didn't necessarily mean covid was a contributory factor in their death.

It'd also exclude someone like Derek Draper, where it clearly was.

Wow I didnt realise this Mick....... I can talk openly to you or Ramrod about this and you guys wont cut me down......... Im very glad of that mate!!!!

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To be clear, not everyone who works in the "health industry" is a doctor, I also work in it.

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Me too, to a fashion and I'm not a doctor or nurse, my in-laws were/ are and so is my sister in-law but I'm not medical or even clerical

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Not long after Covid kicked off, a friend of my gym trainer tested positive and was not allowed to go to work, he went out on his motorbike and got killed. He was another one of those Covid statistics!

I didn't want the vaccine because I suffer bad reactions to a number of medicines and chemical products. I had the first variant of Covid before the vaccines were available, but the government threw away hundreds of years of study and pushed the vaccine. I only got the vaccine and one booster because Drakeford threatened that we wouldn't be able to go out in public if we didn't. I was very ill immediately after the booster and then contracted Covid a second time within a few weeks. The second Covid bout wasn't anywhere near as severe as the first, but it has left me with constant phlegm like a smoker and long term chest issues.

I don't suppose I can complain. it could be worse. My uncle for example had the vaccine and he was hospitalised and one day away from having his legs amputated as a result. I saw the pictures, and the splits in his flesh almost down to the bone wasn't pleasant, but he did avoid the Covid cough.

A friend sent me this link

Europe Making Doctors Responsible for Covid Vax Injuries

They aint gonna like being held accountable!!

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There should be people prosecuted over what went on in regards to covid, and it’s not the doctors.

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We're far enough away from the vaccine rollout that there should now be solid statistical evidence of the side effects that isn't anecdotal. Published research in medical journals that are taken seriously as opposed to self-described experts on YouTube or social media.

As far as I am aware, the current medical consensus remains that the COVID mRNA vaccines have a very rare risk of causing myocarditis and the rare 'traditional' side effects of vaccines such as swelling at the injection site or pain/fever/vomiting.

This is after millions upon millions of vaccines administered over several years. If they were as unsafe as they were being described back in 2021-2022, then the ramifications of that would be obvious now.

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The conspiracy theorists still love to rant about the dangers of the vaccine and continue to mock those that got it.

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Ahh, Sherri Tenpenny. Haven’t heard from her for a while. She is the person who claimed amongst other things that;

- People will die of autoimmune diseases somewhere between 42 days and a year after COVID vaccination
- COVID vaccines kill sperm and will render the vaccinated sterile
- People who are vaccinated become magnetic
- The COVID vaccines contain components that interface with 5G mobile phone towers
- COVID vaccines will turn people into ‘transhumanist cyborgs’
- By the end of 2022, every COVID vaccinated person over 30 will have vaccine induced AIDS

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You need new friends! Total CT nonsense. Never trust anything on rumble.

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Agreed; let's hope those sellers of PPE that was not fit for purpose are prosecuted.

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:clap:

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It did for my wife :mad:

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Not suggesting there wasn't some people affected but certainly not the scale they try to insinuate. As with all medicines there will always be people that take reactions to them. I myself found out the hard way I'm allergic to 2 specfic antibiotics that were the main ones used to treat peritonitis.

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This.

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Sorry for your loss - was it COVID or the vaccine?

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Sorry for your loss :(

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The vaccine, stroke 24 hrs after injection, listed as contributing factor. 8 stone max , didn't smoke, drink. Quote doc last person " I know that was likely to have one"

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I know it doesn't help but possibly had an undiagnosed heart problem?

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No our doctors words were it's that b....dy vaccine. Like myself had yearly medical. And I mean full , no problems what so ever. Had PM it was a stroke.

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Let’s hope those that told us we had to wear it are prosecuted.

In regards to PPE not “fit for purpose”, you do recall we were told we could use a neck scarf, or any kind of material as a face covering? Can we prosecute those who advised that too.

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Vaccines are not risk free, I dont think anyone has ever (sensibly) claimed they are.
Some people just want you to believe is its a higher risk than there appears to be evidence for.

There are probably many studies around this by now.
I found one done in Georgia (US) that covered about 5 million people.
It found that about 0.011% had a stroke within a 21 day period after being vaccinated.

It didnt (as far as I could tell) mention how many of these died (strokes are not always fatal).
It could not of course confirm the stroke was related to the vaccine, simply that they had one within 21 days.

It did note that approximately 9% had COVID-19 infection prior to receiving the vaccine, and 0.4% had acquired the infection during the 21 day post-vaccination period. Covid itself is known to increase the risk of strokes.

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I think it turned out that anyone under the age of ……..60……as long as they were fit and healthy didn’t need the vaccine. There’ll be some variance there.

It pretty much turned out that, if you should’ve already been dead by now, this will just help you along.

I took the jab because I wanted to fly and play golf in Spain.

But, I never vaxed my kids, and anyone that did was a lunatic.

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Based on what evidence ?

Having read this three times, I still dont understand it.

That was your choice, however calling anyone who did "a lunatic" is just uncalled for.

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Think he's saying that covid was basically harmless unless you were already really ill, I'm not sure that was true at the start anyway, iirc it mutated overtime to not be as lethal so as not to kill the hosts it could reinfect later and thus not die out itself.


:tu:

Oh my I didnt realise..... I am so sorry.. I know it doesnt help but it does to know you have people who love you and care.. https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/07/3.gif

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all the evidence.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ge-and-gender/

I'm saying that link is all the evidence, but go search yourself if you doubt it.

It was a glib comment, basically you were at risk if you already had one foot in the grave

Well anyone that injects their kids with some something they don't need, that could have adverse side effects, would fit that description.

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So we shouldnt give kids any vaccines or any medication then? As all medications and vaccine have side effects and some people can be allergic to them.

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Not saying I totally agree with this but in general the risk to a child of catching covid has always been lower than an adult, and much lower in terms of getting an illness requiring hospital treatment or worse. However, the vaccines (which is common to all vaccines to an extent) won't prevent illness entirely, nor will they stop the virus spreading, as well as having their own side effects which can be more severe in younger age groups.


It then becomes a balance where the difference in not vaccinating and letting them get the virus and whatever happens from that has to be worked against the possible effects of having the vaccination. If it gets to the stage where the vaccine is more likely to harm than getting the disease it vaccinates against, then vaccines should still be available but with enough information to allow the patient (or their parents if it's a child) to make their own decision if they want it or not.


For a lot of things such as the MMR vaccine (which has had its own controversies) and other conditions which children are routinely vaccinated against, the vaccines have been used for years, as opposed to under five years, and the effectiveness and side effects are known, generally they have a higher chance of preventing symptoms of the disease and its spread too, which makes the benefit more obvious.


I guess there are points to vaccinating a child against a disease where the vaccine is going to neither stop them getting nor spreading the disease, and the vaccine may cause them short or longer term, maybe even permanent concerns...

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The MMR was never controversial. It suffered at the hands of a quack, wilfully bad research, credulous newspapers who made money off lurid headlines and other moral cowards who preferred to “both-sides” the debate rather than seriously engaging with the issue.

The controversy was not the MMR, but rather the lamentable way misinformation about it was given credibility and allowed to spread in ways that had real-world effects in the lives of children who suffered, and in some cases died, as a result.

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All vaccines are designed to inform the immune system of what the virus is and to help it generate antibodies so it knows how to fight it off.
Vaccines will never stop you getting it or spreading it but they greatly reduce the risk of doing so.

Look at the US right now with a big drop in child vaccinations of past years there have been outbreaks of measles in multiple state. Something that hasn't happened for a long time.

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Or…

Those statistics show that, since the vast majority of people were vaccinated against COVID, it helped reduce the death rates for all age groups, especially amongst the under-65s…

And the fact that most people were vaccinated, it reduced the viral load & infection rate/severity.

Comparative deaths from COVID in the USA, by age groups under 65, vaccinated vs unvaccinated

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ination-status

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1741875278

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1741875278

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1741875278

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Yes it was, but it's much easier once misinformation had been put out (intentionally or otherwise) for it to remain in people's minds and even if later things correct it, it doesn't reverse the initial damage. You only need to look at where this has happened elsewhere to see this.


The MMR was not causing kids to develop autism, they likely had it anyway but it wouldn't come out until that age, so some people thought there was a correlation there when there was none. Can we say the same about people developing heart issues or having strokes after vaccinations (although covid can do that too)? It's still possible there the evidence hasn't built up enough, either way.

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I didn’t say that, you did.


So don’t take ones you don’t need then.

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I will accept that would be factor, especially in say….the 30-60 age range. But theres no evidence that I have seen that would suggest if you were fit and healthy <30 years old. That the vaccines (and we should highlight it wasn’t just one) did anything for you.

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What you have to factor in to this post COVID discussion is that, there are a lot of people who went full on, and full in to the whole vaccine thing, and they don’t want to be wrong, at any level and so will defend their position to the hilt…….understandable, but doesn’t make them right.

My position has been clear all through this.

I’m not, and have never been, anti-vax. But you should only take things that you need, and choose to take.

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Thank you for that reasoned, and reasonable, reply - however (sorry, there’s always a "however" - it’s like "but", just seems politer), your comment about "full on" applies equally to those who identify as (re COVID specifically, but also applies to all-encompassing) "anti-vax" - this is how your assertion reads with the single "anti-" added…

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I can accept that, both positions can be true.

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This paper is our friend here when it comes to safety outcomes of COVID and COVID vaccination in children- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-47745-z

This study looked at a cohort of 5.1 million children in the UK for vaccine side effects and infection effects to compare relative risks of both. Lots of in depth stats and a pretty heavy read as you might expect but here’s the critical paragraph in the conclusions;


Something the NHS is really good at is collating big data!

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When I was a child we were taken to measles parties!

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same here, i have 5 cousin's and we all slept top n tail in a double bed at my aunts house for measles /chicken pox parties.

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My kids did not need to go to specific measles parties, they all got it from attending nursery school.

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When I was a kid it was enough just to go to school to get the 4 major infections. I also had glandular fever which is a mercy to get the immunity when young.