Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Complete garbage. All lives matter.

Re: Coronavirus
 

He reckons he stayed within the rules. He should know if he wrote them.

All these silly statements being made by some about Cummings, and then using them to justify their own non-compliance is ridiculous. Either people want to stop this virus or they don't, for self preservation if nothing else.

I do not agree with the lockdown at all, but social distancing has merit (although the WHO recommends 1 metre, not 2, which would certainly help businesses to get up and running again).

And if social distancing is to be a legal requirement, it needs to be enforced. Good luck with regard to people protesting!

In the end, I think all of these lockdown measures will unravel and the virus will travel freely through the population. As long as the vulnerable and 'at risk' people are locked away, that's all we need to worry about. Then, when it's travelled through, herd immunity will have been achieved with much less fuss and we can release the vulnerable groups.

There will be no effective vaccine available for mass immunisation of the population for some considerable time.

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It's not really, Paul. In the US, only white lives seem to matter. The racial discrimination that still goes on there is shameful.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

l agree with you there.

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Pretty depressing really as whatever progress America did make its gone backwards massively sadly.

Re: Coronavirus
 

That would be the same US that elected a black president ?

Racial discrimination is bad, absolutely, but by going around saying "black lives matter" you are committing that very act, you are implying other lives do not.

As someone mentioned earlier, its not really a subject for this thread, however, the idiots in those protests are. They have put themselves at risk, those around them at risk, and all their families at risk - and for what ? Nothing, some pointless protest in the UK will make zero difference.

Let's just hope none of them had the virus, or passed it on.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Have to disagree - if there was a modifier "black lives matter more" or "only black lives matter", you would have a point - but there isn’t.

Saying "All Lives Matter" redirects the attention from black lives, who are the ones in peril - in the USA, black people are twice as likely to be killed by a police officer while unarmed, compared to a white individual - according to a 2015 study, African Americans died at the hands of police at a rate of 7.2 per million, while whites were killed at a rate of 2.9 per million. Saying "Black Lives Matter" isn't equivalent to saying other lives don't, but rather that Black lives should matter as much as others.

A friend of mine sent me this

Re: Coronavirus
 

Summed up very eloquently :tu:

Re: Coronavirus
 

I thought we weren't allowed to call people 'black' anymore?

Re: Coronavirus
 

If a person is black, you can refer to them as black. There is nothing to be ashamed of because a person is black.

It's the use of the term 'coloured' that is frowned upon because this term was applied during the apartheid days in South Africa.

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You are confusing the population with the government. It is the government who allow the police to ride roughshod over the lives of black people and discriminate against them in so many ways, including on pay.

I do not accept your view that the slogan implies that other lives do not matter. That's your interpretation, but not what was meant, as I am sure you know, really.

It seems a cruel blow that even the coronavirus seems to discriminate against black people. Unfortunately, there's not a lot we can do about that other than improve their living conditions immediately, and there's fat chance of that.

Re: Coronavirus
 

+1

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

We just refer to them as the alphabet people in my house.
seems to cover most groups.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Exactly, and there is another possible modifier that is more true to the intention of the statement: "Black Lives Matter too"

Re: Coronavirus
 

You can disagree all you want, since I also disagree with you.
All lives matter, simple as that, saying only one subset matter is incorrect.

Of course its my interpretation, who elses would it be ?
Just like everyone has their own views, and again, I disagree with you.

We could go around in circles with this all day, and since its not the subject of this topic, I suggest we agree to disagree, and move on.


In fact, its probably time for this whole thread to move back on topic .. please.

Re: Coronavirus
 

So we've now sadly hit 40,000 deaths (the second only country to reach this figure) and Bozo declares himself 'very proud' of coronavirus response. He's starting to sound more like Trump.

The R number has reached 1 in the North-west and South West, so will there be another (regional) lock down?

Re: Coronavirus
 

The uncertainty on these results are so high they could all be above 1 or below 1.