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2.5 million Gazans will get plenty of water and food from 20 trucks

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Insisting that we can’t draw conclusions because everybody had a motive is being deliberately obtuse. As in any criminal investigation you go where the evidence leads you.

There is physical evidence on the ground that clearly indicates this was not an Israelii missile but a terrorist one that still had a substantial propellant load (there was almost no crater, almost no blast damage, but a lot of fire). There is video evidence of the missile breaking up mid-air and landing on the hospital. There are recordings of the terrorists discussing it and acknowledging what they’ve done.

There is absolutely no evidence that Israel faked any of the above so as to make something they did, look like something Hamas or one of its fellow travellers did. The claim that “Ah well they’ve bombed hospitals before” is not evidence. It’s the cry of a petty criminal who insists he’s being fitted up when he’s been caught climbing out of someone’s kitchen window.

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The answer is 10 btw, 10 hospitals hit

Ah yes the recording of the terrorists discussing what they've done, the one many experts claim lacks credibility and is absurd due to the language, tone, syntax, dialect and accent , stuff like that is why I prefer to wait than rush to judgement, pretty much in the same way I didn't rush to blame the Israelis when it happened

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Look … I see all the same bonkers Tweets you do. There’s no point laundering their contents here as if simply making an assertion somehow makes it credible.

In fact, I almost didn’t mention the recording because I am well aware that some of Hamas’ most fervent cheerleaders have been saying all those things about it. They have to really, because it’s damning, and it’s also the only piece of the evidence they have any hope of discrediting.

You are however making a serious evidence-handling error by allowing subjective opinions about someone’s accent to weigh more heavily than the physical evidence at the blast site. You are quite honestly drifting into ‘CIA blew up the twin towers’ territory with this. The conjecture that Israel somehow acquired a PIJ missile, fired it from within Gaza, and contrived for it to break apart mid-flight in exactly the right place for most of it to land on the hospital, is beyond absurd.

They simply do not need to discredit Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad right now, which is the only plausible motive for them to set up a false flag attack or ‘accident’ at the hospital. The terrorist attacks within Israel itself have given them more than enough self-justification to do whatever they feel they need to.

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Yes, but sadly, the Palestinians living in Gaza City won’t see any of this.

I think Israel should not continue to delay its ground invasion. It will be bloody, but until Israel can move in and start to disable Hamas, the people trapped there will die through hunger and lack of water.

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I've not said or done any of that save for saying I won't be jumping to any conclusions and here you are evidence handling like some weird arabian nights sherlock holmes and drifting into conspiracy theories I've never mentioned, it's worrying how easily you make the leap from what little I said to that tbh and it wasn't on twitter I heard about the recording, it was my nephew the journalist for an Arabic newspaper who incidentally reported the baby atrocities long before anyone else confirmed it who told me there were serious issues with the recording and channel 4 news picked up on it

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Because those 1000's of civilians were there because the IDF bombed their homes after Hamas attacked Israel.

This whole sorry story is not binary and it is not black and white. Actions have consequences on both sides.

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So logically, if Hamas had not attacked Israel, Israel would not have bombed their homes and there wouldn’t have been civilians there, in fact none of the current actions would have happened.

This particular episode that started Saturday before last, is 100% down to Hamas, and Hamas are 100% culpable.

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Didn’t age well, did it?

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Well said, Pierre, but don’t expect the anti-Jewish guys to understand that. If this was the other way around, those same people would not be making these contorted arguments.

It’s always the same. Israel is attacked mercilessly with a constant stream of rockets and other terrorist acts, and when Israel responds, it is they who are condemned.

I’m afraid that logic goes out of the window where Israel and Palestine is discussed.

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We're still none the wiser ( and I was just posting the BBC story). I wouldn't believe either side more than the other.
Hamas and Israel have got form when it comes to disinformation.

Meanwhile a humanitarian disaster is unfolding, which we're supporting/ turning a blind eye to.

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Who are these "anti-Jewish guys" you refer to? Antisemitism is a serious accusation so please be very careful with your language.

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Well, we are. Evidence shows that it is almost certainly a rocket fired from within Gaza that failed.

It also didn’t hit the hospital, but a car park

And 500 people didn’t die.

But apart from that, we’re very much in tha dark.

This is the best quote. “I just immediately regurgitated the BBC story, without thinking”

I don’t blame you because I would expect someone like you to vault onto a headline without applying a little critical thought. But I do blame the BBC and all other MSM outlets. I can’t understand how this all got past Mariana Spring and the BBC misinformation desk?

Of course they would accept Hamas’ version of events with corroboration, Hamas being so trustworthy and all.

seems you did

no shit?

Are you supporting it! I’m not. I don’t think many on here are either.

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What Israel is doing to Gaza seems like a Warsaw II scenario.

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I've not seen any anti-semitic posts in this thread nor have I thought for even a second that the moderators would permit it. Criticism of some of Israel's actions is not the same thing. Indeed, some notable Jewish lawyers recently wrote an open letter raising their concerns about Israel's actions in Gaza. You wouldn't describe them as anti-Jewish, would you?
https://www.ft.com/content/dab1c9ff-...b-43aea6382471

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It is very hard to disregard the fact that people are demanding much higher standards than Hamas practices, even to the extent that doing what some are suggesting would not only prolong this bitter dispute but would ultimately not change anything.

This is the perfect opportunity for Israel to eliminate the scourge of Hamas once and for all, and they need to take it while protecting civilians as best they can during the operation.