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Hugh 22-02-2021 13:41
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36071604)
Artistic licence:)
Definitely... :D

OLD BOY 22-02-2021 14:41
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071603)
Made stuff up that wasn’t said - OK, then...
Extrapolation means ‘estimating or concluding something that existing trends will continue or a current method will remain applicable’ by the definition I see in front of me right now.

Extrapolation is not a lie. It is a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.

You, however, may choose to use alternative evidence to extrapolate from.

1andrew1 22-02-2021 14:57
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071609)
Extrapolation means ‘estimating or concluding something that existing trends will continue or a current method will remain applicable’ by the definition I see in front of me right now.

Extrapolation is not a lie. It is a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.

You, however, may choose to use alternative evidence to extrapolate from.
Whilst a more accurate term would be "assumption", I'm heading off topic so I will keep my contribution short and sweet. ;)

jfman 22-02-2021 15:30
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071609)
Extrapolation means ‘estimating or concluding something that existing trends will continue or a current method will remain applicable’ by the definition I see in front of me right now.

Extrapolation is not a lie. It is a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.

You, however, may choose to use alternative evidence to extrapolate from.
Debatable use of "reasonable".

Hugh 22-02-2021 15:46
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071609)
Extrapolation means ‘estimating or concluding something that existing trends will continue or a current method will remain applicable’ by the definition I see in front of me right now.

Extrapolation is not a lie. It is a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.

You, however, may choose to use alternative evidence to extrapolate from.
Extrapolation may not be a lie, but saying
Quote:
Reasons given included ... ...an unwillingness to buy EU goods given the attitude of the EU to trade with us in recent months.
when that reason wasn't given, or even mentioned, isn't extrapolation...

Or are you saying that would have been the answer to a question the survey didn't ask, but if they did, it would have been that?

Hom3r 28-02-2021 11:15
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
The way things are going with AS investigation NS might be lucky if she isn't forced to quit :D

1andrew1 02-03-2021 18:55
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36072328)
The way things are going with AS investigation NS might be lucky if she isn't forced to quit :D
Indeed - Conservatives will be tabling a no-confidence motion.
Quote:
Nicola Sturgeon is facing calls to resign after new documents raised further questions about her involvement in the Alex Salmond saga.

The government has published emails showing it continued a legal fight with Mr Salmond despite its lawyers advising it was likely to lose.

Further evidence from two other witnesses has also called into question Ms Sturgeon's version of events.

Ms Sturgeon is to face a Holyrood inquiry into the affair on Wednesday.

The Scottish Conservatives said there was "no longer any doubt that Nicola Sturgeon lied to the Scottish Parliament and broke the ministerial code on numerous counts."

The party said they would be submitting a motion of no confidence in the first minister.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-56259056

Hugh 02-03-2021 20:28
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072698)
Indeed - Conservatives will be tabling a no-confidence motion.
Quote:
Nicola Sturgeon is facing calls to resign after new documents raised further questions about her involvement in the Alex Salmond saga.

The government has published emails showing it continued a legal fight with Mr Salmond despite its lawyers advising it was likely to lose.

Further evidence from two other witnesses has also called into question Ms Sturgeon's version of events.

Ms Sturgeon is to face a Holyrood inquiry into the affair on Wednesday.

The Scottish Conservatives said there was "no longer any doubt that Nicola Sturgeon lied to the Scottish Parliament and broke the ministerial code on numerous counts."

The party said they would be submitting a motion of no confidence in the first minister.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-56259056
Pritti amazing the Tories want a politician to resign over breaking the Ministerial Code... ;)

Mad Max 02-03-2021 20:29
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072732)
Pritti amazing the Tories want a politician to resign over breaking the Ministerial Code... ;)

I see what you did there...;)

1andrew1 02-03-2021 22:47
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072732)
Pritti amazing the Tories want a politician to resign over breaking the Ministerial Code... ;)
:D

Sephiroth 02-03-2021 23:34
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Asking around my acquaintances, I've detected a change of heart since a year ago.

They all support the union and abhor the notion of Scotland going its own way. But ...

They're tiring of the constant poisonous crap coming from the SNP and are tending towards the "sod 'em" mantra that I've been espousing for some time now. They'll be sorry, but content to watch Scotland go down as a consequence of its own folly. There will be intense interest in the "Withdrawal Agreement" and political fortunes will depend on there being no generosity from the rest of the UK.

There is some concern as to the potential flight south of wiser Scots who see the writing on the wall if the Referendum (if at all held) goes the wrong way.

All the above is why the UK government won't allow a referendum for a very long time.

pip08456 03-03-2021 01:15
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072771)
Asking around my acquaintances, I've detected a change of heart since a year ago.

They all support the union and abhor the notion of Scotland going its own way. But ...

They're tiring of the constant poisonous crap coming from the SNP and are tending towards the "sod 'em" mantra that I've been espousing for some time now. They'll be sorry, but content to watch Scotland go down as a consequence of its own folly. There will be intense interest in the "Withdrawal Agreement" and political fortunes will depend on there being no generosity from the rest of the UK.

There is some concern as to the potential flight south of wiser Scots who see the writing on the wall if the Referendum (if at all held) goes the wrong way.

All the above is why the UK government won't allow a referendum for a very long time.
With respect Seph your aquaintences are immaterial. Like it or not the SNP are playing the political aspect of Brexit in that it didn't align with the wishes of the Scots.
It doesn't matter if eventually things may turn out better or not, the Scots feel they were sidelined because of the Union. That is the hand the SNP seem to be playing. That is the hand that works for them, or at least little Jimmy Krankie.

Sephiroth 03-03-2021 10:31
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36072774)
With respect Seph your aquaintences are immaterial. Like it or not the SNP are playing the political aspect of Brexit in that it didn't align with the wishes of the Scots.
It doesn't matter if eventually things may turn out better or not, the Scots feel they were sidelined because of the Union. That is the hand the SNP seem to be playing. That is the hand that works for them, or at least little Jimmy Krankie.
You've misunderstood the purport of my post, Pip. If my acquaintances are English weathervanes (and you are not as I understand), then the growing "sod 'em" mentality is a heavy reason why the government won't allow a referendum.

On the "sidelined" notion of your post, the Scottish hypocrisy is stark. On the one hand, they (SNP) don't want to be bound by the EU Referendum yet they want a binding referendum on Scottish secession from the Union.

Hugh 03-03-2021 11:02
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Not sure if Wokingham Tory Waitrose shoppers are a "weathervane" on this matter.

Not that there is anything wrong with being a Wokingham Tory Waitrose shopper, but I don’t believe they could be classed as a valid sampling of the broader English electorate.

gba93 03-03-2021 11:20
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072817)
Not sure if Wokingham Tory Waitrose shoppers are a "weathervane" on this matter.

Not that there is anything wrong with being a Wokingham Tory Waitrose shopper, but I don’t believe they could be classed as a valid sampling of the broader English electorate.
Maybe the referendum should include voters in the other UK countries to see what the feeling across the all the UK is.


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