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Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35443594)

Out of interest, what is the criteria for the Welsh teams to be allowed to play in the English leagues?

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Originally Posted by Premier League Rules

2. The League shall consist of those association football clubs playing in England and Wales not
exceeding 20 in number which are from time to time members of the Company.

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35443594)

On the one hand, I think Rangers ought to be allowed to stay in the Premier League because otherwise Celtic get a clear run at the league every season. On the other hand though, Rangers were happy to not pay taxes for such a long period of time that demotion to at least Scottish Division 3 would be better for the whole of Scottish football.

As for Celtic in the Premier League of England, no chance in Hell. At the very minimum if they want to take part in English football then they would have to start (in my mind anyway) at the very least in the Blue Square Premier and work their way up to the Premier League.

I have been a long time critic of the fact that Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport and Colwyn Bay can play in English leagues. It is not fair that they have a chance to play in the English leagues when the Welsh FA wouldn't let an English team like Shrewsbury or Telford play in their league. Hypocrisy.

Out of interest, what is the criteria for the Welsh teams to be allowed to play in the English leagues?

I think Celtic are more of a FL Championship team to be honest, Idealy I would call for a Atlantic League including major clubs in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal and Celtic (maybe what remains of Rangers can join as well)

If Shewsbury Town (a League 1 side) joined the Welsh Premier, they will end up dominating it far too much, thats the reason why , Swansea, Wrexham, Newport and Colwyn Bay do not play in that league and thus are in the "better" English Leagues, one of the teams in the Welsh Premier League is the staff team of the Airbus Factory in Broughton, Flintshire, Wales!

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443604)

If it isn't broken, why try to fix it?

Probably the same criteria that allows English teams to play in the Welsh league (Shrewsbury) and Scottish league (Berwick).

It works.

Well it will be broken if Celtic end up winning the SPL all the time!

Also I disagree about the fact we have 1 league system per home nation rather than 1 for the whole of Great Britain (as is the case for the rest of the world)

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Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35443594)

It is not fair that they have a chance to play in the English leagues when the Welsh FA wouldn't let an English team like Shrewsbury or Telford play in their league.

You sure about that?

Any idea which team founded the Welsh league?

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35443622)

Well it will be broken if Celtic end up winning the SPL all the time!

Was the EPL broken when Liverpool kept winning during the 60s and 70s and when United dominated the 90s and 2000s?

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443626)

You sure about that?

Any idea which team founded the Welsh league?

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Was the EPL broken when Liverpool kept winning during the 60s and 70s and when United dominated the 90s and 2000s?

Even during the 60s, 70s, 80s the First Division (later the EPL), other teams won the titles, they where dominated by Liverpool

As for the 90s and 00s, Arsenal and Chelsea kept on winning the EPL title even during those time and now Man City had been added into the mix!

But due to Rangers and Celtic dominance of the SPL, if Rangers go, then Celtic will end the winning it all the time, since the gap between them and other teams is bigger than in the top league of England!

The Welsh Premier League was formed as a attempt to keep the Welsh FA seperate from other Hoem Nations FA, by setting up a proper national league (in the past, bigger teams where just send to the English Football League), it mainly consisted of Welsh Non-League teams playing in the English League system and where not too keen on joining this new league. There are issues with the fact the big clubs do not play in this league though!

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35443632)

Even during the 60s, 70s, 80s the First Division (later the EPL), other teams won the titles, they where dominated by Liverpool

As for the 90s and 00s, Arsenal and Chelsea kept on winning the EPL title even during those time and now Man City had been added into the mix!

But due to Rangers and Celtic dominance of the SPL, if Rangers go, then Celtic will end the winning it all the time, since the gap between them and other teams is bigger than in the top league of England!

Either we're talking about a different EPL or you have a different definition of "kept on winning" to the rest of us.

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443635)

Either we're talking about a different EPL or you have a different definition of "kept on winning" to the rest of us.

Arsenal and Chelsea have won a fair number of EPL titles!

Man U however has won more, but unlike Celtic (if Rangers shut down or kciked out of the SPL) their not handed the title on a plate

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35443637)

Arsenal and Chelsea have won a fair number of EPL titles!

Man U however has won more, but unlike Celtic (if Rangers shut down or kciked out of the SPL) their not handed the title on a plate

There's no guarantee Celtic would be dominant. Rangers' top players will have to go somewhere if they leave. United have been the dominant team over the last 20 years and that wasn't destructive for the EPL. You're based an extreme suggestion on something that hasn't even (and is unlikely to) happened yet.

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443643)

I highly doubtful that Rangers players would want to cut their wages and join a smaller Scottish Football club like Hearts (who cannot afford them anyway!)

Also a Rangers player joining Celtic (or the other way round) is a taboo and is very rare, so they will join clubs outside Scotland. This means that gap between Celtic and other club will be even bigger since other Scottish clubs are not doing well either (at least Rangers are a challege to Celtic)

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35443664)

I highly doubtful that Rangers players would want to cut their wages and join a smaller Scottish Football club like Hearts (who cannot afford them anyway!)

It transpires that Rangers actually couldn't afford the players either, well not without the help of you and I and every other tax payer in the country.

Before Rangers started financially doping the Scottish league it was more competitive than the EPL has been in the last decade. In the 80s Aberdeen won the league 3 times, Dundee Utd once, Celtic 4 times and Rangers only twice. Hearts narrowly missed out on the last day of the season in 1985/86.

Edit... Is it coincidence that Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hearts are the first three clubs to confirm a no vote for the New Rangers getting direct entry into the SPL

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When did Ranger start using the EBT schemes and living well outwith their means?

Pretty sure it was the mid to late 90s (if not later) and nowhere near the time that a diddy team could aspire to winning the league.

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35445422)

Rangers started spending beyond their means when Murray took over in the late 80s. Rangers went deeper and deeper into debt from that moment on. It was only the benevolence of the establishment bank, The Bank of Scotland, that allowed Moonbeams to continue his ego trip.

The usual balances, e.g. concerned directors or investigative journalism, remained absent until Hugh Adams stuck his head above the parapet 10 years ago.

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Ah the establishment. Is that you Lawrence? ;)

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35445439)

Ah the establishment. Is that you Lawrence? ;)

:confused: Lawrence?

Lawrence Marlborough? Yir wink smiley is lost on me:dunce:

Re: Football Season 2012/2013

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35445448)

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