Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

More evidence that BoJo is using the state aid provisions to prevent the EU signing a free trade deal with the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-th...talks-12069035

Evidence? Of what exactly? As far as state aid is concerned, it's a matter of who decides. "Level playing field" is a lot more than about state aid.

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If it became law it would give UK ministers powers to modify or "disapply" rules relating to the movement of goods between Britain and Northern Ireland that will come into force from 1 January, if the UK and EU are unable to strike a trade deal.

Why on earth should the EU control that?

1andrew1

12-09-2020 19:38

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049757)

Evidence? Of what exactly? As far as state aid is concerned, it's a matter of who decides. "Level playing field" is a lot more than about state aid.

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Why on earth should the EU control that?

Show me another solution to the Good Friday Agreement that keeps the Single Market intact?

nomadking

12-09-2020 19:43

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049756)

That's another curveball! Did you not mean Boris's sticky fingers? Tony Blair's not been in power for nearly 20 years!

And people were talking about the UK breaking up long before Boris, before any referendum, and before 2010.

Mad Max

12-09-2020 19:44

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049756)

That's another curveball! Did you not mean Boris's sticky fingers? Tony Blair's not been in power for nearly 20 years!

Ah, the WMD guy......:rolleyes:

nomadking

12-09-2020 19:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049758)

Show me another solution to the Good Friday Agreement that keeps the Single Market intact?

The EU agreeing to a sensible trade deal. What is so complicated about that?
NI Protocol.

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RECALLING that Northern Ireland is part of the customs territory of the United Kingdom and will benefit from participation in the United Kingdom's independent trade policy,
HAVING REGARD to the importance of maintaining the integral place of Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom’s internal market,

1andrew1

12-09-2020 20:23

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049763)

The EU agreeing to a sensible trade deal. What is so complicated about that?
NI Protocol.

It's been on offer from the EU since 2016.

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36049761)

Ah, the WMD guy......:rolleyes:

I was hoping we could forget him!

nomadking

12-09-2020 20:36

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049776)

It's been on offer from the EU since 2016.

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I was hoping we could forget him!

:confused:How? No possible deal could be discussed or presented by anybody before the UK officially left the EU and the Transitional Agreement started. That is in the EU Treaty.

Even now there isn't a deal presented by the EU.:rolleyes: All there they've said, is that they're looking for an agreement on fishing BEFORE anything else can be discussed. They're saying they're going to steal our fish anyway, and sell them in EU without any tariffs, whereas any UK caught fish would have a tariff applied to sell in the EU. How is that a "level playing field". It is also why a Trade Deal MUST be in place BEFORE any discussions on fishing.

1andrew1

12-09-2020 21:03

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049779)

:confused:How? No possible deal could be discussed or presented by anybody before the UK officially left the EU and the Transitional Agreement started. That is in the EU Treaty. This is basic knowledge needed for any discussion on the matter.

Even now there isn't a deal presented by the EU.:rolleyes: All there they've said, is that they're looking for an agreement on fishing BEFORE anything else can be discussed. They're saying they're going to steal our fish anyway, and sell them in EU without any tariffs, whereas any UK caught fish would have a tariff applied to sell in the EU. How is that a "level playing field". It is also why a Trade Deal MUST be in place BEFORE any discussions on fishing.

The shape of deals can be seen here.
https://www.bdo.ie/en-gb/blogs/bdo-c...he-ukraine-fta

nomadking

12-09-2020 21:11

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049783)

The shape of deals can be seen here.
https://www.bdo.ie/en-gb/blogs/bdo-c...he-ukraine-fta

So STILL no evidence of any deal presented to the UK, and certainly not one from 2016. The article is from 2 years ago.
The UK is the ONLY side to present even a draft example agreement.

1andrew1

12-09-2020 21:23

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049784)

So STILL no evidence of any deal presented to the UK, and certainly not one from 2016. The article is from 2 years ago.
The UK is the ONLY side to present even a draft example agreement.

It's always been up to the UK to select from that smörgåsbord of options to use as the starting point for a deal.

nomadking

12-09-2020 21:40

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049786)

It's always been up to the UK to select from that smörgåsbord of options to use as the starting point for a deal.

You stated...

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049776)

It's been on offer from the EU since 2016.

So are you finally admitting that NOTHING is on offer from the EU and NOT from 2016?

From your 2 year old link.

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Despite all these tariff benefits however, the most significant benefit for seamless movement of goods appears to be missing. There is still a hard border between the EU and Ukraine and all the border crossing formalities continue to have to be fulfilled (such as – import and export documentation, permits and border physical checks).

1andrew1

12-09-2020 21:57

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049789)

You stated...
So are you finally admitting that NOTHING is on offer from the EU and NOT from 2016?

From your 2 year old link.

Imagine all the whinging that would happen if the EU came up with a precise deal! "Still telling us what to do even when we've left the EU!" etc. So the options were indicated in that graphic I linked to.

Sephiroth

12-09-2020 22:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049758)

Show me another solution to the Good Friday Agreement that keeps the Single Market intact?

You're doing it again. Seeing things from the EU's point of view. How about getting behind the UK government so that we don't stay under the EU cosh?

Never mind that the WA was signed as is. That was then, now is now with no deal looming.

nomadking

12-09-2020 22:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049790)

So a hard border with waits of up to 9 hours at the border?
Your claim that the EU presented a deal in 2016, is a complete and utter lie.

Hugh	12-09-2020 22:18

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36049791)

You're doing it again. Seeing things from the EU's point of view. How about getting behind the UK government so that we don't stay under the EU cosh?

Never mind that the WA was signed as is. That was then, now is now with no deal looming.

My Country, right or wrong - is that it?

Nice of you to tell us to forget the entire basis of BJ’s Election campaign...

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