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tweetiepooh 16-02-2021 10:37

Re: Coronavirus
 
R becomes less relevant IF people don't get really sick from the virus.

OLD BOY 16-02-2021 11:53

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36070672)
It’s up there with

Quote:
‘We will not avoid deaths by the measures being taken. We can only delay them’

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2145

That was also true at the time. Now we have vaccines (and it was far from sure that we would actually see these delivered), the position has changed.

With vaccines being rolled out, delaying the spread of the virus is a viable solution. But without it, delaying was prolonging and risking more mutations along the way.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36070711)
I hate (really hate) lockdowns, as well as the hype & paranoia around the virus.

However, anyone can see that Easter is never going to be an option to lift all restrictions.
Its only 7 weeks away - I would expect some restrictions to be gone by then, but ALL of them ? Not happening.

You are living in fantasy land if you think that.

I don’t see it happening either, but it should. Given that the vaccination rollout will have got to the stage it will have by Easter, hospitals will no longer be in danger of being overwhelmed, which was the justification for both lockdowns.

More people will still be advised to get vaccinated, sure, but these are the people who have a far lower risk of hospitalisation. You only have to look at the figures to see that.

1andrew1 16-02-2021 12:12

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070891)
But without it, delaying was prolonging and risking more mutations along the way.

I don't think that's correct, Old Boy.

Everytime a virus reproduces, there's another chance for it to mutate. Locking down, social distancing etc all reduce the number of times the Coronavirus reproduces and therefore diminishes the number of mutations.

Chris 16-02-2021 12:32

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36070897)
I don't think that's correct, Old Boy.

It categorically isn't correct.

Quote:

Everytime a virus reproduces, there's another chance for it to mutate. Locking down, social distancing etc all reduce the number of times the Coronavirus reproduces and therefore diminishes the number of mutations.
This is, however, correct.

The clue is in the R number. R for Reproduction Rate. Lockdown reduces the R number. The fewer reproduction cycles the virus has, the few opportunities it has to mutate.

OLD BOY 16-02-2021 12:41

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36070897)
I don't think that's correct, Old Boy.

Everytime a virus reproduces, there's another chance for it to mutate. Locking down, social distancing etc all reduce the number of times the Coronavirus reproduces and therefore diminishes the number of mutations.

I understand your point. But time is also a factor. The longer we delay transmissions, the more chance of a highly dangerous mutation materialising.

Anyway, that debate has lost its urgency now that we have a vaccine. The annual boosters can sort out the mutations until it dies off of its own accord, which hopefully, it will.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36070899)
It categorically isn't correct.



This is, however, correct.

The clue is in the R number. R for Reproduction Rate. Lockdown reduces the R number. The fewer reproduction cycles the virus has, the few opportunities it has to mutate.

My point has always been that at the end of every lockdown, there will be another surge, so the number of times it transmits will ultimately be the same without a vaccine. The fact that this takes place over a longer period is my concern.

nomadking 16-02-2021 12:54

Re: Coronavirus
 
Time by itself is not a factor in new variants. It's a matter of chance. Eg The more times you throw a set of dice(ie new infection), the more likely it is to come up all sixes(ie new variant). If instead, you don't throw the dice at all(ie not allow it to infect and reproduce), you can't get a new variant.

spiderplant 16-02-2021 13:32

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070903)
But time is also a factor

No it isn't. If that were true, viruses that have been around a long time would be mutating at an amazing rate.

TheDaddy 16-02-2021 17:00

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36070910)
No it isn't. If that were true, viruses that have been around a long time would be mutating at an amazing rate.

I think what he's saying with regard to time is getting as many people vaccinated as possible before it mutates into something the vaccine is less effective against, the obvious aim being to stop that new strain getting a foothold amid an already virus riddled population and if that isn't what he meant, it probably should have been!

OLD BOY 16-02-2021 17:21

Re: Coronavirus
 
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SnoopZ 16-02-2021 17:29

Re: Coronavirus
 
Got my jab next week, surprised it's so quick considering I'm healthy and not too old at 52.

daveeb 16-02-2021 19:40

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36070934)
Got my jab next week, surprised it's so quick considering I'm healthy and not too old at 52.

Good on you, but I'm amazed you're getting done so quickly being presumably in group 9 of first phase.

RichardCoulter 16-02-2021 21:48

Re: Coronavirus
 
More people to be advised to shield:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56086965

1andrew1 16-02-2021 21:49

Re: Coronavirus
 
Every UK adult could receive both jabs by August, says head of UK's vaccine taskforce
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...force-12220149

RichardCoulter 17-02-2021 01:05

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36070967)
More people to be advised to shield:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56086965

Correction: As per BBC 10pm news "Told to shield".

pip08456 17-02-2021 01:23

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36070967)
More people to be advised to shield:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56086965

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Medical records have been searched to identify high-risk patients, based on their combined risk factors.

They are now being sent letters by the NHS informing of them of their new status, which means they are entitled to statutory sick pay, prioritisation for online shopping slots and help collecting medicines.
Why don't they send vaccine appointment as well?


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