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A range of deals was on on offer from 2016 as per my link.

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It's not really me who you should be worried about.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ical-8b6dqrzcm

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No there wasn't. Where were the specific proposals to the UK in 2016? Did it include fishing rights? We didn't trigger Article 50 until 2017.

As I pointed out, the EU wasn't allowed to negotiate anything until the Transition phase started.

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Any specific offers would be whinged about and irrelevant as it's up to the UK to decide how much engagement with the EU it wants, knowing the implications of doing so. The general deals on offer were available for all to see, in that chart.

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Robert Peston reports that that John Major and Tony Blair have found Boris Johnson's claim to be honouring the Good Friday Agreement is the opposite of what he is actually doing.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/13...219394/photo/1

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They've found nothing, they just disagree.

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They know more about the Good Friday Agreement than most people in the World let alone this forum.

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1) Those 2 complaining is yet more evidence that Boris is doing the right thing.
2) Then the EU better come up with a sensible deal. We can't be expected to keep giving in to the EU and the IRA(who are STILL armed, active, and threatening violence if they don't get their own way).

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So there were NO offers, YES or NO? NONE OF THOSE DEALS ARE OR EVER WERE ON OFFER TO THE UK. Eg which of those countries is being asked to give up their fishing waters?
If you actually look at "Picture A" in your link, you will see that there is NO red line in common with each of them. Therefore EACH of them doesn't have something or other that the EU is insisting we have ALL of. Eg Country A may have conditions X&Y, country B conditions Y&Z, country C conditions X&Z, but the EU is insisting on X&Y&Z and the rest of the alphabet for the UK.

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Nice loaded question (as in "have you stopped beating your wife?" Only "yes/no" answers allowed)...

Since I never believed we were "under the EU cosh", but were part of a economic grouping, I had no issues being part of it - but as we have now left, we need to agree a deal, and reneging on an agreement that was sold to us as "oven ready" and "best deal ever" is showing this government can’t be trusted to keep it’s word.

Or to complete my previous post -

"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”

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I'm genuinely saddened to see some of the headlines today* and the way that Great is being torn out of Great Britain. Not since the three-day week has the country's global reputation sunk so low.

As a Remainer who accepted the vote from day one, it is now more apparent than ever that BoJo is incapable of negotiating getting his ball back from the neighbours, let alone international treaties.

Even before the advent of Coronavirus, BoJo was showing the white flag to the EU on the Withdrawal Agreement but proclaiming success. Trying to alter it behind the EU's back is not the way things should be done if the country is to be taken seriously. Concentrating on Coronavirus has clearly seen the Government start to take apparent short cuts which are blowing up in its face. Witness the Conservative MPs' WhatsApp group called "What the F**** is going on?" reported by The Times yesterday.

We need goodwill and an extension so that we can get a good deal. The scales were already against us and they've sunk even lower through ineptitude.

* Some of the headlines include:

1. Brexit: Controversial bill has 'damaged trust', Irish minister tells Sky News
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-co...-news-12070693

2. Top lawyers slam Suella Braverman for wrecking UK’s reputation
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...uks-reputation

3. UK's former US ambassador [Kim Darroch] astonished at govt's 'extraordinary' plans to break international law

https://news.sky.com/story/former-pm...inues-12070632

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I'd say Boris is being both perfidious and hedgemonic, and we don't like that sort of thing ;)

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It’s only a problem if the EU/ UK don’t agree to a trade deal Isn’t it?

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It (Brexit) will always be a problem to some, and any infraction, however slight, will be met with loud cries of anger and legal challenges from the usual ex ministers, europhile lawyers, and the media that love a good headline.

I'm surprised we haven't beem kicked out of the world cup yet :rolleyes:

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Not sure what all the fuss is about, seeing as even sticking to the Protocol, it can legally ended in 4 years time. What is the real difference? Unless the expectation has always been that Ireland will continue to bully GB and NI over it, and keep it in place. That is why it's there in the first place.

Why is it the UK's responsibility to "maintain the EU single market", to the detriment of the UK single market? Yet again, no other country(eg US) would accept that.

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The UK shares a no-fence border with the EU of a few hundred miles. It is committed to keeping the Irish border this way.
Obviously, the US and other countries do not share such borders with the EU. The UK and Republic of Ireland joined the EU at the same time so it worked ok then.