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TheDaddy 19-03-2021 08:32

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36074781)
Mislead the forum then:shocked:

Resign or be sacked!!!

1andrew1 19-03-2021 10:07

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36074770)
Wow. This is one only. You said it happens all the time that there would no MPs left coz they’d all have to resign. So what you said was wrong and totally inaccurate.

I think the forum would need more cloud storage if he posted an article to every MP misleading Parliament!

Mad Max 22-03-2021 16:39

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Sturgeon did not break the ministerial code.

Hugh 22-03-2021 16:43

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36074997)
Sturgeon did not break the ministerial code.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExGPr87X...pg&name=medium

Chris 22-03-2021 16:44

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
The code requires misleading to have been done knowingly for a breach to have occurred. It seems to me that a great deal of effort has gone in to ensuring she *didn’t* know things, against this very eventuality. It seems pretty clear that her evidence to parliament was very wobbly and misleading but that those around her did just enough to insulate her from what was going on. I believe that’s what the Americans like to call “plausible deniability”.

Interesting that Hamilton has (for now) ducked the issue of whether the code, as written, is even fit for purpose. Sturgeon may not have breached the code as written but it is blindingly obvious that the government she leads was presiding over an absolute circus.

Ah well, on we go to the election. The candidate mailings have started coming through our door this week and we already have our poll cards.

papa smurf 22-03-2021 16:44

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36074997)
Sturgeon did not break the ministerial code.

So you still get what you pay for in Scotland.

Mr K 22-03-2021 17:34

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36074999)
The code requires misleading to have been done knowingly for a breach to have occurred. It seems to me that a great deal of effort has gone in to ensuring she *didn’t* know things, against this very eventuality. It seems pretty clear that her evidence to parliament was very wobbly and misleading but that those around her did just enough to insulate her from what was going on. I believe that’s what the Americans like to call “plausible deniability”.

Interesting that Hamilton has (for now) ducked the issue of whether the code, as written, is even fit for purpose. Sturgeon may not have breached the code as written but it is blindingly obvious that the government she leads was presiding over an absolute circus.

Ah well, on we go to the election. The candidate mailings have started coming through our door this week and we already have our poll cards.

It's good justice has been done though, isn't it? I'm sure you'll agree ;) Previous politically biased votes count for nothing. She's the best 'leader' in this country atm, but that isn't saying much.

However it's a shame another FM 'got away with it'... Hopefully justice will catch up with him at some point.

Mad Max 22-03-2021 17:39

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36075004)
It's good justice has been done though, isn't it? I'm sure you'll agree ;) Previous politically biased votes count for nothing. She's the best 'leader' in this country atm, but that isn't saying much.

However it's a shame another FM 'got away with it'... Hopefully justice will catch up with him at some point.

Based on what exactly?

Mr K 22-03-2021 17:47

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36075006)
Based on what exactly?

Well ask the voters...
https://www.scotsman.com/health/coro...ohnson-3040619

Mick 22-03-2021 18:02

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36075008)

* Scottish voters ONLY and only 1000+ of them polled - nice try at misleading folk as per usual. Of course most of them love her up there, heaven knows why, she tells utter lies, schools and hospitals have been in a right disgusting state under her watch and she also does not know what democracy is, but then again, neither do you. :rolleyes:

jfman 22-03-2021 18:02

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Well we now know why grubby accusations were leaked out, breaching the confidence of witnesses and the code of conduct of members of the committee on a Thursday night. The BBC had the big guns out as Laura K found the time to remove herself from the Westminster bubble (and Boris's rear end), virtually I assume, to comment on Scotland.

And yet, it all amounted to nothing but a smear campaign from the opposition. No allegations of misconduct of any substance.

It'll play well to the ~50% of Scotland with no intention of voting SNP anyway, but it leaves the London parties further detached than ever from the other ~50% of the voters they need to persuade in order to win an election here.

Mad Max 22-03-2021 18:05

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36075008)


I cannot really think of anything that she has done that was so much different from what Boris did, considering the poll was taken in Scotland, it's of no real surprise that the findings favoured Sturgeon rather than Boris.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36075011)
Well we now know why grubby accusations were leaked out, breaching the confidence of witnesses and the code of conduct of members of the committee on a Thursday night. The BBC had the big guns out as Laura K found the time to remove herself from the Westminster bubble (and Boris's rear end), virtually I assume, to comment on Scotland.

And yet, it all amounted to nothing but a smear campaign from the opposition. No allegations of misconduct of any substance.

It'll play well to the ~50% of Scotland with no intention of voting SNP anyway, but it leaves the London parties further detached than ever from the other ~50% of the voters they need to persuade in order to win an election here.

Bollox, funny how Mr Hamilton was an SNP member.

jfman 22-03-2021 18:07

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You may well disagree Max, but then again you always would for anything that did anything other than condemn Sturgeon regardless of evidence.

Such is how polarised Scottish politics is, it's like living in two different realities.

Mick 22-03-2021 18:07

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36075011)
Well we now know why grubby accusations were leaked out, breaching the confidence of witnesses and the code of conduct of members of the committee on a Thursday night. The BBC had the big guns out as Laura K found the time to remove herself from the Westminster bubble (and Boris's rear end), virtually I assume, to comment on Scotland.

And yet, it all amounted to nothing but a smear campaign from the opposition. No allegations of misconduct of any substance.

It'll play well to the ~50% of Scotland with no intention of voting SNP anyway, but it leaves the London parties further detached than ever from the other ~50% of the voters they need to persuade in order to win an election here.

WTAF is this rubbish?

Laura K for the BBC has never been up Johnsons Arse. :dozey:

jfman 22-03-2021 18:10

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36075015)
WTAF is this rubbish?

Laura K for the BBC has never been up Johnsons Arse. :dozey:

In your opinion, Mick. She's like a schoolgirl cheerleader to other observers. Peston slightly better but not by much.

Happy to trot out the latest lines from CCHQ but little credible journalism.


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