Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

I think that's it, but he would also have been mindful of the political declaration that both sides wanted a no tariff trade deal. If the EU does not renege on that, we won't have a problem. Boris is acting now because the EU is threatening a no deal. Clearly, he thinks that by threatening this, the EU will have less of a lever.

It's just politics, no need to blow this out of all proportion, although we all know that some remainers do like to have their fun!

"War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

TheDaddy

12-09-2020 16:44

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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 36049384)

Oh oh oh, I get to bring up this now!

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/9920

That big US trade agreement we all pinned our hopes on goes out the window if we break the treaty. So no EU trade agreement, no US trade agreement.

What was this about "it's okay to break the law if it means a better deal" or whatever?

It's okay, we've got the Japanese one to make up for it, we can sell as much cheese to a nation where 80% of the population are lactose intolerant as we like

Carth

12-09-2020 16:58

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36049711)

It's okay, we've got the Japanese one to make up for it, we can sell as much cheese to a nation where 80% of the population are lactose intolerant as we like

They do like a nice bit of fish though ;) :D

pip08456

12-09-2020 17:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36049711)

It's okay, we've got the Japanese one to make up for it, we can sell as much cheese to a nation where 80% of the population are lactose intolerant as we like

Really? How do you explain Japan being the third largest importer of Dairy poroducts in the world (11.3Billion of EU dairy exports)?

nomadking

12-09-2020 17:56

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049707)

The solution seems to be that the Republic and NI are both in the Single Market (or very close to it) or both out of it and the Republic won't leave the EU.
This article sums up the issue: https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...johnsons-suez/

And that would restrict trading between GB and NI and would even involve tariffs set by the EU. NI being outside of the UK customs territory would be against the NI protocol. Still no evidence provided of your claims.
The solution is for the EU to stop blocking a trade deal.

Pierre

12-09-2020 18:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049671)

I'll take a cue from you in my response.
Since when has it been it acceptable for a third country to dump subsidised goods into the EU Single Market? :rolleyes:

Chinese steel, not just the EU Single market but the global Market.

Hugh	12-09-2020 18:27

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36049724)

Chinese steel, not just the EU Single market but the global Market.

If only the EU had imposed tougher tariffs on the Chinese...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6962446.html

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British steel: UK Government blocked EU plans to allow tougher tariffs on 'aggressive' Chinese imports

The UK is one of 14 countries that, as early as 2014, were seeking to block the EU from axing the so-called “lesser duty” rule

The Government has been accused of “failing to protect” British steel by blocking EU plans to impose tougher sanctions on “aggressive” Chinese steel dumping while the industry stands on the brink of collapse.

EU Council working party papers seen show the UK is one of 14 countries that, as early as 2014, were seeking to block the EU from axing the so-called “lesser duty” rule, which could allow increased tariffs to be placed on cheap imports...

... Annual Chinese steel exports to EU countries including the UK have increased from 1.3m tonnes in 2009 to 7.7m tonnes in 2015. The Fitch rating agency said this month that removing the “lesser duty” rule could “materially reduce” EU steel imports.

Dominic King, head of policy at UK Steel, said: “It is galling that the UK Government has not taken action itself and has continued to block these changes in the EU – leaving the steel industry on its knees. Government must support the lifting of the lesser duty rule, otherwise steel manufacturing will be lost in the UK and Europe.”

nomadking

12-09-2020 18:30

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36049724)

Chinese steel, not just the EU Single market but the global Market.

Of course the biggest and longest running offenders are the EU with the Common Agricultural Policy.
Link

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By encouraging overproduction, the CAP forced the EU to buy up surplus produce, which it then sold on cheaply in the developing world - undercutting local producers and damaging local economies. 'Dumping' of this sort, combined with high external tariffs for food imports, led to considerable international criticism of the CAP, notably at the Doha World Trade Organisation talks in 2003.

From 2015

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The EU has finally agreed to eliminate export subsidies…three cheers!
...
A breakthrough of sorts came at the Hong Kong WTO Ministerial Council meeting in December 2005 when the EU eventually conceded that export subsidies (where it was the biggest user) might be eliminated provided equivalent disciplines were introduced on export credits and food aid (widely used by the US) and state monopoly marketing boards (used by Canada and Australia).

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36049725)

If only the EU had imposed tougher tariffs on the Chinese...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6962446.html

One of 14 countries, so not exactly a minority EU view.

Mr K	12-09-2020 19:08

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Don't know if I mentioned it ( ;) ) , but I really don't think Brexit was a good idea.

Everything so far has confirmed that. Irreparable long term damage to the country which could well break the UK up. It's brought the worst, most untalented politicians to the fore, who only have self interest.

Many belatedly now realise it, but won't swallow humble pie...

OLD BOY

12-09-2020 20:10

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36049734)

Sorry, Mr K, but you have no proof of this yet. When (if) you ever do, we can discuss it.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36049708)

"War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

Very helpful.. :erm:

1andrew1

12-09-2020 20:19

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More evidence that BoJo is using the state aid provisions to prevent the EU signing a free trade deal with the UK.

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Indeed, all too often, state aid rules provided a useful excuse when businesses came begging for bailouts: "Oh, we'd love to help you but unfortunately those annoying Brussels bureaucrats won't let us."
That's the first ironic thing about the current situation, where Number 10 is holding up the state aid regime as the main reason it is considering leaving the EU without a deal. How can we create national champions, they ask, if we are constrained by these rules?
The second ironic thing is that it's not altogether clear the rules do prevent you from creating national champions.
After all, even within the EU, Britain spent far more on state aid - providing grants and supports for its companies - than most of its European neighbours. There is nothing in the treaties or case law to prevent it, say, supporting a car battery manufacturer in the future. We know as much because France and Germany already do precisely that.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-th...talks-12069035

nomadking

12-09-2020 20:20

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36049734)

Anything related to a potential break-up has Blair's sticky fingers all over it.

1andrew1

12-09-2020 20:25

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36049743)

Sorry, Mr K, but you have no proof of this yet. When (if) you ever do, we can discuss it.

It's a bit late discussing it years afterwards with Mr K as evidence by its very nature is always after something has happened.

You would be better discussing the current Government's own impact analysis, the many other pieces of analysis out there and looking at how the £ has performed since the referendum.

Mad Max

12-09-2020 20:29

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049749)

Yes the so-called remoaner experts on here know better of course...:rolleyes:

1andrew1

12-09-2020 20:34

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049747)

Anything related to a potential break-up has Blair's sticky fingers all over it.