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passingbat 03-03-2017 15:15
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35888301)
Whether one agrees with their views or not its pretty preposterous and illogical to call them or members of the public who don't support Brexit traitors as that is their beliefs as it is the people who voted for Brexit who have their own beliefs as well.

l though the British people were better then that but sadly the behaviour and insults since the referendum was called and hence since then with the vote for Brexit and afterwards have been nothing sort of deplorable IMO.

Check my previous posts Den, I specifically omitted the public and the vast majority of Remain MPs (as I did in the last post) and named Ken Clarke and Tony Blair as examples. Both are Bilderberg members and globalists at heart. That means they are happy to cede laws (and therefore sovereignty) to unelected people.

There are times when you need to call 'a spade, a spade'. I know that upsets the Political Correctness brigade, but so be it.

1andrew1 03-03-2017 15:31
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888310)
Check my previous posts Den, I specifically omitted the public and the vast majority of Remain MPs (as I did in the last post) and named Ken Clarke and Tony Blair as examples. Both are Bilderberg members and globalists at heart. That means they are happy to cede laws (and therefore sovereignty) to unelected people.

There are times when you need to call 'a spade, a spade'. I know that upsets the Political Correctness brigade, but so be it.
Tony Blair and Ken Clarke are many things but not traitors. You could argue that Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are traitors for pushing for Brexit which will leave the country poorer, more isolated and having less clout in the world. They're not. It's just people holding different and valid opinions.

denphone 03-03-2017 15:40
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35888308)
There are people on both sides that need to take a step back and relax but in fairness there is idiocy on both sides designed to get the rowdy minority foaming at the mouth. Gina miller is in this for her and i no longer believe her stories of harassment and bullying and i can see her being a constant issue for brexit expecting to get her own way on the process.
Yes indeed as my sentiments apply to both sides and not just those who voted for Brexit RK.

techguyone 03-03-2017 16:09
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888312)
Tony Blair and Ken Clarke are many things but not traitors. You could argue that Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are traitors for pushing for Brexit which will leave the country poorer, more isolated and having less clout in the world. They're not. It's just people holding different and valid opinions.
Well hold on a moment there, that's just a little premature, unless you're Mystic Meg, how about we revisit that statement in 5 years and see.

RizzyKing 03-03-2017 16:16
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Only some sources support your prediction for the future Andrew and they are far from universally believed and there are others that paint a far better picture. Given the utter mess we were told we'd be in right now if we voted to leave you'll have to excuse people not taking doom and gloom at face value but your welcome to picture the future however you want doesn't mean it's realistic.

Hugh 03-03-2017 16:17
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35888284)
So referring to remoaners as traitorous and/or hormonal is not on? Aww, not fair ;)
You forgot the other playground insults - "you smell of wee" and "your mum!"... ;)

passingbat 03-03-2017 16:26
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888312)
Tony Blair and Ken Clarke are many things but not traitors. You could argue that Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are traitors for pushing for Brexit which will leave the country poorer, more isolated and having less clout in the world. They're not. It's just people holding different and valid opinions.
You have no concrete evidence too support that. So called financial experts were totally discredited after the referendum.


Nigel Farage is a man for this time. It's most likely that without him, the referendum would not have happened. He (and Trump) get the battle that is going on between nation state Sovereignty and a globalist agenda.

papa smurf 03-03-2017 16:30
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Why doesn't the House of Lords move to Brussels? RICHARD LITTLEJOHN wonders why the unelected peers are so determined to betray the majority of people they are paid to represent


Not for the first time, it fell to Norman Tebbit to speak for Britain. Why was it, he asked his fellow members of the Lords, that they were elevating the rights of foreigners over those of the British people?
‘It seems to me the first duty of this Parliament, of the United Kingdom, is to care for the interests of the citizens of this kingdom,’ he said.


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Mr K 03-03-2017 18:45
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35888329)
Why doesn't the House of Lords move to Brussels? RICHARD LITTLEJOHN wonders why the unelected peers are so determined to betray the majority of people they are paid to represent


Not for the first time, it fell to Norman Tebbit to speak for Britain. Why was it, he asked his fellow members of the Lords, that they were elevating the rights of foreigners over those of the British people?
‘It seems to me the first duty of this Parliament, of the United Kingdom, is to care for the interests of the citizens of this kingdom,’ he said.


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Richard Little Willy/ Daily Mail? Nuff said really.
The Lord's may be unelected old codgers, but they have plenty of experience and stop us making some seriously bad laws. If the Commons wasn't so incompetent they wouldn't be needed.

Mick 03-03-2017 18:48
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888355)
Richard Little Willy/ Daily Mail? Nuff said really.
The Lord's may be unelected old codgers, but they have plenty of experience and stop us making some seriously bad laws. If the Commons wasn't so incompetent they wouldn't be needed.
More claptrap. You should not have an unelected house dictate what an elected house should do, it is undemocratic. This is yet more evidence of you living in cuckoo land.

Ramrod 03-03-2017 18:55
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888294)
British Sovereignty is under attack, as is National Sovereignty world wide. It is important to understand the real agenda. The man in the street is largely unaware of this, but certain politicians are fully aware of this and it is why they kept the true aims of the Common Market hidden and deceived the British public. These people who want to sell out British Sovereignty deserve to be labelled what they actually are.
Yep. I was calling our past remainer prime ministers traitors (not the remainer voting public) but that point seems to have gone unnoticed by our remainer members here.

Mr K 03-03-2017 18:55
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888357)
More claptrap. You should not have an unelected house dictate what an elected house should do, it is undemocratic. This is yet more evidence of you living in cuckoo land.
Except they don't. They pass legislation back to the commons with suggested improvements. The commons the say yes or no to them. Very rarely will they stop an elected the govt. from doing their business. You should read the Constitution Michael.

Mick 03-03-2017 19:06
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888362)
Except they don't. They pass legislation back to the commons with suggested improvements. The commons the say yes or no to them. Very rarely will they stop an elected the govt. from doing their business. You should read the Constitution Michael.
It's not rare at all, they stopped the Tax credit amendments last year.

I will pay no heed to your advice because I stand by my assertion, you cannot have an unelected house dictate policy to an elected house which is essentially what they do, they won't pass legislation and insist on their amendments until they get what they want and it goes back and forth in game of ping pong.

RizzyKing 03-03-2017 19:49
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I'll take the house of lords seriously when a lot of them attend for more then the required duration to get their allowance and some don't use the chamber as a snooze lounge. Norman tebbit was absolutely spot on and despite what some think he usually does speak more for citizens then many others.

Mick 03-03-2017 19:55
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35888374)
I'll take the house of lords seriously when a lot of them attend for more then the required duration to get their allowance and some don't use the chamber as a snooze lounge. Norman tebbit was absolutely spot on and despite what some think he usually does speak more for citizens then many others.
I do remember this moment in the Lords, it does have it's comedy moments:-


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