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RichardCoulter 07-07-2017 14:08
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My point was that they can't have it both ways.

If they want to stay in the area it's going to be extremely unlikely that they'll get anywhere without having sight of the burned out flats.

Also, it's worth remembering that each person affected will have had a different experience. Someone on the ground floor​ may have been able to simply walk outside, whilst those further up may have experienced permanent damage to their lungs or witnessed people dying around them.

Should we treat them all the same when it comes to accessing support and services?

Damien 07-07-2017 14:24
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35906554)
My point was that they can't have it both ways.

If they want to stay in the area it's going to be extremely unlikely that they'll get anywhere without having sight of the burned out flats.
The district is quite large so I think it probably is possible albeit maybe less easy. I haven't heard of them denying accommodation on that basis. I don't really have an opinion one way or another on that.

Hugh 07-07-2017 15:26
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35906555)
The district is quite large so I think it probably is possible albeit maybe less easy. I haven't heard of them denying accommodation on that basis. I don't really have an opinion one way or another on that.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...ssed-dh0v09ljw (behind paywall)

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Offers of housing have been made to 139 families but most have been refused because they were seen as unsuitable, sometimes too small or too far from relatives and schools. Some residents rejected properties close to the burnt-out tower, which caused distress.

Aziza Boud, 44, a mother of five who is staying in two hotel rooms with her children, said the only offer she had received was in another borough. Her hotel rooms have been rebooked until the end of August.

“They offered me something like for like but it was so far from the kids’ school,” she said. “Why should I go there when we have lived in the area and our homes were here? The council don’t come here or tell us anything. Everything we hear is from hotel staff.”

Sid-ali Atmani, who has lived in Kensington for 21 years, said the only accommodation he had been offered was in Westminster. It had only two bedrooms and was not big enough for his family. “We are not asking for the moon, we are asking for dignity,” he said.

nomadking 07-07-2017 15:37
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How sure how they can whinge about a new property being too small, when almost all of the flats were 1 or 2 bedroom ones.

richard1960 07-07-2017 17:35
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35906558)
How sure how they can whinge about a new property being too small, when almost all of the flats were 1 or 2 bedroom ones.
They were but if you look at a picture of the rooms in Grenfell House the rooms were huge in size plenty of open space , the flats were large .

denphone 07-07-2017 17:43
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35906573)
They were but if you look at a picture of the rooms in Grenfell House the rooms were huge in size plenty of open space , the flats were large .
Older places tend to have much bigger rooms then a lot of the newer builds.

richard1960 07-07-2017 17:45
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Older places tend to have much bigger rooms then a lot of the newer builds.
That's very true denphone, indeed the properties where I live the older ones have the largest rooms for sure.

denphone 07-07-2017 17:47
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35906579)
That's very true denphone, indeed the properties where I live the older ones have the largest rooms for sure.
Some of these newer builds have bedrooms more akin to box rooms Richard.

richard1960 07-07-2017 17:53
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35906580)
Some of these newer builds have bedrooms more akin to box rooms Richard.
Yes they do more like we have this plot of land how small can we make the rooms, to maximise our yield(Builder speak for profit) ;)denphone.

Hugh 07-07-2017 17:57
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40530354

Why it isn't so easy to rehouse so many people in one area in a short time.

richard1960 07-07-2017 18:08
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35906583)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40530354

Why it isn't so easy to rehouse so many people in one area in a short time.
Yes it will take a long time to re house them all , personally I think the modular housing idea is a very good one quick to put up , and will buy a few years whilst a permanent solution is found.

Osem 07-07-2017 19:05
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35906584)
Yes it will take a long time to re house them all , personally I think the modular housing idea is a very good one quick to put up , and will buy a few years whilst a permanent solution is found.
I might be wrong but I'd be very surprised if many of these families would opt for that. I have a feeling they've been 'advised' that they can and should expect far better. I have some sympathy with that but that is what's causing the delays, not the council.

Pierre 07-07-2017 19:53
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"It's too small" , "it's too far away", " it's too close" , "it's the wrong colour" , " it's the wrong shape"

How about, " I'm flucking lucky to be alive. I'll manage with what I get given, as I know it's temporary and there's a lot of stuff to sort out.

.??

papa smurf 07-07-2017 20:13
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35906593)
"It's too small" , "it's too far away", " it's too close" , "it's the wrong colour" , " it's the wrong shape"

How about, " I'm flucking lucky to be alive. I'll manage with what I get given, as I know it's temporary and there's a lot of stuff to sort out.

.??
their all in what can i get out of this mode

deadite66 07-07-2017 20:29
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The council in "How to get a council house" had a 3 strikes rule, turn down 3 and you off the list.
wonder if they have the same here.


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