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roughbeast 07-02-2024 12:15
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36169549)
Btw, I lived in Rainham (Park Wood) for 5 years in the days when Bobbie Gentry performed in Chatham. That was culture.

But, with these Muslim asylum seekers now faking Christianity to gain residence status, and with the Church of England collaborating, and with the revelations that we can't implement our own anti-illegal-immigration laws, Shit Creek just expanded.
I apologise for not responding to this thread for quite a while. My absence was mostly because of tedious and ignorant comments like yours Sephi. A rational human can only take so much, and can only waste a certain amount of time trying to persuade binary thinkers that the world is not made up of extremes. :rolleyes:

"These Muslims" you say? Straight away, on the basis of one incident of apparent opportunistic conversion to Christianity, you have stereotyped all Muslim asylum seekers as being dodgy and dishonest grifters. There's no subtlety or room for the fact that most Muslims are regular proud Muslims with no wish to change faith. On this basis you declare that there has now been a massive expansion of a non-existent problem.


You couldn't make this farcical interpretation up! Oh! You just did.

Pierre 07-02-2024 13:19
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36169551)
There is only 1 person being talked about as having said he was a Christian stop inflating the the issue beyond what it is.

You seem to love to exaggerate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-christianity/

well there's forty more

https://christianconcern.com/comment...sylum-seekers/

Oh and look

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Around 200 asylum seekers had converted from Islam to Christianity in the previous four years after completing a short five-week baptism course at the cathedral.


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Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 36169556)

"These Muslims" you say? Straight away, on the basis of one incident of apparent opportunistic conversion to Christianity, you have stereotyped all Muslim asylum seekers as being dodgy and dishonest grifters. There's no subtlety or room for the fact that most Muslims are regular proud Muslims with no wish to change faith. On this basis you declare that there has now been a massive expansion of a non-existent problem.


You couldn't make this farcical interpretation up! Oh! You just did.
That didn't age well.

Sephiroth 07-02-2024 13:35
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36169551)
There is only 1 person being talked about as having said he was a Christian stop inflating the the issue beyond what it is.

You seem to love to exaggerate.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-christianity/

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Forty asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm barge are converting to Christianity amid growing fears that migrants are claiming to have changed their religion in order to stay in the country.

Nearly one in seven of the 300 migrants on the barge in Portland, Dorset, are attending churches under the supervision of local faith leaders, according to a church elder.

The disclosure comes amid a growing row over the role of UK churches in supporting the conversion to Christianity of migrants including Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, the suspected Clapham chemical attacker.
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Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 36169556)
I apologise for not responding to this thread for quite a while. My absence was mostly because of tedious and ignorant comments like yours Sephi. A rational human can only take so much, and can only waste a certain amount of time trying to persuade binary thinkers that the world is not made up of extremes. :rolleyes:

"These Muslims" you say? Straight away, on the basis of one incident of apparent opportunistic conversion to Christianity, you have stereotyped all Muslim asylum seekers as being dodgy and dishonest grifters. There's no subtlety or room for the fact that most Muslims are regular proud Muslims with no wish to change faith. On this basis you declare that there has now been a massive expansion of a non-existent problem.


You couldn't make this farcical interpretation up! Oh! You just did.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-christianity/

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Forty asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm barge are converting to Christianity amid growing fears that migrants are claiming to have changed their religion in order to stay in the country.

Nearly one in seven of the 300 migrants on the barge in Portland, Dorset, are attending churches under the supervision of local faith leaders, according to a church elder.

The disclosure comes amid a growing row over the role of UK churches in supporting the conversion to Christianity of migrants including Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, the suspected Clapham chemical attacker.

Taf 07-02-2024 13:54
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UK officials are being quite vague as to why there has been a large increase in cases of measles. But I have seen reports that uptake of the vaccine is very low amongst muslims due to rumours that all the vaccines are pig-based.

As the vaccine is not 100% effective, that has meant cases amongst non-muslims who mix with the unvaccinated.

Stephen 07-02-2024 13:55
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How many of them commited a crime BEFORE they were given the right to stay here?

You can't just tar everyone with the same brush.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36169562)
UK officials are being quite vague as to why there has been a large increase in cases of measles. But I have seen reports that uptake of the vaccine is very low amongst muslims due to rumours that all the vaccines are pig-based.

As the vaccine is not 100% effective, that has meant cases amongst non-muslims who mix with the unvaccinated.
No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping the virus concerned. They reduce the risk of spread and getting severly ill.

Sephiroth 07-02-2024 14:16
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36169563)
How many of them commited a crime BEFORE they were given the right to stay here?

You can't just tar everyone with the same brush.


No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping the virus concerned. They reduce the risk of spread and getting severly ill.
The current bunch of boat people are committing crimes by just coming here without visa clearance.

The latest thing in support of my contentions is the Muslim political movement that is developing. Labour (leadership to its credit) hasn't given significant way to the 6x Muslim MPs who have tried to change Labour policy on Israel so , they Muslims will try to gain parliamentary influence through the ballot box. That will be an alien culture who will apply pressure to further that culture, which would be to the detriment of ours - Sharia Law, for example. Thin end of the wedge - and, whether or not you agree, Hamas sympathisers abound in that ethnic group as shown in the weekly demonstrations.

Chris 07-02-2024 14:22
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36169565)
The current bunch of boat people are committing crimes by just coming here without visa clearance.

The latest thing in support of my contentions is the Muslim political movement that is developing. Labour (leadership to its credit) hasn't given significant way to the 6x Muslim MPs who have tried to change Labour policy on Israel so , they Muslims will try to gain parliamentary influence through the ballot box. That will be an alien culture who will apply pressure to further that culture, which would be to the detriment of ours - Sharia Law, for example. Thin end of the wedge - and, whether or not you agree, Hamas sympathisers abound in that ethnic group as shown in the weekly demonstrations.
Seph - you have been challenged on this canard numerous times and you really ought not repeat it without offering some evidence for how it’s possible.

Our electoral system rewards concentration of support in local areas. As long as minority ethnic communities remain in communities - as culturally, they tend to want to - then it doesn’t matter how many individual Muslim voters there are, there is simply no path for them to gain anything close to a majority of parliamentary seats. And in any case, the idea that the population growth is linear is a fallacy. It is tailing off, reducing the birth rate in line with the death rate, the same as it does everywhere in the world that anchieves low infant mortality and good survival rates into old age. And no amount of immigration is going to fundamentally alter that.

Hugh 07-02-2024 15:58
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36169565)
The current bunch of boat people are committing crimes by just coming here without visa clearance.

The latest thing in support of my contentions is the Muslim political movement that is developing. Labour (leadership to its credit) hasn't given significant way to the 6x Muslim MPs who have tried to change Labour policy on Israel so , they Muslims will try to gain parliamentary influence through the ballot box. That will be an alien culture who will apply pressure to further that culture, which would be to the detriment of ours - Sharia Law, for example. Thin end of the wedge - and, whether or not you agree, Hamas sympathisers abound in that ethnic group as shown in the weekly demonstrations.
Not that simple, is it, though?

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...n-a-small-boat

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Under existing British law, it’s illegal to enter the country without a visa or special permission. That means someone who reaches the UK on a small boat could face up to four years in prison.

But people who make the Channel crossing are protected by international law if they claim asylum once they arrive.

That means they can’t be punished while their application is being considered – and if they’re successful, they won’t be prosecuted for the way they arrived.

Sephiroth 07-02-2024 16:03
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Doesn't existing British law disallow asylum claims from illegal entrants to the UK?

The matter then becomes a clash between that and interpretation of our obligations under International law.

And don't forget, these are not genuine asylum seekers. They are cheats, freeloaders, possible terrorists, etc.

Stephen 07-02-2024 16:11
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No the point of someone coming to a country and claiming asylum is they want safety from persecution or fleeing war if their country isn't safe.

So of course they will likely be illegal when they arrive, likely having left most of their personal belongings behind. I'm sure international law presides in cases of seeking asylum to enter a country.

Also not all are liars, cheats and fakes. However passing judgement on someone is not possible and to call them such is unfair.

Sephiroth 07-02-2024 16:59
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36169576)
No the point of someone coming to a country and claiming asylum is they want safety from persecution or fleeing war if their country isn't safe.

So of course they will likely be illegal when they arrive, likely having left most of their personal belongings behind. I'm sure international law presides in cases of seeking asylum to enter a country.

Also not all are liars, cheats and fakes. However passing judgement on someone is not possible and to call them such is unfair.
They are coming from France. They have dumped their documents. They are cheats, liars and fakes. Everyone knows this and if you don't, there's a problem.

Stephen 07-02-2024 17:02
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36169584)
They are coming from France. They have dumped their documents. They are cheats, liars and fakes. Everyone knows this and if you don't, there's a problem.
If you think all of them are like that then it's you that clearly have a problem. Of course they come via France, how else would they get to an island:rolleyes:

Sephiroth 07-02-2024 17:12
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36169585)
If you think all of them are like that then it's you that clearly have a problem. Of course they come via France, how else would they get to an island:rolleyes:
What's the matter with you? They are in France and should seek asylum there.

Let's say there are one or two in there with documents and who are potentially genuine cases? Then they'd have been genuine in France.

Why do you think they want to come here? They can freeload from our weak immigration system. They are cheats, liars and fakes and have no business to be here.

TheDaddy 07-02-2024 17:30
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36169588)
What's the matter with you? They are in France and should seek asylum there.

Let's say there are one or two in there with documents and who are potentially genuine cases? Then they'd have been genuine in France.

Why do you think they want to come here? They can freeload from our weak immigration system. They are cheats, liars and fakes and have no business to be here.
Now what did you call my idea for peace in Gaza (that's mostly been adopted btw) oh yes cloud cuckoo land or something iirc, well that's you and your rationales here, they've fled some of the worlds armpits and paid a fortune for the privilege and you think they're here to freeload? Don't you think a somewhat saner idea is that they're here because they have family here, can speak the language or know there's people here more than willing to exploit them through cash in hand black market jobs?

Sephiroth 07-02-2024 17:48
Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36169589)
Now what did you call my idea for peace in Gaza (that's mostly been adopted btw) oh yes cloud cuckoo land or something iirc, well that's you and your rationales here, they've fled some of the worlds armpits and paid a fortune for the privilege and you think they're here to freeload? Don't you think a somewhat saner idea is that they're here because they have family here, can speak the language or know there's people here more than willing to exploit them through cash in hand black market jobs?
You're so wrong on so many levels.

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Peace in Gaza: Adopted by who? Israel? Hamas? And, of course, nothing to do with the illegal migrants other than those who might be Islamic terrorists.

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Freeloading: Of course they're here to freeload. We're a soft touch as an immigration system. This doesn't happen in Australia.


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Black market jobs: Yep - that's the one they come here for.

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Relatives: Sure. But we have immigration rules and they shouldn't abuse our immigration rules when coming from a safe country.


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