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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36071638)

Well, I got my jab at 4.24pm today. :)

:clap:

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36071638)

Well, I got my jab at 4.24pm today. :)

Excellent stuff.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36071633)

Government roadmap out of lockdown.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...pring_2021.pdf

I haven’t read the link, but I have watched the news conference and read other information and I think it’s a sensible solid roadmap.

People will say that this is what we should have done in Autumn last year, but we didn’t have the vaccine then. This is good and clear direction from HMG.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36071667)

I agree but it appears SAGE don't like it.

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Modelling indicates that relaxation of measures over six or nine months results in much smaller subsequent epidemic waves than relaxing measures over three months. Relaxation of a significant number of restrictions over three months starting from the beginning of April couldlead to hospital occupancy higher than the January peakwhereas relaxation over nine months would result in a much smaller peak(medium confidence, the modelling has some uncertainties and does not include seasonal changes).Retaininga baseline set of measures to reduce transmission even after otherrestrictions have been lifted would also reduce the scaleof a resurgence (high confidence).These and potentially additional measures may be needed throughout Winter 2021/22

https://assets.publishing.service.go...79_Minutes.pdf

The BBC report at 10pm did say that ongoing low-level, especially seasonal, measures may continue to be needed. And BoJo said there was no roadmap to a COVID free future.

There will never be a covid free situation, it will simply be contained, like the flu.

That kills thousands every year, with vaccinations - covid may end up being less of a killer than flu, as the vaccinations appear to work better.

The French and German populations' contrived aversion from the AZ vaccine is likely to seriously bite them in the throat. Their governments urgently need to row back on their silly assertions regarding the over-65s, which I am sure are politically contrived.

Here is the link to a paywalled article, followed by a quote.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...n-war-vaccine/

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Europe has succumbed to the nocebo effect. If people are primed to believe that something makes them ill, they discover illness. It is the reverse placebo.

Tens of millions have received the AstraZeneca jab in the UK and India without meaningful side-effects beyond minor - and desirable - signs of an immune reaction. Yet frontline health workers in Germany, Austria, France, and Spain have convinced themselves that it is doing them real harm, and that it is also ineffective.

The nocebo effect is a known pathology in medical science. It has been well-documented following false reporting on statins. One clinical trial studying headaches from electric currents found that two-thirds of the volunteers in the harmless control group also had headaches. Nocebo responses can be powerful and physiological. The symptoms are real.

That is probably what has been happening with AstraZeneca in Germany where fake news has run rampant, to the point of mass hysteria. Braunschweig’s Herzogin-Elisabeth hospital reported that 37 out of 88 staff reported sick the day after receiving the jab. The same happened to a quarter of 300 ambulance workers in Dortmund.

There can be isolated bad batches with any vaccine but this has spread into a broader "me too" epidemic. Clinics in Lower Saxony have suspended use of the jab altogether. Germany faces a systematic rejection of the vaccine, yet it lacks alternatives to plug the gap. Germany's Central Institute for Health Insurance (ZI) says the bogus AstraZeneca scare could delay the entire vaccine rollout by two months.

There could also be a false correlation rather than nocebo. If those 37 who go sick all had "the fish" in the canteen...

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36071697)

The French and German governments have a lot to answer for here. Their political game-playing over vaccine efficacy, in the full knowledge that they have serious problems with anti-vaxxers in their domestic populations (Germany in particular) has been reckless in the extreme. I have heard (anecdotally, from a friend with connections in Germany) of people turning up at vaccine centres and then refusing to be vaccinated when the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is produced.

I wonder what colour the vaccination passports will be?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071721)

I wonder what colour the vaccination passports will be?

Don't you mean a Covid vaccine and testing certificate. ;)

With so many variants and variable vaccination programmes I'm more intrigued as to where it would let you go. I hear Haifa is lovely.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071721)

I wonder what colour the vaccination passports will be?

Why?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071721)

I wonder what colour the vaccination passports will be?

Transparent.

On the 'COVID Passport' thing, it looks like the IATA is working on something for travelling - https://www.iata.org/en/youandiata/t...for-travelers/

Makes sense to have something global and consistent and hopefully replaces the old Yellow Card documents.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36071730)

Why?

I have a natural curiousity, and like to find answers - "some men see things as they are, and say why. I dream of things that never were, and say why not...",

I'm not a doughnut, though... :D