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Au contraire - 2 years is a wholly inadequate data set in order to prove your assertion. It ‘fails’ the test only in the mind of keen remainers who are still so triggered by Brexit they have a near pathological need to keep trawling the internet looking for proof they were right.

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In 2010, they were firmly under the influence of EU tariffs which were largely responsible for beet producers’ ability to undercut them. Cane and beet refining processes aren’t identical and you can’t simply feed different raw materials into the same factory set up. The raw commodity prices were effectively handing a built-in competitive advantage to manufacturers set up to use beet.

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I'm not sure it's Remainers who are getting triggered into defending this sticky situation. ;)

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I think you don’t understand what ‘triggered’ means.

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Tate & Lyle is now part of US-based sugar company ASR but still has a large refinery in London.

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Meanwhile back in the real world ..

The Con

PM pledges to defend UK farming standards in trade talks

Reality:

RSPCA raises serious concerns over animal welfare and climate change as full Australia trade deal is signed

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/01/5.jpg

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Heard Johnson today claim that vaccines were approved quicker due to Brexit. I can understand why he is seeking some tangible benefits of Brexit. A remind that the facts don't back him up, courtesy of the fact-checkers at Full Fact.
Vaccine approval isn’t quicker because of Brexit

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And a reminder that there is more to the EU than its regulations. A number of EU countries were pursuing independent vaccine procurement before the EU scheme got up and running. All of them agreed to halt their independent efforts in order to join the EU scheme. None of them had to, but at the level of the Council of Ministers, much is achieved by consensus and there is always a very high degree of political pressure used in pursuit of it.

It is highly unlikely that the UK would have been politically able to pursue an independent vaccine procurement policy had we still been in the EU at that time, regardless of the letter of the law.

That said, none of this is surprising to me. The political reach of the EU is one of the things us real long-term Eurosceptics warned about for decades, while even now it’s something many hardline remainers simply can’t, or won’t, see.

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We're out of the EU. There is no such thing as 'remainer'.

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Pretty sure you know exactly what I mean. ;)

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He does. But I refer to those still grasping at any slight opportunity to get back in to the corrupted EU, the Alastair Campbell’s, Lord Adonis, Michael Heseltine… as Remainiacs.

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I think that type of terminology is less of a helpful naming convention and more of a phrase that smacks of belittlement. There were plenty of similar phrases from both sides thrown about in 2016; it's time to move on.

I would suggest the term rejoiners is more appropriate and constructive.

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Hardly.

There are plenty of remainers (i.e. people who voted remain and still wish we had remained) who nevertheless do not think we should now rejoin. I’m not going to start calling everyone who voted remain in 2016 a rejoiner because they are by no means the same set of people, though doubtless some of them are.

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I'm suggesting that instead of labelling someone who wants to join a remainiac, they are called a rejoiner. I'm not suggesting everyone who voted remain is called a rejoiner as many or even most are not.

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So 'people' then?

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A lot of Remainers would still vote to Remain if given the chance but also don't think it's worth the effort nor the toxicity it would inject back into British politics. It's actually pretty healthy that the Brexit divide has become less important as time has gone on, there was a fear British politics would split along those lines.

The actual number of people who think it is worth the effort and want to pursue is a small minority of hardcore activists who are doing it - in part - because they've carved out a niche for themselves around that identity. They're a bit weird and come out with essentially fan fiction on how it'll happen when writing on Twitter.