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pip08456 12-11-2017 09:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35924592)
Not to do with Trump so much but don't want a start a new thread.

In Alabama there is a Special Election for the Senate in December. Normally this is a safe Republican seat but the Republican candidate has been accused by many women of going after teenagers including one who was 14 years old when he was in this thirties.

They can't remove him from the ballot so some Republicans are still publicly backing him. Now though it's a closer race.
The problem there is that it is legal to marry at 14 in Alabama with parental consent. He had consent to be with her at the time (allegedly) and there is no accusation on sexual impropriety.

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The state requires a $200 bond to be executed, payable to the State of Alabama. If one or both parents are deceased, proper evidence of such must be provided. Individuals under the age of 14 may not marry.
Same in South Carolina.

https://www.thespruce.com/legal-age-...-state-2300971

Damien 12-11-2017 09:16
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The accusation is specifically about a 'sexual encounter' and not marriage:

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A woman named Leigh Corfman says that when she was 14 years old in 1979, Moore initiated a sexual encounter with her when he was 32 years old, The Washington Post reported. Three other women told the Post that Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18.

He asked for Corfman's phone number and picked up a few days later near her house and drove her to his home in the woods 30 minutes away, the report said. Moore told Corfman "how pretty she was and kissed her," the report said.

Moore, on a second visit, took off Corfman's shirt and pants and he removed his own clothes, the report said, which added that he touched her over her bra and underwear and "he guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
But either way it's unlikely any conviction is going to be brought against him but the reaction from the public of him doing that when he was 30 years old and she was 14.

pip08456 12-11-2017 09:35
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We can only wait and see what happens rather than jumping to conclusions without evidence. An accusation is not proof of guilt.

denphone 12-11-2017 09:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35924597)
We can only wait and see what happens rather than jumping to conclusions without evidence. An accusation is not proof of guilt.
Indeed it is not proof of guilt but sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire.

Damien 12-11-2017 09:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35924597)
We can only wait and see what happens rather than jumping to conclusions without evidence. An accusation is not proof of guilt.
No but then these allegations are rarely if ever 100% proven. That they have multiple testimony from different women is generally how we handle it. Same with Kevin Spacey and the rest that are coming out now.

passingbat 12-11-2017 10:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35924597)
We can only wait and see what happens rather than jumping to conclusions without evidence. An accusation is not proof of guilt.

I fully agree. we need the evidence, and they need to postpone the vote until this is settled.


I did watch this yesterday, which is an interview with the Judge, followed by a panel discussion, which should be watched. My concerns lined up with 3 panellists. They are concerns, definitely, not evidence.


I personally felt very uneasy with the way the Judge answered the questions in the interview; he seemed a little wooly with his answers, but it is 40 years ago. But pip08456 is bang on in how it should be handled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcsudlrWUPs

Damien 12-11-2017 11:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35924611)
I fully agree. we need the evidence, and they need to postpone the vote until this is settled.


I did watch this yesterday, which is an interview with the Judge, followed by a panel discussion, which should be watched. My concerns lined up with 3 panellists. They are concerns, definitely, not evidence.


I personally felt very uneasy with the way the Judge answered the questions in the interview; he seemed a little wooly with his answers, but it is 40 years ago. But pip08456 is bang on in how it should be handled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcsudlrWUPs
It's not going to be resolved. This is it unless other stuff emerges.

People either believe the women or they believe him. No point postponing the vote.

Mick 12-11-2017 12:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35924602)
No but then these allegations are rarely if ever 100% proven. That they have multiple testimony from different women is generally how we handle it. Same with Kevin Spacey and the rest that are coming out now.
The issue with Spacey, while being utterly repugnant, he did somewhat admit to sexual advances with an underage male actor but then used this bombshell news, to ‘coming out’ that he was living as a gay man.

I don’t see how it’s the same, when this Moore, Republican guy is flat out denying the stories in the Washington Post, hardly a neutral source, I read also that one of the women accusers has campaign links to Hillary Clinton, everything she touches, or is involved with gets tainted or corrupted.

The most basic questions of common sense have to be asked about all this. How did the Washington Post reporter know there were four women?

How did they know how to contact them?

How is it that the reporter's anonymous source, who they just happen to bump into, knew about the four women, who all don’t know each other and have never met and knew each woman's story and contact information?

And the most crucial question.... Why hasn’t any of this been reported in Moore’s 38 years in politics? And why now? – A month before an important election to fill Jeff Sessions’ senate seat?

All a little too convenient. :rolleyes:

Damien 12-11-2017 13:15
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I presume it’s coming out now precisely because he is now more prominent and because a lot of sexual assault allegations are coming out since Weinstein. I assume the Washington Post sourced the story in the same way The New York Times broke the Weinstein story, talking to the right people.

As I said this is where it’s at and people can decide themselves if they’re credible. The woman who was 14 is a Republican and Trump voter just in case people try to discredit her. They’ve also chosen to be named so there is little point trying to say The Post made it up. They have named sources.

The question people need to ask themselves is if this were a Democrat would they believe it? No need for them to answer to anyone else about how they judge it but just a way to check if they’re being intellectually honest to themselves or if everything has become so partisan that it’s affected their perception.

Mr K 12-11-2017 16:50
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Mmm. it is interesting that to much of Trump's following all Democrats are guilty of any accusation and all Republicans must be innocent. E.g. Crooked Hillary denies any wrong doing (and hasn't been prosecuted) but she must be Guilty as Trumpy says so. (aided by his Russian social media friends).

Hugh 13-11-2017 19:00
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ons/858580001/

The Republican Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, has stated he believes the women.
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Monday he believes the women who have alleged that Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore pursued romantic relationships with them when they were teenagers.

“I believe the women, yes,’’ he said.

McConnell, speaking to reporters at a plant in Kentucky, also urged the Alabama Republican to step aside from the Senate race, which voters will decide next month.

Damien 14-11-2017 22:10
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There is a story going around the Trump sphere that one of he accusers was paid $1,000 for the story. It's (literally) fake news: https://www.thedailybeast.com/troll-...seals-identity

The Twitter user in question has since deleted 'his' account.

1andrew1 14-11-2017 23:02
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35925020)
There is a story going around the Trump sphere that one of he accusers was paid $1,000 for the story. It's (literally) fake news: https://www.thedailybeast.com/troll-...seals-identity

The Twitter user in question has since deleted 'his' account.
Despite what your colleagues may feel, Trump and fake news are two peas in the same pod. As we saw with his take on the birther situation.

Mick 15-11-2017 10:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35925023)
Despite what your colleagues may feel, Trump and fake news are two peas in the same pod. As we saw with his take on the birther situation.
That Clinton supporters had no problem carrying on the birther row when it was Obama vs Hillary in 2008.

Hugh 15-11-2017 10:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925054)
That Clinton supporters had no problem carrying on the birther row when it was Obama vs Hillary in 2008.
False comparison between supporters who had no ties to the candidate or her staff, and Trump who offered $5 million dollars if anyone could prove it.

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There is no evidence that Clinton or her 2008 campaign ever floated the theory. While Clinton supporters circulated the allegations the last time she ran for president, they had no ties to either the candidate or her staff.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...lary-clinton-/

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Our ruling

Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama. But the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.

We rate Trump’s claim False.

Mick 15-11-2017 10:36
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I never said her campaign, I said supporters. I also never dismissed Trump started the row. So not sure why you went on another of your fact finding missions, it does not refute what I’m saying about her supporters.

Mr K 15-11-2017 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925064)
I never said her campaign, I said supporters. I also never dismissed Trump started the row. So not sure why you went on another of your fact finding missions, it does not refute what I’m saying about her supporters.
Isn't it annoying how those inconvenient facts spoil 'fake news' :rolleyes:

Damien 15-11-2017 19:34
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Trump is rumoured to be making a statement about Moore today. The suggestion is it will be to tell him to stand down.

pip08456 15-11-2017 20:20
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35925117)
Isn't it annoying how those inconvenient facts spoil 'fake news' :rolleyes:
Mick's "facts" have been known to reveal "fake news".

Damien 15-11-2017 20:40
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So far his press conference is about how everyone (Asia, NATO) love him. I assume he didn't just call the press conference for that....:erm:

TheDaddy 15-11-2017 21:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35925141)
So far his press conference is about how everyone (Asia, NATO) love him. I assume he didn't just call the press conference for that....:erm:
Never assume anything with the donald...

1andrew1 15-11-2017 22:04
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At least someone on Fox News has got the courage to call out the uranium fake news story so beloved of Trump and his followers. Congratulations to Shepard Smith.
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He then played a video of Trump’s version of the “scandal” in which he claimed:
“Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20 percent of America’s uranium holdings to Russia. Well, nine investors in the deal funnelled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.”
Smith called the statement “inaccurate in a number of ways,” noting that “the Clinton State Department had no power to veto or approve that transaction.” Rather, it must be approved by an interagency committee of the government consisting of nine department heads, including the Secretary of State.
Most of the Clinton Foundation donations in question, he pointed out, came from Frank Giustra, the founder of the uranium company in Canada. But Giustra, Smith noted, “says he sold his stake in the company back in 2007,” three years before the uranium/Russia deal and “a year and a half before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state.”
http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/tv-ra...s/201711150147

passingbat 15-11-2017 23:22
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35925151)
At least someone on Fox News has got the courage to call out the uranium fake news story so beloved of Trump and his followers. Congratulations to Shepard Smith.

http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/tv-ra...s/201711150147

Why not watch Hannity lay out his case personally, for comparison, and make your own judgement?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIr7RM9-LzY


Personally, I think there should an enquiry into this this, just as there is with potential Russian collusion.

Dude111 16-11-2017 03:10
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
This alternative media source (hopefully not fake!) seems to raise a fair point in that none of these anti-Trump celebs has followed through on their promise to leave the US if he was elected.
They dodnt mean it,they said it under SPITE .. They didnt think he woud be elected......

Mick 16-11-2017 17:17
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Oh dear, looks like more sexual allegations are afoot, more sexual perversion again from the Democrat side.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8058911.html

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Democratic Senator Al Franken has been accused of sexual assault as the national discussion about sexual harassment moves to the US capitol.

Leeann Tweeden, a morning news anchor for a Los Angeles radio station, claimed in an article for 790 KABC that Mr Franken kissed her and groped her without her consent during a tour through the Middle East.
There are reports as well of him groping (or pretending to) the woman while she was asleep.

Al Franken is a prominent Democrat and strong critic of President Trump, his following tweet did not age well from only a few weeks ago when the allegations of Moore came about, I have copied it to the following picture of him appearing to grope the woman while asleep.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1510852335

Damien 16-11-2017 17:21
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Al Franken should go obviously, rumours are that he'll resign.

Although I think it's a bit inconsistent to rightly believe the women accusing him and to dismiss the allegations against Moore especially when more women are coming forward and people at the mall say he was banned from it because of his behaviour.

Mick 16-11-2017 19:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35925272)
Al Franken should go obviously, rumours are that he'll resign.

Although I think it's a bit inconsistent to rightly believe the women accusing him and to dismiss the allegations against Moore especially when more women are coming forward and people at the mall say he was banned from it because of his behaviour.
There is that small thing though Damien, called evidence, there is a picture of Al Franken trying to commit a sexual act of harassment, even if it is meant as just a joke, it is clearly unacceptable, the women accusers of Moore, are accusers, I am not saying I do not believe them but it's so easy to cry foul and provide absolutely no evidence, it's his word against their's and until such, he is innocent until proven guilty.

But Al Franken, can't really escape the fact there is a picture of him being caught in on a dreadful act.

I think personally, Moore should step aside. He does not want to get voted in to a Senate seat, only to face the music there, with such a dark cloud hanging over him.

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BREAKING: U.S House Of Representatives has just passed President Donald Trump’s Tax Legislation, it will now go to a vote in the U.S Senate.

Dude111 16-11-2017 22:48
I wonder if things get worse from here.......

1andrew1 22-11-2017 00:15
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Buy one legal defeat, get another one free! Trump transgender and immigration policies meet legal defeat
The Trump administration has suffered twin legal defeats on its immigration and transgender policies.
A California judge permanently blocked a presidential order to cut funding from US cities that refuse to co-operate with immigration officials.
And a Maryland judge blocked the administration's ban on transgender people from serving in the military.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42060108

Mick 22-11-2017 01:04
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A California Judge. How surprising, not.

Trump Administration is fighting the Sanctuary cities funding ruling as it should, the President has executive authority over immigration in the United States, that’s in the Constitution. So Trump only needs to go to Supreme Court. It is crucial to note that in Phoenix, when Sanctuary city funding ceased, was one of a few factors in the murder rate dropping.

1andrew1 22-11-2017 07:46
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925857)
A California Judge. How surprising, not.

Trump Administration is fighting the Sanctuary cities funding ruling as it should, the President has executive authority over immigration in the United States, that’s in the Constitution. So Trump only needs to go to Supreme Court. It is crucial to note that in Phoenix, when Sanctuary city funding ceased, was one of a few factors in the murder rate dropping.
Do you have a proper source for this?

Hugh 22-11-2017 07:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925857)
A California Judge. How surprising, not.

Trump Administration is fighting the Sanctuary cities funding ruling as it should, the President has executive authority over immigration in the United States, that’s in the Constitution. So Trump only needs to go to Supreme Court. It is crucial to note that in Phoenix, when Sanctuary city funding ceased, was one of a few factors in the murder rate dropping.
The Maryland judge was appointed by President Bush (senior).

There is no such thing as Sanctuary City funding, so it couldn’t have been stopped in 2008 - the Trump EO was to stop Federal Grants and other funds to cities they classified as “sanctuary cities".

btw, crime dropped in most major US cities, including other "sanctuary cities", between 2008-2015...

https://thedailybanter.com/2017/07/c...ctuary-cities/

Mick 22-11-2017 09:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35925869)
The Maryland judge was appointed by President Bush (senior).

There is no such thing as Sanctuary City funding, so it couldn’t have been stopped in 2008 - the Trump EO was to stop Federal Grants and other funds to cities they classified as “sanctuary cities".
Not true, let me guess, you did your usual google searching and clicked the first viable link and believed what you saw to be a fact?

Hugh 22-11-2017 09:35
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Are you saying that the Maryland judge was not appointed by Bush Snr?

Mick 22-11-2017 09:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35925876)
Are you saying that the Maryland judge was not appointed by Bush Snr?
No.

1andrew1 24-11-2017 13:11
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35925867)
Do you have a proper source for this?
Still waiting for the source.

On an entirely separate subject, Facebook will now show users which Russian propaganda they followed. A bit late but an overdue initiative.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-they-followed

Mick 24-11-2017 13:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926172)
Still waiting for the source.

On an entirely separate subject, Facebook will now show users which Russian propaganda they followed. A bit late but an overdue initiative.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-they-followed
Then you can keep on waiting. I don’t take kindly to demands. :rolleyes: I’m still waiting for answers to my questions from months back from certain posters.

1andrew1 24-11-2017 17:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926175)
Then you can keep on waiting. I don’t take kindly to demands. :rolleyes: I’m still waiting for answers to my questions from months back from certain posters.
In an era of fake news, if anyone posts unsubstantiated statements on a forum, I would fully expect them to be challenged to support those statements.

Mick 24-11-2017 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926209)
In an era of fake news, if anyone posts unsubstantiated statements on a forum, I would fully expect them to be challenged to support those statements.
I don't care what you fully expect.

I know the information to be a fact, if you have trouble believing it, then you look for the sources. :rolleyes:

Damien 24-11-2017 19:15
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Unless I am missing something the Maryland Judge was appointed by Obama:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...el-ban-attempt

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A federal judge in Maryland has blocked parts of President Trump's most recent attempt to impose broad limits on who can enter the U.S., granting a motion for a preliminary injunction that was filed by plaintiffs led by the International Refugee Assistance Project.

The plaintiffs "have established that they are likely to succeed on the merits," District Judge Theodore D. Chuang wrote in the Tuesday order dealing another setback to the Trump administration's attempt to ban travel to the U.S. by citizens of certain countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_D._Chuang

But I don't like the idea of turning the justice system into a Democrat vs Republican thing. This is why judges have tenure and lifetime appointments, to be free of political pressure, and it works. There needs to be a system that both sides agree on otherwise the whole thing falls down.

Mick 24-11-2017 19:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926246)

But I don't like the idea of turning the justice system into a Democrat vs Republican thing. This is why judges have tenure and lifetime appointments, to be free of political pressure, and it works. There needs to be a system that both sides agree on otherwise the whole thing falls down.
It's never going to go away, GOP vs DNC. The two party system in America is broken.

As much as they worship the Constitution, it is in large parts, outdated.

To put things in to perspective, the last amendment, Amendment 27, took 202 years to be ratified, after it was first proposed back in 1789!!!

Amendment 27 was finally ratified to the Constitution in 1992, 25 years ago.

1andrew1 24-11-2017 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926245)
I don't care what you fully expect.

I know the information to be a fact, if you have trouble believing it, then you look for the sources. :rolleyes:
You may well be right with your statement but until you cite a reliable source then it just looks like more unsubstantiated opinion and less like the reliable fact-based arguments you were once known for.

Mick 24-11-2017 19:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926253)
You may well be right with your statement but until you cite a reliable source then it just looks like more unsubstantiated opinion and less like the reliable fact-based arguments you were once known for.
What is the obsession with you wanting to prove my posts are correct or not?

Damien just highlighted that Hugh was wrong on who appointed the Maryland Judge, it was Obama, not Bush, but I did not see you chasing Hugh's posts and confirming his sources were correct or not.

As I said earlier, I do not take too kindly to people who have a demanding attitude, such as they 'expect' or are 'waiting', on something from me. They will be waiting for hell to freeze over, with this kind of attitude because I will simply just ignore it.

Mr K 24-11-2017 20:02
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926255)
As I said earlier, I do not take too kindly to people who have a demanding attitude, such as they 'expect' or are 'waiting', on something from me. They will be waiting for hell to freeze over, with this kind of attitude because I will simply just ignore it.
You've got a lot in common with the Donald Mick !

1andrew1 24-11-2017 20:19
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926255)
What is the obsession with you wanting to prove my posts are correct or not?

Damien just highlighted that Hugh was wrong on who appointed the Maryland Judge, it was Obama, not Bush, but I did not see you chasing Hugh's posts and confirming his sources were correct or not.

As I said earlier, I do not take too kindly to people who have a demanding attitude, such as they 'expect' or are 'waiting', on something from me. They will be waiting for hell to freeze over, with this kind of attitude because I will simply just ignore it.
Call me old-fashioned but it's pretty accepted for anyone who makes a controversial statement to back it up with evidence. Damien and Hugh do cite sources but for some reason you seem to feel that's no longer necessary.

Mick 24-11-2017 20:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926269)
Call me old-fashioned but it's pretty accepted for anyone who makes a controversial statement to back it up with evidence. Damien and Hugh do cite sources but for some reason you seem to feel that's no longer necessary.
I have not made a controversial statement.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926263)
You've got a lot in common with the Donald Mick !
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Iyau...YIda/giphy.gif

Mr K 24-11-2017 20:51
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Cased proved I think. :D

1andrew1 24-11-2017 21:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926283)
Cased proved I think. :D
Exactly. Some people seem to think that they're above facts and evidence, they're just needed for the likes of you and me to keep us in our place.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926271)
I have not made a controversial statement.
How about this unsourced one. "It is crucial to note that in Phoenix, when Sanctuary city funding ceased, was one of a few factors in the murder rate dropping."

Mick 24-11-2017 22:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926290)

How about this unsourced one. "It is crucial to note that in Phoenix, when Sanctuary city funding ceased, was one of a few factors in the murder rate dropping."
That's not a controversial fact. If you still do not believe it, go search for it, the time it has taken you to keep pestering me to do so, you could have done a google search by now.

I will not say this again. I suggest you do a search on it, because I am not because I believe it to be accurate.

Damien 24-11-2017 22:44
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This is the President of the United States: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...89999045693441

Quote:
Time Magazine called to say that I was PROBABLY going to be named “Man (Person) of the Year,” like last year, but I would have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. I said probably is no good and took a pass. Thanks anyway!

1andrew1 24-11-2017 22:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926296)
That's not a controversial fact. If you still do not believe it, go search for it, the time it has taken you to keep pestering me to do so, you could have done a google search by now.

I will not say this again. I suggest you do a search on it, because I am not because I believe it to be accurate.
I appreciate that you may think it's beneath you to bother with sources. Believe me, it doesn't help your arguments. I appreciate that snowflakes may feel that asking for evidence to support weak statements is pestering; bless; but no one's asking you to swim the channel! :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926298)
This is the President of the United States: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...89999045693441
lol, he and his followers make Alan Partridge look balanced and secure in themselves!

Mick 25-11-2017 00:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926299)
I appreciate that you may think it's beneath you to bother with sources. Believe me, it doesn't help your arguments. I appreciate that snowflakes may feel that asking for evidence to support weak statements is pestering; bless; but no one's asking you to swim the channel! :rolleyes:

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lol, he and his followers make Alan Partridge look balanced and secure in themselves!
You’re priceless, you’ve gone from my factual comment being a controversial statement to a weak statement. Which it is neither and it’s nothing to do with being above or beneath anything, as I have told you, I refuse to respond to your obsession and pathetic ‘demands’ for evidence, it’s out there, go look for it!

TheDaddy 25-11-2017 04:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926298)
This is the President of the United States: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...89999045693441
This is the president to, he had fake man of the year covers hanging in his golf clubs!!! He really is a very special individual


http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-time-cover-in

1andrew1 25-11-2017 06:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926308)
You’re priceless, you’ve gone from my factual comment being a controversial statement to a weak statement. Which it is neither and it’s nothing to do with being above or beneath anything, as I have told you, I refuse to respond to your obsession and pathetic ‘demands’ for evidence, it’s out there, go look for it!
Never mind that everyone else makes an effort to support their statements with links so we can continue the debate. Somehow you feel it's up to everyone else to do your homework for you. :confused:
Sorry, you're not Donald Trump and to borrow a metaphor, you'll have to learn to tie your own shoelaces, I won't tie them for you.

Mick 25-11-2017 09:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926317)
Never mind that everyone else makes an effort to support their statements with links so we can continue the debate. Somehow you feel it's up to everyone else to do your homework for you. :confused:
Sorry, you're not Donald Trump and to borrow a metaphor, you'll have to learn to tie your own shoelaces, I won't tie them for you.
No they do not. Stop BS me.

You need to stop going on and on about this. I believe the statement is accurate. You are the one who does not, first calling it controversial then weak. If you have difficulty believing the information, then go look it up, the onus is on YOU!

Now stop going on about it, stop making silly remarks because I refuse to bow to your demands. Enough is enough. What you are doing is bordering on harassment and I will take this further if I have to.

1andrew1 25-11-2017 10:20
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926326)
No they do not. Stop BS me.

You need to stop going on and on about this. I believe the statement is accurate. You are the one who does not, first calling it controversial then weak. If you have difficulty believing the information, then go look it up, the onus is on YOU!

Now stop going on about it, stop making silly remarks because I refuse to bow to your demands. Enough is enough. What you are doing is bordering on harassment and I will take this further if I have to.
My apologies for any stress I have caused in pursuing my argument about the need for evidence, let's agree to disagree on this point and move on. :)

Mick 25-11-2017 10:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926330)
My apologies for any stress I have caused in pursuing my argument about the need for evidence, let's agree to disagree on this point and move on. :)
Wise move. At the end of the day, you’re behaving in a way, as if I’m on trial with your obsession with evidence. Clue: I’m not.

Hugh 25-11-2017 12:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926246)
Unless I am missing something the Maryland Judge was appointed by Obama:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...el-ban-attempt



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_D._Chuang

But I don't like the idea of turning the justice system into a Democrat vs Republican thing. This is why judges have tenure and lifetime appointments, to be free of political pressure, and it works. There needs to be a system that both sides agree on otherwise the whole thing falls down.
Your NPR link was from October, from the previous round of legal wrangling.

I was basing my assertion on the original link, which stated
Quote:
Meanwhile, in Baltimore on Tuesday, US District Judge Marvin Garbis delivered another blow to the Trump administration by blocking its ban on transgender people serving in the military.
http://www.mdd.uscourts.gov/marvin-j...district-judge
Quote:
In July 1989, Judge Garbis received notification that he had been nominated by President Bush for appointment to a vacant seat on the United States District Court for the District of Maryland. This appointment was confirmed by the Senate on October 25, 1989, and finalized on December 8, 1989, when he was commissioned.
Most of the other media outlets are stating it was Judge Marvin Garbis who runs led on the trans-gender ban.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...litary-n823226

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...cbe_story.html

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-us...-idUKKBN1DM059

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/u...-military.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-by-u-s-judge

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/21/po...der/index.html

Damien 25-11-2017 12:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35926340)
Your NPR link was from October, from the previous round of legal wrangling.

I was basing my assertion on the original link, which stated

http://www.mdd.uscourts.gov/marvin-j...district-judge

Most of the other media outlets are stating it was Judge Marvin Garbis who runs led on the trans-gender ban.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...litary-n823226

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...cbe_story.html

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-us...-idUKKBN1DM059

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/u...-military.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-by-u-s-judge

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/21/po...der/index.html
Ahh! I did suspect I was missing something. Apologies! :tu:

Hugh 27-11-2017 17:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
@RealDonaldJTrump

We should have a contest as to which of the Networks, plus CNN and
not including Fox, is the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political
coverage of your favorite President (me). They are all bad. Winner to receive
the FAKE NEWS TROPHY!

2:04 PM - 27 Nov 2017
It's the "(me)" that just sums it up.... :D

Damien 27-11-2017 17:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
He wasn’t even the favourite choice for President in the election he won. :D

Mick 27-11-2017 18:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926613)
He wasn’t even the favourite choice for President in the election he won. :D
He was, according to the more States he won, that’s how the Presidency is decided, not by the heavy population numbers on either side of the Country.

Damien 27-11-2017 18:15
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926616)
He was, according to the more States he won, that’s how the Presidency is decided, not by the heavy population numbers on either side of the Country.
I was taking about the people

Mick 27-11-2017 19:11
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926617)
I was taking about the people
Yes, I know.

Thankfully, the Presidency is not decided by total voter tally, otherwise it would just be the typically left leaning liberal population in New York and California deciding elections and we can’t have that and forget about all the conservative people living in the middle.

We could certainly open up the debate about the actual vote tally, how many illegal votes were cast for her, people voting twice by crossing State lines and voting in both States and also how many illegal immigrants would have voted for her, given Trumps stance on stricter border controls.

At the end of the day, we could argue till the cows come home, it does not matter one iota. He is the 45th President, she is not (thankfully).

Either way, I don’t get the need to pick apart nearly every tweet of his, this is who this President is. Perhaps congress might come up with a 28th Amendment banning all Government employees up to and including the President from posting on Twitter. But then that may actually breach the first Amendment, which prohibits further laws against free speech. :shrug:

Damien 27-11-2017 19:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926628)
We could certainly open up the debate about the actual vote tally, how many illegal votes were cast for her, people voting twice by crossing State lines and voting in both States and also how many illegal immigrants would have voted for her, given Trumps stance on stricter border controls.
But there is no evidence at all that any voter fraud comes anywhere close the amount it would take for Trump to have won the popular vote. It’s only been made a debate to try and make an unknown who won the popular vote. It’s not unknown, it was Clinton.

Quote:
At the end of the day, we could argue till the cows come home, it does not matter one iota. He is the 45th President, she is not (thankfully).
Yup, I am not contesting the fact he won the election.

Quote:
Either way, I don’t get the need to pick apart nearly every tweet of his, this is who this President is. Perhaps congress might come up with a 28th Amendment banning all Government employees up to and including the President from posting on Twitter. But then that may actually breach the first Amendment, which prohibits further laws against free speech. :shrug:
We look at his tweets because he is the President and the most powerful man in the world. I don’t think we should ban it but we can still mock him for it.

Mr K 27-11-2017 20:17
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926631)

We look at his tweets because he is the President and the most powerful man in the world. I don’t think we should ban it but we can still mock him for it.
Not on Mick's forum you can't Damien ;)

Mick 27-11-2017 20:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926637)
Not on Mick's forum you can't Damien ;)
:dig:

Osem 27-11-2017 21:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
... denial, 'stalking', abuse - typical fare for those who are bereft of any cogent argument...

Mick 27-11-2017 21:19
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35926644)
... denial, 'stalking', abuse - typical fare for those who are bereft of any cogent argument...
This is just it, no one on the team has banned any form of the discussion, it’s particular provocative labels cast on other members that’s frowned upon. The terms ‘Fan boys’, ‘usual suspects’, yes I do have a problem with them being used on here. We’re adults, not kids in a playground.

Osem 27-11-2017 21:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926647)
This is just it, no one on the team has banned any form of the discussion, it’s particular provocative labels cast on other members that’s frowned upon. The terms ‘Fan boys’, ‘usual suspects’, yes I do have a problem with them being used on here. We’re adults, not kids in a playground.
Yeah but there's only one nasty party blah blah blah.... :D

Damien 27-11-2017 22:11
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
James O'Keefe, the guy who likes to record undercover videos and cut them to put his subjects in a bad light, went to the Washington Post with a fabricated story about Roy Moore in order to bust them.

The Washington Post didn't bite: https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.70b4e4c65f21

Quote:
In a series of interviews over two weeks, the woman shared a dramatic story about an alleged sexual relationship with Moore in 1992 that led to an abortion when she was 15. During the interviews, she repeatedly pressed Post reporters to give their opinions on the effects that her claims could have on Moore’s candidacy if she went public.

The Post did not publish an article based on her unsubstantiated account. When Post reporters confronted her with inconsistencies in her story and an Internet posting that raised doubts about her motivations, she insisted that she was not working with any organization that targets journalists.

But on Monday morning, Post reporters saw her walking into the New York offices of Project Veritas, an organization that targets the mainstream news media and left-leaning groups. The organization sets up undercover “stings” that involve using false cover stories and covert video recordings meant to expose what the group says is media bias.
There is a strong campaign underway to discredit the women that have accused Moore.

Same with the Hollywood cases though newspapers don't print people's stories without some checking. They conduct multiple interviews, check if the account is consistent with the pattern of behaviour learned from other interviews (which is why there usually has to be multiple accusers), check the times/places match up and any supporting evidence (i.e proof they knew the alleged abuser at the time). The idea you can walk in and spin any old story is naive even for Keefe.

Mick 27-11-2017 22:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump won’t campaign for Moore in the Alabama Senate race.

But with Sexual conduct issues on both sides of the aisle, Democrat Al Franken, who was photographed groping a TV News host whilst she was asleep is refusing to step down. There is also a growing scandal regarding tax payer funded settlements that appears to have snared another long serving Democrat, John Conyers in to sexual conduct allegations.

1andrew1 27-11-2017 23:46
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926631)
We look at his tweets because he is the President and the most powerful man in the world. I don’t think we should ban it but we can still mock him for it.
I'm no fan of the Clintons but that doesn't stop me mocking Donald Trump's tweets. They are comedy gold and the gift that keeps on giving. :D

Mr K 28-11-2017 08:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926647)
We’re adults, not kids in a playground.
Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35926650)
Yeah but there's only one nasty party blah blah blah.... :D
mmmm....

ianch99 28-11-2017 15:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926669)
Agreed.


mmmm....
Yup, agreed ..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35915131)
the usual suspects
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35917389)
the usual suspects
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35917389)
usual suspects
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35904587)
usual suspects

Carth 28-11-2017 16:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The Usual Suspects . . brilliant film 10/10

papa smurf 28-11-2017 16:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
the usual moaners ;)

Hugh 28-11-2017 17:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35926709)
the usual moaners ;)
I prefer to think of you as ‘downbeat’, rather than as a moaner...

Others may differ.

daveeb 28-11-2017 17:48
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35926717)
I prefer to think of you as ‘downbeat’, rather than as a moaner...

Others may differ.
You should offer the Donald some diplomacy lessons Hugh ;)

denphone 28-11-2017 18:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35926717)
I prefer to think of you as ‘downbeat’, rather than as a moaner...

Others may differ.
You mean he is a glum old sod ;) or what some call a little mirror image of Victor Meldrew.:D

ianch99 28-11-2017 18:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The Donald is getting some serious criticism from Retired General Hayden regarding his attacks on the press:

Retired general launches remarkable attack on Donald Trump: 'I have wasted 40 years of my life'

Quote:
'If this is who we are, I have wasted 40 years of my life,' says former intelligence chief
Remember everyone, Trump's press secretary has confirmed Generals are always right :)

Sarah Sanders: It’s “highly inappropriate” to question John Kelly — because he’s a general

Damien 29-11-2017 12:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump has retweeted anti-Muslim videos from the duputy leader of Britain First: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663

ianch99 29-11-2017 12:38
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926825)
Trump has retweeted anti-Muslim videos from the duputy leader of Britain First: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
These include:

VIDEO: Islamist mob pushes teenage boy off roof and beats him to death!
VIDEO: Muslim Destroys a Statue of Virgin Mary!
VIDEO: Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!

Wait for the "My account was hacked" excuse ...

Mick 29-11-2017 12:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926825)
Trump has retweeted anti-Muslim videos from the duputy leader of Britain First: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
So it does not bother you, a Muslim beating up on a white boy with crutches? I saw that video last night, not on Britain First tho, it had been retweeted.

Will liberals be more upset about the content of a video of a Muslim being violent or the fact a Muslim was being violently aggressive?

Damien 29-11-2017 12:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926828)
So it does not bother you, a Muslim beating up on a white boy with crutches? I saw that video last night, not on Britain First tho, it had been retweeted.
Yes it does bother me but Britain First didn't share it because of that alone but as part of a 'look at what the Muslims do' series of videos that is then retweeted by the President of the United States. The message isn't so much condemning the act of violence itself but the religion of the perpetrator. That part is what bothers me. As well as giving someone from Britain First a retweet and exposure to millions of people.

Quote:
Will liberals be more upset about the content of a video of a Muslim being violent or the fact a Muslim was being violently aggressive?
You can be upset at both you know? It's not a binary choice.

Mick 29-11-2017 13:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
But the worldwide MSM that’s going in to another meltdown has a far reaching audience than Trump, so they are also complicit by sharing, the sharer of the sharer, yes, no?

Btw I don’t think he should have posted them, but I’m not falling out of my chair about it. I do hope that Dutch boy is ok though.

Hugh 29-11-2017 14:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Strangely enough, the MSM reports on things the Leader of the Free World does, especially when he re-tweets Islamophobic hate messages from a far-right group*.

*as described in the Britain First twitter feed
Quote:
Donald Trump’s Twitter account just retweeted far right propaganda by Britain First’s deputy leader Jayda Fransen
Quote:
Donald Trump retweets Britain First deputy leader's Islamophobic posts
Quote:
Donald Trump retweets hate messages from Britain First deputy leader
The Dutch boy was beaten up by another dark haired Dutch boy, not a Muslim....

https://nos.nl/artikel/2205150-trump...lim-video.html

Translated
Quote:
The video appears to have originated in May and is from the Dutch site Dumpert. He is no longer there. According to weblog GeenStijl and De Telegraaf, the perpetrator was found and it turned out to be no Muslim or migrant at all.

Incidentally, Trump reticulated two other anti-Islam videos of Jayda Fransen this morning, who is vice-chairman of the extreme right-wing British group Britain First. Fransen was arrested in Northern Ireland earlier this month after insulting Muslims in a speech in Belfast.
I do believe that if Trump ate a small child, and the headlines were "Trump eats baby", some people would leap to his defence and state "it was a toddler, not a baby! - Fake News!"...

Carth 29-11-2017 16:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
He's a clever bloke is that Mr Trump

He's put himself in the firing line, and succeeded in bringing 'anti muslim propaganda'* to the attention of every media outlet in the world.

It's being talked about, argued about, proved, disproven, lectured upon etc etc by all parties. If there was ever a surefire way to motivate people into discussing a topic, he's the master of it.

*not sure if that's a PC phrase or not?

Mr K 29-11-2017 19:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Statement from Downing Street 'its wrong what the President has done'. Bet that's scared him !
He really is a cretin and the biggest peddler of FAKE news going.
The murderer of Jo Cox shouted 'Britain First' before he killed her and he's retweeted them.
Really hope we tell him he's not welcome here and withdraw his backside licking invite.

1andrew1 30-11-2017 01:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926828)
So it does not bother you, a Muslim beating up on a white boy with crutches?
More fake news, Mick. When will you step up and condemn Trump for these falsehoods? Theresa May has done just this.

Mick 30-11-2017 02:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35926894)
More fake news, Mick. When will you step up and condemn Trump for these falsehoods? Theresa May has done just this.
So Radical Islamic Extremists chucking gays off buildings is a falsehood ?

As for condemning Trump, I did, if you bother to read an earlier post, I said I don't think he should have posted it!

FFS, Open your eyes ! :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 02:21 ---------- Previous post was at 02:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926865)
Statement from Downing Street 'its wrong what the President has done'. Bet that's scared him !
It didn't, he's tweeted in the last half hour or so, telling May, not to focus on him and focus on the Radical Islamic Terrorism, in this Country.

Quote:
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
.@Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine!
5:02 pm - 29 Nov 2017
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
The murderer of Jo Cox shouted 'Britain First' before he killed her and he's retweeted them.
I'd pretty much say with accuracy that Trump does not know who 'Britain First' is or who Jo Cox was, from what I see, he has basically been sloppy by retweeting one of his 45 followers. Ann Coulter, who he follows, originally retweeted the video posted on BF's Deputy Twitter page, 12 hours earlier than Trump did. He's basically seen her tweeter feed and retweeted it and not done any verification checks on the content posted.

Damien 30-11-2017 06:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
May tried to tone the line between criticising the tweets and not irratating Trump, doesn’t seem to have worked.

Hugh 30-11-2017 08:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926895)
So Radical Islamic Extremists chucking gays off buildings is a falsehood ?

As for condemning Trump, I did, if you bother to read an earlier post, I said I don't think he should have posted it!

FFS, Open your eyes ! :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 02:21 ---------- Previous post was at 02:03 ----------



It didn't, he's tweeted in the last half hour or so, telling May, not to focus on him and focus on the Radical Islamic Terrorism, in this Country.





I'd pretty much say with accuracy that Trump does not know who 'Britain First' is or who Jo Cox was, from what I see, he has basically been sloppy by retweeting one of his 45 followers. Ann Coulter, who he follows, originally retweeted the video posted on BF's Deputy Twitter page, 12 hours earlier than Trump did. He's basically seen her tweeter feed and retweeted it and not done any verification checks on the content posted.
Yea, it’s Fake News.

They were Muslim Brotherhood supporters murdering teenagers who had been celebrating the ousting of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi by the army in July 2013 - nothing to do with being gay. Two of the murderers were sentenced in 2014, one for life and one was executed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-floor.html

Mick 30-11-2017 08:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35926903)
Yea, it’s Fake News.

They were Muslim Brotherhood supporters murdering teenagers who had been celebrating the ousting of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi by the army in July 2013 - nothing to do with being gay. Two of the murderers were sentenced in 2014, one for life and one was executed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-floor.html
It’s not fake at all, it has happened before today.

Damien 30-11-2017 08:25
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
So to reiterate:

The President of the United States has retweeted Britain First videos, at least two of which are not that they were alleged to be. Then when Downing Street issued the mildest of rebukes to the President, suggesting retweeting a far-right British group is wrong, he attacks Downing Street rather than deleting the tweets.

We cannot trust this guy when it comes to doing a deal. He flies off the handle so easily and seems not to have any form of self-control.

The idea of the President promoting a group which split from the BNP because it saw it as too moderate would have been the stuff of dystopian fiction just a few years ago.

Mr Banana 30-11-2017 08:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Pretty shocked by Trumps tweet. We are doing just fine? He is such an insensitive idiot. As many responders have said, the parents of the kids killed in the Texas church massacre don't think we are doing just fine.

@Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine!

Mick 30-11-2017 08:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926905)
So to reiterate:

The President of the United States has retweeted Britain First videos, at least two of which are not that they were alleged to be,.Then when Downing Street issued the mildest of rebukes to the President, suggesting retweeting a far-right British group is wrong, he attacks Downing Street rather than deleting the tweets.

We cannot trust this guy when it comes to doing a deal. He flies off the handle so easily and seems not to have any form of self-control.

The idea of the President promoting a group which split from the BNP because it saw it as too moderate would have been the stuff of dystopian fiction just a few years ago.

---------- Post added at 08:25 ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 ----------



Hugh is talking about the video. The video isn't true just because it's happened elsewhere.
So?

It has happened. It happens. We need to stop defending those murderous assholes, that’s ISIS, btw, of their brutal ways. They are radical and more muslims are getting this way. People are afraid to say it how it is at the risk of sounding racist, it is not racist, to state a religion has radicalised ideology, of violence and hate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-pe...uslim-society/

Two gays, thrown off buildings, by ISIS, who pleaded to be shot rather than hauled off a building.

So no, it is not a falsehood that Radical Islamic Extremists, chuck gays off buildings. I can google search as well. :rolleyes:

Damien 30-11-2017 08:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926908)
So?

It has happened. It happens. We need to stop defending those murderous assholes, that’s ISIS, btw, of their brutal ways. They are radical and more muslims are getting this way. People are afraid to say it how it is at the risk of sounding racist, it is not racist, to state a religion has radicalised ideology, of violence and hate.
No one is defending ISIS here Mick.

Quote:
So no, it is not a falsehood that Radical Islamic Extremists, chuck gays off buildings. I can google search as well. :rolleyes:
Hugh didn't say that it happens is fake, he was talking about the video and you know it.

Mick 30-11-2017 08:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926909)
No one is defending ISIS here Mick.



Hugh didn't say that it happens is fake, he was talking about the video and you know it.
I was not talking about the video, though, I said initially, that it is not a falsehood what ISIS does to gays and I made a generalisation, I never mentioned the video and Hugh, in his rush to google search, came back to say what I was generalising to be a falsehood. No it isn’t as the CBS source link shows, as we know got to provide evidence these days on here. :rolleyes:

papa smurf 30-11-2017 08:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926910)
I was not talking about the video, though, I said initially, that it is not a falsehood what ISIS does to gays and I made a generalisation, I never mentioned the video and Hugh, in his rush to google search, came back to say what I was generalising to be a falsehood. No it isn’t as the CBS source link shows, as we know got to provide evidence these days on here. :rolleyes:
affectionately known as a hughgle search ;)


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