Cable Forum - Coronavirus

Problem with that is, it wasn’t a sample size of 1000, to make those conclusions on How Brexit party voters or SNP party voters view the vaccine. It was a sample size of 25 & 48.

If they had asked 1000 Brexit party voters and a 1000 SNP voters, you’d have a point.

heero_yuy

25-02-2021 10:03

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Quote from The Sun:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

France followed Germany in begging citizens to get the Oxford Covid vaccine today - as the EU faces a massive shortfall in doses.

The French government admitted the AstraZeneca jab has an "image deficit" in the country weeks after Emmanuel Macron falsely claimed it doesn't work.

France's health ministry conceded today there had been "feeble" uptake of the life-saving Oxford vaccine.

Real-world results show it is 94 per cent effective at reducing hospital admissions for Covid.

But only 107,000 people in France have had a dose so far - and authorities said they want to "rehabilitate" its image.

EU politicians spreading misinformation about the effectiveness of the jab has led many Europeans to believe it doesn't work.

What a shambolic state of affairs.:rolleyes: Good thing we went our own way.

jfman

25-02-2021 10:08

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The Sun being an obvious unbiased observer on all things EU.

papa smurf

25-02-2021 10:23

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We were wrong and now we have a problem! Germany in humiliating u-turn on AstraZeneca

THE Chairman of a committee that advised Germany that the AstraZeneca vaccine should not be given to over-65s has admitted that the country is now having problems getting people to take the Oxford jab following their U-turn.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...pdate-video-vn

Sephiroth

25-02-2021 11:51

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36071877)

And just as much to the point, the dismal vaccination rate in Germany and France prevents them from having a roadmap to opening up.
newspapers are all over the UK progress and demanding the same from their government; the French papers seem to avoid mentioning the UK, which is very strange because they are busy showing the awful raging spread of Covid in many regions.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36071872)

The Sun being an obvious unbiased observer on all things EU.

Is the Sun wrong? or are you just having your "fun"?

jfman

25-02-2021 12:07

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The Sun haven't presented enough data to indicate if the Sun are wrong or right. There's the usual spin and hyperbole, selective quotations from officials.

What is the non-attendance rate at vaccination centres? Do many turn up then walk away because it's not a Pfizer vaccine?

A quick trawl of news sites indicates a lot of English interest in the story but not much traction in EU press, which is odd as they're one of the most effective ways at getting the message out to get vaccinated.

I'm about to combine two of everyone's favourite things on the forum polling and an FT link:

https://www.ft.com/content/1157896c-...c-e59f2752aaac

Indicates vaccine hesitancy predates any conversations around the AZ vaccine.

Chris

25-02-2021 12:08

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36071872)

The Sun being an obvious unbiased observer on all things EU.

The story originated in an interview on the Today programme this morning, with the man who chairs Germany's vaccination committee - the same committee that decided to advise against giving the AZ vaccine to anyone over 65.

I know your world view has taken a proper beating over the past couple of weeks but sooner or later you're going to have to just choke it down. The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and very effective in all age groups, even when the UK government's dosage regime is used in preference to that originally recommended by the manufacturer.

The British Government, and the devolved administrations, have played a blinder while it is in fact the French and German governments that have indulged in the very vaccine nationalism you have been quick to accuse our leaders of. The upshot is, now they finally have some vaccines to use, they can't get their people to take them. It's an absolute disgrace.

jfman

25-02-2021 12:31

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36071908)

Ah the impartial BBC today programme.

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I know your world view has taken a proper beating over the past couple of weeks but sooner or later you're going to have to just choke it down. The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and very effective in all age groups, even when the UK government's dosage regime is used in preference to that originally recommended by the manufacturer.

I’m not sure what you mean by “my worldview”. Nobody has ever indicated they believe any of the vaccines to be unsafe - that’s a red herring. The effectiveness of the AZ vaccine was thrown into doubt by their own press release and subsequent interpretations.

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The British Government, and the devolved administrations, have played a blinder while it is in fact the French and German governments that have indulged in the very vaccine nationalism you have been quick to accuse our leaders of. The upshot is, now they finally have some vaccines to use, they can't get their people to take them. It's an absolute disgrace.

Again I’ve only asked if the data actually supports this through non-attendance at appointments or people actively walking out when offered the AZ one. Not selective quotations from a media that I’d be very reluctant to categorise as impartial.

I’m yet to see such data. Are we talking 1% of appointments? 10%? 50%? How does that compare with attendance in the UK?

Notably Germany haven’t reversed their advice on over 65s so I doubt there’s that much regret on the part of their committee or else they’d change position.

pip08456

25-02-2021 12:31

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36071872)

The Sun being an obvious unbiased observer on all things EU.

It's not just the Sun though but nice try.

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The French government has said it wants to “rehab” the AstraZeneca vaccine as EU leaders are trying to boost anxiety about jabs that have led to lower intakes.

“We will use all possible means to rehabilitate the vaccine,” the French Ministry of Health said.

https://www.letelegramme.fr/france/l...1-12709482.php

Chris

25-02-2021 12:39

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36071914)

Ah the impartial BBC today programme.

If the chairman of Germany's vaccination committee comes on and states, live on air, that he thinks his committees advice - and his government's subsequent spin on it - is contributing to a negative perception of the AZ vaccine in Germany, how is the BBC's impartiality (or otherwise) at play?

pip08456

25-02-2021 12:41

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"Germany is pushing hard for people to take the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine as many turn it down in hope of a Pfizer shot"

https://www.businessinsider.com/germ...21-2?r=US&IR=T

jfman

25-02-2021 12:45

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36071917)

Yet they haven’t reversed the advice?

As I say I’d be very interested in the data. What is a negative perception? A personal preference for one vaccine with higher efficacy? Non-attendance? A rise in the anti-vax movement?

None of this offered by a British press literally foaming at the mouth at the prospect of EU failure. A press who no doubt will be the first to complain if the same EU keeps it’s borders closed to third countries later in the year.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36071918)

"Germany is pushing hard for people to take the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine as many turn it down in hope of a Pfizer shot"

https://www.businessinsider.com/germ...21-2?r=US&IR=T

Newspapers quoting newspapers. My second favourite journalism behind newspapers quoting social media.

downquark1

25-02-2021 12:51

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The French have had bad experiences with vaccines and are more into alternative medicine* like homeopathy so they don't really surprise me. The Germans not taking it is surprising to me.

*I am being generous with that term.

1andrew1

25-02-2021 13:19

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Whilst many European countries have age-limited the Oxford-AstraZenecca vaccine, at least they've approved it. The US, Korea, Japan, Switzerland, New Zealand and many other countries have yet to approve it.

Hugh	25-02-2021 13:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36071927)

Explanation in this article why it’s not been approved in the USA.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahros...-hasnt-the-us/

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So, why hasn’t the FDA authorized it yet? The main reason is simple: the company hasn’t applied for emergency-use authorization yet. The process must be initiated by the company—regulators can’t get the ball rolling themselves.

In the U.S. there are several things holding the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine back, says Andrew Berens, an analyst at SVB Leerink. “I think a large part of the reason it hasn’t gotten an EUA in the U.S. yet is because the FDA wants to see the U.S. trial that’s ongoing,” he says. Berens estimates that the trial data will be available sometime in the first half of this year. A spokesperson for the company said this data would be available in “the coming weeks,” but wouldn’t provide a more concrete time line...

... clinical trials for the AstraZeneca vaccine have been plagued by starts and stops. Last fall, all global phase 3 clinical trials of the vaccine were suddenly halted after a patient in the U.K. showed symptoms of a serious neurological disorder called transverse myelitis. After a 45-day pause, the trial resumed in the U.S., but the delay put AstraZeneca more than a month behind its competitors...

... until it has positive phase 3 data from its U.S. clinical trials, AstraZeneca won’t submit an EUA application to the FDA. Once AstraZeneca applies, experts at the agency will review all the vaccine data in a process that can take several weeks and includes public committee hearings. Only after all that has been finished could another Covid-19 vaccine be available in the U.S.

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