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It's perfectly obvious to me that if we'd decided to stay in then the gates would have been very soon been behind us. Sadly our own 'remainer' leaders and the Eurocrats would very rapidly have further diluted our democracy and entwined the UK within Europe's web of laws, treaties etc sufficient to ensure leaving the club would effectively be impossible. So committed are these people to ensuring the objective of a single European state headed by Germany that they'll do virtually anything to make it happen. They have no respect for opinions which differ from their own and will not compromise on their objective. I believe time will tell we were better off leaving even though that was never going to be an easy option and doesn't make us immune from problems arising within the EU/Eurozone.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

What would be practical would be extending the existing advertising guidelines that cover products and services to include political party advertising. But turkeys never vote for Christmas, that's the sticking point!

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Accountable for their actions, stands to reason imo that if you've been on the planet longer you've contributed to the problem longer, providing you're not in one of these indigenous tribes that haven't really been touched by "civilisation" or its technological advances for millenia, we can probably let them of the hook no matter their age

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You felt that Mr K's statement "At least we've given them a nice ever warming climate... " suggested that older people were less responsible about the environment than younger people so navigated the debate towards Glastonbury.

Challenge me to find a link to global warming and Brexit and I'll do my best to oblige you. :) Here's a recent article by a leading nuclear scientist that discusses how Theresa May's Brexit will kill off her own plans for a green car revolution... which can't be good for global warming.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7877611.html

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Where on earth does it mention anything about green cars in your quote???

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I'm happy to highlight the following sentence in my quote for you "The Government has been clear about the need to decarbonise our electricity supply and that our transport should be powered by ever-greener electricity."
Unfortunately, I can't quote the entire article for obvious copyright reasons. If you were able to grab a few minutes to enjoy the full article, you will also see it begins "The Government’s announcement last week that the UK will ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2040, and redouble its efforts to promote the uptake of electric vehicles, is a positive step in the UK’s decarbonisation journey".

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I have read the opinion of Professor Freer following my reply and he is entitled to his opinion. It is not an article that's why it's in the "Voices" section.

Perhaps you may like to read this which lays out the future of nuclear generation (and other forms) in the UK. It is also worth noting that at present current nuclear power stations are operating significantly below design capacity.

Link

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The definition of an article is a piece of writing that is published in a newspaper or magazine. Professor Freer's piece ticks that box.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...nglish/article

Thanks, will take a look.

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Voices our opinions – and yours.

Even the Independant states it is opinion!

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I'm a tad confused as to why you're making that point as no one has said it's not an opinion article.

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Quite simple, an opinion is by nature biased, it has to be by nature. I don't care what Collins Dictionary states it is not an article. According to their definition a letter to the editor, once published in the paper would become an article.

Calling an opinion an article does not make it anything else other than an opinion and we all know the reputation of "experts" opinions.

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If you don't agree with a renowned publisher of dictionaries about the definition of a word that's not my problem.
Professor Freer states that every single expert in the civil nuclear industry and nuclear medicine industry is baffled by the decision to leave Euratom. I'm baffled you're more interested in challenging Collins on their word definitions than on the implications of the Government's decision in Euratom.

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Why are you obsessed with the semantics on how the argument is presented? The real world issue is the negative impact of leaving Euratom ..

When you next go to your GP, make sure you ask for one that is not an "expert" in their profession :)

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Alleged negative impact. Negotiations have only just started so no-one knows what the outcome will be not even "experts".

No opinion about any aspect of brexit will become fact until such time as negotiations are completed and we withdraw.

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Never heard of the phrase "2nd opinion" when talking about GPs, not all "experts" are infallible............

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It's funny how the vast majority of experts appear to love bureaucracy. Professionals do love controlling people!

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Except that it was not a deliberate attempt to deceive. They simply didn't take into account the rebate, which of course could be reinstated further down the line.

Had they quoted the figure without the rebate, it would have been just as effective, so why people are obsessing about the precise amount really shows how desperate the remainers are now.

The point is, a huge amount of extra money will be at our disposal when we leave this great monolithic bureaucracy, and we can decide to spend it on the NHS, housing, poverty, whatever we like. Plus, we will be able to exploit world markets without being tied down by the EU.

I think a lot of remainers also believe that trade with the EU will be stopped or at least severely impacted when we leave. I am sure they will be pleasantly surprised, because that is not going to happen.

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l see you are rather generalising again OB.;)

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I said, the vast majority, not all of them!

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So you decide who is authoritive in the chosen field of expertise based on what you want to hear and whether it matches your political views?

Doctor: I am sorry Mr Pierre, you have the following condition and here is the reasons why ..

Mr Pierre: Sorry, I don't believe you, I want a second opinion. In fact I want a 3rd, 4th and 5th opinion until you tell me what I want to hear!

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Den's right, you are generalising :)

Vast: of very great extent or quantity; immense.

Generalise: make a general or broad statement by inferring from specific cases.

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So informed opinion means nothing in the Brexit universe?

Here's a bunch on people with some insight on the matter:

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/this-w...or-uk-nuclear/

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/08/9.png

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Some of my work is involved in this (Euratom) area. There is currently massive collaboration with the EU. We don't have the depth of expertise to go it alone properly.

It's caused much head scratching even amongst the handful of Brexiteers about the implications of leaving.

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Not this Brexiteer head, it's not. ;)

It appears to me some people on the remain side, are putting arguments forward as if we are still in the phase of deciding whether to leave or not.

Sorry to bring you back to reality, that ship has sailed some time ago, we are leaving, article 50 has been invoked and thankfully, we are on our way out of the corrupt, unbalanced and failing pile of garbage.

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If collaboration about security, atomic research or whatever else is required there's no reason it shouldn't be agreed and acted upon after Brexit. The way some people are talking anyone would think we were going to cut ourselves off from Europe entirely and vice versa. Cutting off noses to spite faces isn't very grown up so I'm sure both sides will see our mutual interests in such areas and carry on. Why wouldn't they? :shrug:

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Rolls-Royce seems unhappy about this:

Rolls-Royce calls for Britain to stay in Euratom and EU aviation agency

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

So you are saying that the people in charge of the Leave campaign were just grossly incompetent and were unable to do basic mathematics? :)

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Well it's a thread on Brexit so why wouldn't we discuss it.

It's crazy that these things weren't discussed in parliament and put out to the public before the vote...to expect people to vote on something with no idea of the consequences was madness (and still is).

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What part of exiting the EU didn't you understand?

As Osem has stated just because we are leaving doesn't mean collaboration will cease. Issues like this will be part of the negotiations.

Until negotiations are concluded all you will get is uninformed opinion based on speculation.

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EU membership is NOT a prerequisite for participation in these other European organisations. Just another remoaner straw man.

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Where did i say we're not exiting ?
What part of discussing the implications of leaving don't you understand.

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One problem with the EURATOM agreement is it requires free movement of scientists in both directions. So yes you're right about mutual interests but the free movement issue will be a major hurdle.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

It was. They were told on numerous occasions by the ONS and other bodies it was wrong but did not correct it.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Indeed. They were also told at the time by one of the more honest members of their own campaign team, Sarah Wollaston MP. The outright lie and deception on the £350million figure persuaded her to change sides. Shame more didn't listen or were as honest as her.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36485464

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Why such a cantankerous statement? We're all having a healthy democratic debate and probably agree about 99% of other things in life. Let's keep the UK strong by remaining nice to one another and keeping the great in Great Britain. :D

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As Mick said, a fewer £100m a week wouldn't have altered his view. It's just a real shame that the campaign felt that the British public could be repeatedly lied to without any danger of any repercussions whatsoever.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7881286.html

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Strewth, that's less that one Neymar although even his 'net contribution' will be quite a bit less than ours ;)

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

No, I'm saying they took the figure that applies before the rebate is taken into account.

Don't think for one minute that the rebate would last forever, it was simply a quick fix which the Eurocrats are dying to end.

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Like most remainers ( I trust I'm not generalising!) you seem to believe that there can be no relationship at all with a body once you are no longer a member.

Listen to the government's proposals and do something about that tunnel vision you suffer from! ;)

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The consequences? What, you mean free trade, an end to freedom of movement, getting our sovereignty back, etc? Sorry, the confusion is with the remainers, who cannot get to grips with radical change.

You seem to believe that there should have been a detailed plan for Brexit prior to the referendum. That was never a practical option because leavers comprised a number of political parties, all with their own agendas, and the same on the remain side.

We were voting on the principal. It's up to the politicians to agree on the detail.

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It was the correct figure, which did not take into account the rebate, which is not a permanent fixture. It wouldn't have made any difference to voting if the lower figure had been quoted - it was still a huge sum which is better in our coffers than the black hole which is the EU.

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Agreed. But still the speculation continues...:D

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What cantankerous statement? I asked a genuine question. That's why there was a question mark at the end of the sentance and not an exclamation mark!

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Didn't come over as coming from someone who had got out of the right side of the bed.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

It was an incorrect figure and they were told it was incorrect by official bodies but failed to change it. The objective in stating an incorrect figure was to move the debate onto the fact that we pay for membership and not the loss of jobs that will come when EU bodies like the medicines and banking regulators move outside the UK and service companies relocate staff.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Politicians lie, unfortunately it's what we expect.

People voted the way they did for all the wrong reasons and didn't realise the consequences. A lot of them now realise how screwed we are, but few are prepared to admit they got it wrong, human nature I guess.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Spot on Mr K. Now beat a hasty retreat :D

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

He's only half right in that politicians lie.

The rest is just his normal garbage.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Correct, a lot of it is just him hissy fitting, and having his daily whine, he says 'A lot of brexiteers know how screwed they are.', Which is total BS, because he has not asked any of them.' I think he is conveniently forgetting nearly 26 million people voted for two brexit focused parties, in the recent general election just gone.

Lib Dem's were promising a 2nd referendum, clearly this was not the popular choice.

So I would like to know who this brexiteer lot, who he says, now think they are screwed...

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

You misquoted me there Mick. I said how screwed we are. I forgive you fwiw.

Unless we get away from winners/losers, Remainers/Brexiters, and realise see we're all on the same side at the end of the day, then this country is doubly screwed.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Exactly.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

We're not on the same side, though, are we? You guys want to remain in this virtual communist monstrosity of an organisation that is stifling the hell out of us and we want out of it.

Remaining in the EU is not in the UK's best interests.

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It was the correct figure when the rebate is taken into account, and like I said, the lower figure you prefer is still huge and would have made no difference to the argument if that had been used instead. You are picking over ancient bones here.

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How is the EU communist?!? Where has the EU suggested the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social class, money and state? If anything, most anti EU protagonists complain about too much state because of the EU.

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I said 'virtual communist'. They are not there yet, but look at the way they are going. I don't think business leaders really view them as helpful at all, obsessed as they are with regulation and penalising success.

It is plain to see that they are stifling enterprise, and I think the majority of voters in this country see that.

One step along the slippery path...

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I can't see how having a customs union and single market allowing businesses to sell products and services in an open manner to 743 million potential customers is stifling enterprise. Of course to do this right, you need a level playing field, hence the regulations

Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Bollocks, we are being doubly screwed right now while we are still in that pile of garbage.

As long as we stay in a corrupted entity, we will always be screwed, that's why we are coming out and rightly so, especially when certain old pricks and their teams, in the EU are spending 5 figure sums to travel to other parts of the EU, I mean FFS, £24,000+ for a private air taxi for just one day, is taking the piss...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7885326.html

This half a million Euros, is only a month's worth of travel expenditure, imagine a full year. :rolleyes:

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Typical of the EU's largesse when it comes to looking after all those snouts in the Euro-trough. Tip of the iceberg methinks.

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€500,000 is pretty much the same as UKIP appear to have defrauded the EU to pay for election expenses and have to pay back

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Politicians all over the world of all shades do it. They're all as bad as each other. Some of the travel expenses claimed by our politicians are ludicrous, e.g. 400 metre journeys being claimed for. Theresa May spent a fortune in the election, including £20,000 to get Arlene Foster home. Not to mention what Trump spends moving him and his entourage around.

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Not great but the UK government is no better. Mother Theresa spent £20,000 on an RAF jet to send the DUPs Arlene home, on that long haul flight to Belfast. Good old magic money tree !
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7819116.html

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Asd usual you open your gob without checking the facts or actually reading the article you have linked to.

It did not cost the Government a penny for the flight.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Yep that good old magic money tree seems only to be on the agenda when some have not developed convenient memory loss but when it suits their own political agenda.;)

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They only paid through the party when they were told it breached anti sleaze laws. She still splurged £20K on a local UK flight for her new chum when it should have cost a couple of hundred tops.

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And? WTF has this got to do with corrupted EU ? :rolleyes:

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

You quoted an example of how the "corrupt" EU waste money on exorbitant travel expenses. It's been pointed out that it's the norm for politicians everywhere, doesn't make it right, but that's what they do.

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Even when we exit Europe UK politicians will still have their noses in the trough whatever political persuasion they belong to sadly.

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Difference is we can and are leaving one set of exorbitant politicians, on the other side of the channel. We can deal with the ones who are left on this side.

No wonder those EU Imbeciles are insisting on a high divorce bill. They can get stuffed as far as I'm concerned. Tory MP and Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg says we legally, owe nothing.

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I wish we were leaving the exorbitant Ukip politicians in Europe but sadly they're probably coming home. ;)
It's never been about what we owe legally though. It's about the balance between what the leaving country pays and the quality of the deal it gets. And the reputation of your country to honour the spirit of its agreements; useful if it wants to strike its own trade deals.

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Well if the The Hon Member for the Early 20th Century, says we owe nothing then guess we're covered.

However I think we over estimate our own importance. i.e we need a deal more than the EU does. Legality and reality are different things.

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Well he certainly won't be suffering financially should we not cough up, then leave with no deal in place as a consequence.

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There will be far more red tape and bureaucracy when we leave the EU and business readers are clever enough to realise this. That's why they wanted the country to remain in the EU.https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eferendum-vote

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Making unfounded statements again I see. Do you have anything that backs that up?

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They need us more like but the world is a big place, certainly bigger than EU could ever hope to be.

US, Canada, India, Japan and Australia all screaming for trade deals once we leave.

It's not all doom and gloom you would have us believe.

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Typical BS story written in a pathetic anti-brexit rag. Mr K must have shares in those cretins. :rolleyes:

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Brexit vote impact starting to be felt. :(
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ight-on-brexit

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

And what unbiased sources do you follow Mick? Do tell and make your 10,000 post a good one ! ;)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

How long has the guardian been good at writing fiction ?

It sure looks like a remainers wet dream for fantasy stories. :rolleyes:

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Doh. You let us down with the 10,000th post :(

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Getting out of the wrong side of bed again I see. ;)

Your best bet is to Google the FT article "Brexit and customs union — what’s at stake for Britain" which explains the situation. Some other snippets are below:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...lers-lf0h3mc9x

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ding-3pkntp2j5

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Congratulations on your 10,000 post. :)

I can't answer your question but the article you refer to was in fact penned by Barry Eichengreen who is a professor of economics at the University of California.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

With Brexit, with Poland now also waving the finger at the EU. It really is not a bed of roses in this so called EU bloc. Over 1000 EU law violations were broken by member states towards the end of last year, it shows the defiance in other EU nations standing up to bureaucracy, all this can be summed up in just 3 short words, 'It's falling apart.'

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...claude-juncker

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Aside from Trump's social media, it's the alt-right-on-the-night Washington Examiner and this worthy journal of record. ;)

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So you doubt the Europeans Comission own official records? :rolleyes:

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As I've patiently pointed out on many an occasion here, The Express has a poor record in accuracy particularly around the EU. Like sheep to the slaughterhouse, some people are quite happy to believe what the millionaire owners tell them to believe even when it's patently wrong.
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/daily-...ace-of-a-week/

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Interesting and amusing insights into European countries' perspectives
http://www.cityam.com/270099/city-lo...ering-brussels

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

And this has zero to do with the European Commision report. :rolleyes:

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I've not read the European Commission's report and no one in their right mind would trust The Express to report anything on the EU correctly as I've evidenced.
The City AM article is far more colourful and informative. Go enjoy. :)

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:banghead:

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Cheer up Mick, tomorrow's Express will bring you stories you like. If not there's always the Fail or a good Harry Potter book ;)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Of which I neither read, nor want to.

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Yes you do Mick - MrK knows everything about everyone remember and everyone who disagrees with him reads the Mail or the Express and believes everything they print except when it comes to fax rolls and the NHS... :D

It's a typical distraction technique used by some folks who've lost the Brexit argument but aren't big enough to admit it or are still in denial. Either way they're losers and they clearly don't like it. :D

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Spot on, we aren't allowed to form our own opinions based on true facts that we see, feel around us.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Anyone remember the headlines in The Express recently? New border rules are just EU’s bid to punish Britain

More Fake News I'm afraid folks! The reality is that the stricter rules were proposed six months before the EU referendum in December 2015. The controls affect all passengers entering and leaving the border-free Schengen area, not just UK passengers. The six EU countries not in the Schengen area Bulgaria, Cyprus, Hungary, Ireland, Romania, and the UK.
https://fullfact.org/europe/european...-brexit-blame/

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Source

Lap it up remoaners. :)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Interesting and large poll, thanks for sharing, but I thought we'd agree to halt the name-calling?

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Honestly never thought I would see this happen even with the Brexit vote.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7888966.html

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Glad I haven't changed my Euros back to Pounds. They could be a very solid investment.

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It won't make any difference to me as l am Ad infinitum meaning venturing abroad is a no no permanently.;)

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Walking away now, instead of waiting two years would solve a lot of issues. This two year waiting nonsense.

Very little progress is being made causing uncertainty. Yep, we need to cut our ties immediately and leave the corrupt establishment.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Go for it Den, always ways and means. I highly recommend Venice or Barcelona. You'll probably get better healthcare in the EU.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Yeah the Eurocrats seem to think that the more uncertainty they cause, the more likely they are to get what they want at the UK's expense. We mustn't let them do that and thankfully the public mood is far removed from that which certain remainers here like to pretend. The EU is used is to getting it's own way and singlemindedly pursuing its own single state ideology which ought to be the biggest reason for leaving.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Um, fact check, it was the UK that decided to leave the EU and not the other way round! So the initial uncertainty has been caused by that decision and worsened by disagreements in the cabinet as to what our negotiating position should be. Whilst the UK has published a paper on one area, the EU has published its negotiating position in all areas. The EU has therefore given clarity and certainty to the situation, it's the UK Government that has failed to deliver here.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

It's really pissed off those old pissants in the EU, that their prize Stallion (That's us, major contributor), has the left the stable, they're trying to contain the situation, but with Polexit becoming increasingly likely, they really are trying to close the doors before more horses bolt. Only problem is, the hinges to the doors are loose. :D

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First of all it was the Eurozone will fail in five years. People said that ten years ago. Then this year it was France and the Netherlands leaving.
Now that those two stable doors have been shut it's time to clutch at the straw in the stable and select an EU net recipient and Russia-fearing Poland as a likely country to leave. :D Won't happen. As I posted from City AM, Poland's agenda is to maximise the settlement from the UK not leave.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Everyday day and in every way, posts from die hard Brexiters become more desperate. Even they are now seeing the consequences for our economy, and are getting increasingly angry about it. However who can they blame ? the EU for forcing us to leave?

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Me desperate? LMFAO. :rofl:

I think for desperation, think you need a mirror.

The right outcome was made. We are leaving and I cannot wait when that day comes.

Still don't regret my vote. Let that sink in. :p:

#StillNoRegrets

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

As long as you have inner happiness Mick, that's the main thing :)
(money, jobs, the economy etc, are just material things after all)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

What a big pile of steaming nonsense. You weren't on here 10 years ago and I and others, never said such things back then.

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I will be even more happy when you're proven to be wrong, like you are on so many other vast subjects. But carry on with your cherry picking. ;)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

As long as they have their chlorinated chicken to chew on, they''ll be happy. Things like having money to fund the NHS, electrifying the railway from Manchester to Newcastle and ensuring future generations have good jobs are just materialistic. #anypriceisworthpaying

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

The world is a much bigger place to do business with. Embrace the opportunities.

Also be realistic, the EU is failing. We are leaving the sinking corrupted mess of a ship.