Cable Forum - Post-Brexit Thread

I guess it's easier just to say that than to try and find countering evidence to mine which unsurprisingly you have been unable to do but doubtless not through want of trying.

I've given you three separate sources who have all backed up my statement, including one from retired British trade negotiator Roderick Abbott who during his more than 40-year career worked on trade for the British government, the European Commission and the World Trade Organisation (WTO).

heero_yuy

17-01-2017 14:19

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Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35880973)

Brilliant Mrs May.What's that noise i hear,tiny Tim Farron from the inconsequential libdems crying foul.Lets get on with it.

When I used to be a CB'er we had a term for those who transmitted rubbish but could be ignored and spoken over: "The wally in the back of the box" :D

Chris

17-01-2017 14:23

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Oh, happy day. Brexit really does mean Brexit. Excellent. :tu:

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35880968)

Margaret Thatcher's speech on the single market, 1988

"It's your job, the job of business, to gear yourselves up to take the opportunities which a single market of nearly 320 million people will offer.

Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people.

Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it.

It's not a dream. It's not a vision. It's not some bureaucrat's plan. It's for real."

It hasn't turned out quite like that though, has it. It may be a single market but it is nothing like a free one. It is regulated left right and centre, in a way that favours big business and imposes onerous costs on small ones. And the whole rotten edifice is overseen by the ECJ, which has proved quite ready to define its own remit extremely broadly.

The single market as seen from 2017 is an utterly different beast than was apparent in 1988 and I am very glad that we are not going to try to remain members of it.

1andrew1

17-01-2017 14:23

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35880966)

So far:

There will be a vote on the agreemeent
We will leave single market
A new deal might retain some elements of the single market, maybe including contributions
Leaving Customs Union - kind of. Not clear.
Staying in the common travel area 'a priority'
Government implementing price controls on Freddo bars to keep them at 10p

Good list. I'm pleased that Therese May has finally clarified most of the UK's positions.
It was interesting to see her repeating the threat that Philip Hammond had made to try and turn the UK into a tax haven if the EU's position didn't meet her expectations and this was picked up by the journalist from El Pais who asked her if it was Britain's weapon in negotiations. I'm not sure of the benefit of her mentioning this; is she trying to sound strong?

heero_yuy

17-01-2017 14:26

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35880979)

It's a warning shot across the bows of the EU supertanker. A little bit of gunboat diplomacy.:D

1andrew1

17-01-2017 14:39

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35880981)

It's a warning shot across the bows of the EU supertanker. A little bit of gunboat diplomacy.:D

I kind of thought that she and Philip Hammond were previously playing good cop, bad cop. By having Philip Hammond seen as more pro-EU than Therese May making the threats last week was quite a clever move.
Her repeating them today was less effective. Did she want the press to focus on these threats, ie a dead cat trick? Or was she dazzled by the attention of the Brexit press and decided to play up to them?

Damien

17-01-2017 14:42

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The pound is having a great day. Not sure but this might be the best day since the referendum.

Also it's clear that she hasn't 'given her cards' away. This hasn't damaged anything and given more clarity to the markets. Should have done this sooner and not messed around with childish comparisons to a poker game.

1andrew1

17-01-2017 14:47

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Nicola Sturgeon said back in October there would be another referendum if the UK left the single market.
Will be interesting to see her reaction.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7515551.html

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35880986)

Totally agree and it's what I've wanted to know for months.
Only the naive believed her poker game comparisons, the rest of us realised that she hadn't agreed the Government's position internally hence the delay.

Pierre

17-01-2017 14:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35880964)

Pleased to oblige.

1. "Technically therefore, the quickest we would be able to get a deal is by 2019, but it is very unlikely to be that quick, not least because the deal the UK ends up doing with the EU would have an impact on the deal it gets with the US."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38639638

That's an article by Jonty Bloom, as I understand it he doesn't work any foreign government

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2. With other countries reluctant to get involved in detailed discussions until Britain's future ties with the European Union are clear, and a lack of negotiators in London ready to begin talks, any firm deals could be years away."
"Nobody with any sense from China, the U.S., Brazil or wherever is going to engage with the UK other than a friendly drink in the bar until the UK has a regime with the EU," retired British trade negotiator Roderick Abbott told Reuters.

"That gives them the yardstick against which you negotiate," said Abbott, who during his more than 40-year career worked on trade for the British government, the European Commission and the World Trade Organisation (WTO).
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR

Again no quote from any other government official.

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3. May and her team strike an optimistic tone, highlighting nations which have said they are keen to do deals. But behind the scenes, countries are pragmatic.

A senior diplomat from a developed country with which Britain has suggested negotiating a deal said the EU was a more important partner, so any deal with Britain would depend on how it affected his country's trade with the EU.

"They want to talk to us. We're always happy to talk trade. But frankly there isn't much we can seriously talk about in detail, which is really what trade deals are all about, until we know what their relationship will be with the EU," he said, on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR[COLOR="Silver"]

a no name diplomat from a no name country.

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Citation please.

Certainly.....I said it.

1andrew1

17-01-2017 14:59

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35880966)

So far:
/snip
* Leaving Customs Union - kind of. Not clear.
/snip

Mike Hawes, SMMT chief executive, has understandably picked up on this ambiguity to push his industry's case.
"We need government to deliver a deal which includes participation in the customs union to help safeguard EU trade, trade that is tariff-free and avoids the non-tariff and regulatory barriers that would jeopardise investment, growth and consumer choice.
Achieving this will not be easy and we must, at all costs, avoid a cliff-edge and reversion to WTO tariffs, which would threaten the viability of the industry."

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35880990)

That's an article by Jonty Bloom, as I understand it he doesn't work any foreign government

Again no quote from any other government official.

a no name diplomat from a no name country.

Certainly.....I said it.

Far easier to knock citations than to find counter evidence.

Pierre

17-01-2017 15:08

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35880992)

Far easier to knock citations than to find counter evidence.

There is no counter evidence, for the same reason you can't provide any evidence and that's because no official from any government has said anything.

All there is are opinions from talking heads that won't be involved in any such deals.

So until there are any direct quote from government officials that we want to do deals with, keep the opinions filed under " non-factual"

techguyone

17-01-2017 15:11

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35880987)

Nicola Sturgeon said back in October there would be another referendum if the UK left the single market.
Will be interesting to see her reaction.

She can say whatever she wants, the reality is (and the scots hate me for saying it but...) until she gets permission from the Prime Minister she can squawk and bitch all she want's, it won't mean diddly squat, it's just noises off.

Other EU countries have already made it quite clear that she can't let Scotland just 'take over' where the UK left off and she's have to apply like any new EU member.

So all in all, what she say's is pretty much meaningless and empty.

RizzyKing

17-01-2017 15:58

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Trade deals are already being unofficially talked about now and some will be ready to go the day we are finally out. I said before there was no way for us to remain in the single market as the process for leaving the EU gaurantees your out of it if you leave the EU there was never any chance of us remaining in it. Defy the will of people really how so the majority voted out and out it is must be a new meaning to the phrase where the minority are the will of the people. Our position is a lot clearer today whilst highlighting the main areas we will be negotiating about and the economic response so far has been pretty positive.

figgyburn

17-01-2017 17:33

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35880995)

Do not listen to the poisoned dwarf's gurning.That woman is an embarassment to scotland.The old saying"above her station" has never been more fitting and i'm scottish.She has this grandiose idea that she will be sitting between merkel and hollande at the top table as power brokers and they will be transfixed on her every word.She knows she will not win another referendum in the forseeable future and is just blowing smoke.If she does call one and loses again she is history.

Kursk

17-01-2017 18:09

A Global Britain

The promptly closed "other thread on Brexit" was intended as an outlet for contributors who might want to discuss the positive aspect of developments in an adult fashion.

As it is we're stuck with this thread of constant remoan bleating. And, boy, do they have moaning down to an art form. Either that or they are as thick as two short planks. Or both.

Oh well, fighting fire with fire will be fun :D

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