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Damien 30-10-2017 13:22
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
None of the charges related directly to Russia collusion as far as I can see.

Most of them are to do with not registering work he was doing with foreign governments, money laundering and so on. Although I don't know what 'conspiracy against the United States is'.

Mick 30-10-2017 13:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922488)
No surprises for the Donald either given the amount of tweets he's been putting out. Anything to distract from his ever nearing appointment with Justice. Manafort might have some interesting info....
Nearing?

He has to have done something wrong first.

And crucially, even if Mueller had something on Trump. A sitting President cannot be indicted, so nothing is happening to Trump any time soon, Manafort has been under investigation for some time and just to be clear, Trump did actually fire him as campaign manager, when he found out about him being funded by Russian counterparts.

1andrew1 30-10-2017 13:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922488)
No surprises for the Donald either given the amount of tweets he's been putting out. Anything to distract from his ever nearing appointment with Justice. Manafort might have some interesting info....
Manafort has now turned himself in.

Mick 30-10-2017 13:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922490)
None of the charges related directly to Russia collusion as far as I can see.

Most of them are to do with not registering work he was doing with foreign governments, money laundering and so on. Although I don't know what 'conspiracy against the United States is'.
I am not a lawyer obviously, but I think the Conspiracy against the US is Tax fraud ?

I see "18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States" in google when I look it up.

Damien 30-10-2017 13:30
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Probably is tax fraud.

It seems the statute of limitations was to expire on some of these crimes hence the desire to charge now. Apparently these may not be the final charges, some may be added or dropped.

Either way for now these don't seem to implicate Trump. Unless Trump does something stupid like fire Muller or pardon Manafort that is. (or Manafort does have stuff to spill that goes further up that chain).

Hugh 30-10-2017 15:33
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN1CZ1RJ?il=0
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - George Papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents, the federal special counsel said on Monday, becoming the third adviser to President Donald Trump’s campaign to face criminal charges in its investigation.

Papadopolous is an international energy lawyer who was on Trump’s advisory team during the 2016 presidential campaign. The Chicago man pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 in a case unsealed on Monday, the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller said in a statement.

The court document said Papadopolous made false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation shortly after Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, when the law enforcement agency had an open investigation into Russian government efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.

The special counsel said Papadopoulos told FBI agents he had been in contact with an unnamed foreign “professor” who claimed to have “dirt” on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” and that Papadopolous claimed such contacts occurred before he joined Trump’s campaign.

However, the prosecutor said Papadopolous in fact did not meet the professor until after he joined Trump’s campaign.
He was arrested in July, pled guilty early October, but it was sealed until today...

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/ex-t...bi-agents.html
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The U.S. alleges that George Papadopoulos made contact with foreign nationals tied to the Russian government and subsequently lied to federal agents about those meetings.

Papadopoulos was arrested on July 27 and entered a plea deal on Oct. 5.

According to the documents, Papadopoulos met with a female Russian national in March 2016. This woman was allegedly introduced to Papadopoulos, then foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign, as a relative of Russian President Vladimir Putin with ties to senior Kremlin officials.

The filings also say that Papadopoulos is cooperating with the U.S. government in its ongoing investigation of Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 election.
The actual court document - https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...nt-Offense.pdf

Last paragraph
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Following his arrest, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met with the Government on numerous occasions to provide information and answer questions.

Damien 30-10-2017 15:48
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They buried the lead!

Apparently he is still 'cooperating' with the investigation.

Hugh 30-10-2017 19:24
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According to that court document, the Russians told him they had ‘thousands of Clinton emails’ in April 2016; WikiLeaks released the DNC emails in July 2016.

I wonder where WikiLeaks got the emails from?

TheDaddy 30-10-2017 19:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922459)
Come on Thedaddy, surely you can see this is just pure click bait. Page is just riddled with ads.

I don't deny, he has a high self-promoting, self loving personality, not sure why this is a personality disorder, this is a trait I could also apply to most of the planet.

Most people big themselves up in life. To get a job, to get a partner. It's called living, but not many get to be the President of the United States. Sure, he spent big trying to get there, but Hillary spent much more trying to as well, pretty sure she is a high, self promoter too.
Come on Mick surely you can see it's hilarious, I can actually hear his voice all over those words. Ms Huffington and the donald have been squabbling for years as I'm sure you know, this 25 year old note suddenly resurfacing is probably payback for the tweet

Fully understand why ariannas husband left her for a man, he made a good decision, ugly person on the inside and out

Or words to that effect. I found that funny to, in fact the man is a gift that keeps on giving and I'm sure his antics will keep me amused right up to just before we're all little ashy silhouettes on the pavement

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Agree, people react differently to different things when they go through grief, General Kelly did actually advise him not to make the call at all, but then Trump thought if he doesn't he will be taken to task by the already Anti-Trump media, he made the call and he still is.
He deserves credit for making the call, it is just a shame for the widow it only heightened her grief.

1andrew1 30-10-2017 20:03
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So the main story today is that there is now a link to Trump's campaign and the Russians.
Whoever the President - and I'm no fan of either Hillary or Donald - I think it's a good thing that US law and order is not intimidated against prosecuting potential criminals even if the President is unhappy with them for doing so. A win for democracy and the little people IMHO.
Trump adviser George Papadopoulos lied about Russian links

Mick 30-10-2017 21:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922556)
So the main story today is that there is now a link to Trump's campaign and the Russians.
Whoever the President - and I'm no fan of either Hillary or Donald - I think it's a good thing that US law and order is not intimidated against prosecuting potential criminals even if the President is unhappy with them for doing so. A win for democracy and the little people IMHO.
Trump adviser George Papadopoulos lied about Russian links
No that isn’t the main story. There is still no link. Think you’re getting ahead of yourself. None of the charges today, give any indication of Trump and Collusion with Russia.

Also, Papadopoulos, was not a Trump Advisor, he volunteered his services to Trumps campaign, after that he is/was a independent foreign policy advisor on Energy.

1andrew1 30-10-2017 21:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922567)
No that isn’t the main story. There is still no link. Think you’re getting ahead of yourself. None of the charges today, give any indication of Trump and Collusion with Russia.

Also, Papadopoulos, was not a Trump Advisor, he volunteered his services to Trumps campaign, after that he is/was a independent foreign policy advisor on Energy.
You say Papadopoulos was not an adviser and then you say he was an adviser on energy. That sounds a bit like Jeremy Corbyn's view on Brexit. :D
You may have misunderstood my post in the heat of the moment, and I get that it's not a good day for Trump fans. But I've not mentioned collusion. But there is a link now to Trump's campaign and the Russians and no amount of "Crooked Hillaries" will alter that.

Mick 30-10-2017 21:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35922545)
According to that court document, the Russians told him they had ‘thousands of Clinton emails’ in April 2016; WikiLeaks released the DNC emails in July 2016.

I wonder where WikiLeaks got the emails from?
Assange says it got them via a FOIA.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianAss...97350007279616

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922570)
You say Papadopoulos was not an adviser and then you say he was an adviser on energy. That sounds a bit like Jeremy Corbyn's view on Brexit. :D
You may have misunderstood my post in the heat of the moment, and I get that it's not a good day for Trump fans. But I've not mentioned collusion. But there is a link now to Trump's campaign and the Russians and no amount of "Crooked Hillaries" will alter that.
I repeat with no heat of the moment involved, there still is no link.

Also, I think you need to go to Specsavers, Clue is in the Words ‘After’ and ‘independent’.

Damien 30-10-2017 22:03
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He was a foreign policy advisor to the campaign according to the court documents. The White House aren't disputing that but are saying he was doing so voluntarily.

What is interesting is that it seems no-one knew this outside of the investigation until now despite pleading guilty in July because they wanted to keep it a secret: https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/925026667768229888

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This is significant. Papadopolous agreed to cooperate with Mueller in July, and Mueller didn't want his cooperation known.

He is being described as a 'proactive cooperator' who would not be able to continue being so if his status was known: https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/925025511516114944

It seems Papadopoulos was acting as an informant until very recently unbeknownst to anybody else. So who else did he talk too during that time?

Speculation from some that he might even have been wearing a wire: https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/925029460142944258

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922571)
Assange says it got them via a FOIA.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianAss...97350007279616
Assange would. He is far more implicated with Russia than anyone else we've talked about here.

However I don't know what e-mails we're talking about. DNC e-mails would not be subject to a FOI request.

Gary L 30-10-2017 22:11
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Bring back Obama FFS!
Getting fed up with this joke of a president and his Twitter. The man's a joke. What has he done since he's been in? apart from FA!

Mick 30-10-2017 22:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35922575)
Bring back Obama FFS!
Getting fed up with this joke of a president and his Twitter. The man's a joke. What has he done since he's been in? apart from FA!
Yet, you support a joke that is the leader of the Labour Party. Enough said. :rolleyes:

No, let’s not not bring Obama back, not that it can happen, two term Presidents cannot serve a third.

Hugh 30-10-2017 22:25
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1 Attachment(s)
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922567)
No that isn’t the main story. There is still no link. Think you’re getting ahead of yourself. None of the charges today, give any indication of Trump and Collusion with Russia.

Also, Papadopoulos, was not a Trump Advisor, he volunteered his services to Trumps campaign, after that he is/was a independent foreign policy advisor on Energy.
Trump posted this on March 31st 16 on Twitter and Instagram - it says National Security Meeting - seems a very high level meeting for someone not important to attend?

Damien 30-10-2017 22:36
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35922545)
According to that court document, the Russians told him they had ‘thousands of Clinton emails’ in April 2016; WikiLeaks released the DNC emails in July 2016.

I wonder where WikiLeaks got the emails from?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922571)
Assange says it got them via a FOIA.


I repeat with no heat of the moment involved, there still is no link.
It seems to be the hacked Podesta e-mails: https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/s...22808446345216

No way that was obtained by a FOI request. :erm:

This is all around the time of that tweet from Trump with Papadopoulos in the meeting. Week or so later he is allegedly told by a Russian source about these hacked e-mails. Month or so after that Wikileaks has them.

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Also far more to come: https://twitter.com/BySteveReilly/st...63641870856192

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U.S. District Court for D.C. has four sealed cases in its docket with case numbers between Papadopoulos' (182) and Manafort's (201).


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It also seems, according to the court documents, other people on the campaign were told of this Russian meeting: https://twitter.com/BySteveReilly/st...25417299398657

1andrew1 30-10-2017 22:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922571)
I repeat with no heat of the moment involved, there still is no link.

Also, I think you need to go to Specsavers, Clue is in the Words ‘After’ and ‘independent’.
Hugh's responded to you about the status of Papadopolous so I won't duplicate effort here. As he points out, not even the White House is denying this point now.

Regarding the Russian link, I fail to see why you're in denial about this too. Are all the reports fake news? Did Papadopoulos not cover up his meetings with Russian-connected individuals who promised adverse information on Clinton? Or is he too junior to count?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41808227

Gary L 30-10-2017 22:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922577)
Yet, you support a joke that is the leader of the Labour Party. Enough said. :rolleyes:

No, let’s not not bring Obama back, not that it can happen, two term Presidents cannot serve a third.
The most powerful man in the world.

I think this one's known as the most childish.

Just take his Twitter off him. and tell him to do some work.

Mick 30-10-2017 23:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35922586)
The most powerful man in the world.

I think this one's known as the most childish.

Just take his Twitter off him. and tell him to do some work.
If I had that ability, I’d be the owner of Twitter and very rich. Let’s get back to reality Gary, most of the time, something you struggle with.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922585)
Hugh's responded to you about the status of Papadopolous so I won't duplicate effort here. As he points out, not even the White House is denying this point now.

Regarding the Russian link, I fail to see why you're in denial about this too. Are all the reports fake news? Did Papadopoulos not cover up his meetings with Russian-connected individuals who promised adverse information on Clinton? Or is he too junior to count?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41808227
Not in denial, and I stand by my posts as I always do. I repeat there still is no link!

1andrew1 30-10-2017 23:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922588)
Not in denial, and I stand by my posts as I always do. I repeat there still is no link!
Today's revelations have sufficed for most but it sounds like more is on its way. So it won't be long until you are presented with something that will reluctantly tick your box.
Today was a good one for American justice. The worker at Walmart can rest assured that despite their wealth and connections, misbehaviour is punished at all levels and the establishment took a blow for the people tonight.

Mick 31-10-2017 00:53
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Wow, what on Earth are you talking about?

Was that your closing speech for the night?

There is nothing revelating on crimes of money laundering and tax fraud. Mueller going after Manafort was long anticipated, and all it boils down to was a raft of crimes centred on just money.

TheDaddy 31-10-2017 01:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922577)

No, let’s not not bring Obama back, not that it can happen, two term Presidents cannot serve a third.
Tell that to FDR, he might still be president now if a little thing like his death hadn't happened. Rules have been amended before and they can always be changed again.

Damien 31-10-2017 07:40
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https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/s...44729548935169

He was in London the other week. People pointing out that wouldn’t be allowed under his bail conditions unless he had special permission. Who did he met? He has clearly been working for the investigation...

1andrew1 31-10-2017 07:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922596)
Wow, what on Earth are you talking about?

Was that your closing speech for the night?

There is nothing revelating on crimes of money laundering and tax fraud. Mueller going after Manafort was long anticipated, and all it boils down to was a raft of crimes centred on just money.
The important point that came out yesterday was not about the two Ms but about Trump's adviser, Papadopoulos and his links to the Russians. As a reminder, you tried to argue that he was not an important adviser. Hugh then posted a picture of Papadopoulos at a National Security Meeting which destroyed your argument.
Moving forward a day and it wasn't The Sun wot won it for Trump but Facebook. Around half of the US population of voting age may have seen 80,000 posts that were published by operatives based in Russia.
http://news.sky.com/story/russia-bac...icans-11106534

Mick 31-10-2017 08:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922604)
The important point that came out yesterday was not about the two Ms but about Trump's adviser, Papadopoulos and his links to the Russians. As a reminder, you tried to argue that he was not an important adviser. Hugh then posted a picture of Papadopoulos at a National Security Meeting which destroyed your argument.
Moving forward a day and it wasn't The Sun wot won it for Trump but Facebook. Around half of the US population of voting age may have seen 80,000 posts that were published by operatives based in Russia.
http://news.sky.com/story/russia-bac...icans-11106534
It was said a few weeks ago the Facebook ads were also pro Hillary.

No, what won it for Trump was Hillary being a ghastly opponent and I refute my argument being destroyed. For the 5th, 6th time there still is NO link. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35922597)
Tell that to FDR, he might still be president now if a little thing like his death hadn't happened. Rules have been amended before and they can always be changed again.
And you really think that will happen under a Republican controlled Congress, Supreme Court and Executive Branch ?

They won’t change that again, just to bring Obama back.

TheDaddy 31-10-2017 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922611)
It was said a few weeks ago the Facebook ads were also pro Hillary.

No, what won it for Trump was Hillary being a ghastly opponent and I refute my argument being destroyed. For the 5th, 6th time there still is NO link. :rolleyes:
Brown stuff might just be about to hit a fan.


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10...mueller-probe/

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And you really think that will happen under a Republican controlled Congress, Supreme Court and Executive Branch ?

They won’t change that again, just to bring Obama back.
I never said that, I don't think Obama was popular enough for public opinion to force a change and they would have to force it, there's no way the powers behind the thrones of either party want to be lumbered with a leader the people love, who is relatively competent and not particularly corruptable for anymore than two terms and besides Obama didn't do enough to warrant it changing imho

Damien 31-10-2017 08:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35922615)
Brown stuff might just be about to hit a fan.


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10...mueller-probe/
It's what I've said a few posts earlier.

Even if he wasn't wearing a wire he has been secretly working for the Mueller investigation for months. It's not clear who, if anyone, outside the investigation knew he had even been arrested let alone cooperating. It turns out he was in London last week and couldn't have done so without special permission from the FBI and a waver so that's also led to speculation he was working on behalf of the investigation then as well.

There are also further sealed cases relating to the investigation. Some of them are probably further charges on people related to the foreign money stuff Manafort got done for. However who else has already been taken in? Do they have further people working for the investigation? Why were these charges not released yesterday? Who has talked to Papadopoulos since he has been working for Mueller ?

Hugh 31-10-2017 10:12
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You have to wonder if Flynn has done a "Papadopoulos", and is one of the sealed cases? - there was as much evidence against him as there was against Manafort.

Mr K 31-10-2017 10:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35922627)
You have to wonder if Flynn has done a "Papadopoulos", and is one of the sealed cases? - there was as much evidence against him as there was against Manafort.
This is going to make one hell of a good movie.

papa smurf 31-10-2017 10:23
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922629)
This is going to make one hell of a good movie.
if this threads anything to go by it really won't make a good movie ,it's a dreadful read .

Damien 31-10-2017 10:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35922627)
You have to wonder if Flynn has done a "Papadopoulos", and is one of the sealed cases? - there was as much evidence against him as there was against Manafort.
After yesterday I imagine they would stay well clear.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922629)
This is going to make one hell of a good movie.
All The Tsar's Men.

Mick 31-10-2017 10:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35922631)
if this threads anything to go by it really won't make a good movie ,it's a dreadful read .
Not to mention, I think normal people, are fed up of the hysteria and false narratives being put out there.

pip08456 31-10-2017 10:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922637)
Not to mention, I think normal people, are fed up of the hysteria and false narratives being put out there.
You're not wrong there Mick (at least I think I'm "normal").

Damien 31-10-2017 10:37
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We're talking about court documents and a man whose pleaded guilty.

Mr K 31-10-2017 10:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922634)

All The Tsar's Men.
I was thinking more of 'Carry on Colluding'..... (with Barbara Windsor as Hillary, and John Travolta as the Donald ? )

Stuart 31-10-2017 10:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922611)

And you really think that will happen under a Republican controlled Congress, Supreme Court and Executive Branch ?
Going off topic a little for a minute, what Mick said above is why I think Trump actually has no evidence of any wrongdoing on Hillary's part, despite his protestations to the contrary. If he presented any evidence to the US government, she would be charged within hours, simply because the Republicans control congress, the executive branch and the supreme court. Even if she had not been charged in the first few hours, he has had 10 months to produce any evidence, she would have been charged (and possibly convicted) by now.

Regarding the Mueller investigation, I think there are links to the Trump campaign, and I think that has been proved. What I don't think has been proved yet (and I think it will, but in time) is if any of those links end at Trump himself, or his family.

It is important to remember that while Trump was in charge of the campaign, and ultimately benefited, he is not automatically responsible if his staff commit crimes without him being aware.

Mick 31-10-2017 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35922641)
Going off topic a little for a minute, what Mick said above is why I think Trump actually has no evidence of any wrongdoing on Hillary's part, despite his protestations to the contrary. If he presented any evidence to the US government, she would be charged within hours, simply because the Republicans control congress, the executive branch and the supreme court. Even if she had not been charged in the first few hours, he has had 10 months to produce any evidence, she would have been charged (and possibly convicted) by now.

Regarding the Mueller investigation, I think there are links to the Trump campaign, and I think that has been proved. What I don't think has been proved yet (and I think it will, but in time) is if any of those links end at Trump himself, or his family.

It is important to remember that while Trump was in charge of the campaign, and ultimately benefited, he is not automatically responsible if his staff commit crimes without him being aware.
It is not up to Trump to present evidence on Hillary, there is strong indications being reported and in Washington Post, which is Anti-Trump, that going off financial transactions that the Podesta Company (Hillary’s Campaign Team) and the DNC paid for the Fake Russian Dossier on Trump. Many legal commentators say Hillary should be worried.

As for last part of your post. When Trump became aware of Manaforts ties to Russian counterparts, he severed ties by firing him. Which could be the wisest decision that saves him.

Damien 31-10-2017 11:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922645)
It is not up to Trump to present evidence on Hillary, there is strong indications being reported and in Washington Post, which is Anti-Trump, that going off financial transactions that the Podesta Company (Hillary’s Campaign Team) and the DNC paid for the Fake Russian Dossier on Trump. Many legal commentators say Hillary should be worried.
Which legal commentators?

Also the Podesta Company was not Hillary Campaign Team. It was John Podesta his brother who managed it.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922645)
As for last part of your post. When Trump became aware of Manaforts ties to Russian counterparts, he severed ties by firing him. Which could be the wisest decision that saves him.
It's not Manafort but Papadopoulos he'll be concerned about at the moment.

Mick 31-10-2017 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922649)
Which legal commentators?

Also the Podesta Company was not Hillary Campaign Team. It was John Podesta his brother who managed it.
Legal commentators & legal professors in the US.

However, both brothers founded the group, Tony Podesta left the firm as of yesterday due to close scrutiny due to the revelations of the firm and the DNC paying millions for the Trump Russian Dossier. Which it is being said is a potential crime, felony.

Tony doesn’t want the firm to fight the revelations, he wants to do that as individual, to which he will be a bit late, if a prosecutor is assigned, they will sift through everything with the Podesta name on it. Walking away from the firm, does not mean automatic immunity to them.

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Originally Posted by Damien
It's not Manafort but Papadopoulos he'll be concerned about at the moment.
I don’t believe he will be. He pleaded guilty to telling porkies to the FBI about having Russian links. Papa, tried to setup meetings with these Russians and Trump several times, but Manafort told him no.

Clearly Mueller has nothing credible on Trump collusion, else why go through with now trying to leverage Manafort with these charges, in a bid to do a deal to get Manafort to talk on what he knows, if there is actually something to talk about?

Damien 31-10-2017 12:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922656)
Legal commentators & legal professors in the US.
Ok but there are a lot of commentators. If there is something there then the FBI can investigate or indeed have a special prosecutor. The Democrats control no branches of government so they can't stop it. People talking on TV isn't enough.

If there is enough then by all means they should investigate. Doesn't take anything away from the Mueller investigation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922656)
However, both brothers founded the group, Tony Podesta left the firm as of yesterday due to close scrutiny due to the revelations of the firm and the DNC paying millions for the Trump Russian Dossier. Which it is being said is a potential crime, felony.

Tony doesn’t want the firm to fight the revelations, he wants to do that as individual, to which he will be a bit late, if a prosecutor is assigned, they will sift through everything with the Podesta name on it. Walking away from the firm, does not mean automatic immunity to them.
All true and Tony Podesta might be in the same trouble. However his brother John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chairman, isn't yet implicated in this. He left the firm in 1993 before the time of these allegations (2012-2014).

Also the DNC / Fusion GPS dossier thing is different from The Podesta Group case. The latter is being investigated by Mueller.

Quote:
Clearly Mueller has nothing credible on Trump collusion, else why go through with now trying to leverage Manafort with these charges, in a bid to do a deal to get Manafort to talk on what he knows, if there is actually something to talk about?
There is a difference between Trump collusion and collusion generally. He does have clearly have evidence of the later. I don't know what Mueller actually has on Trump or anyone else in the campaign. My wild guess is that Trump himself will never be implicated personally but that more senior people than Papadopoulos might be. Any risk to Trump would be if he was judged to have impeded the FBI investigation into this case by firing Corney. Remember this what the FBI was investigating.

Mueller's investigation is still going. Who else is in those sealed documents? Who has Papadopoulos talked too since working for the investigation? Does Mueller have other people who've been secretly charged?

1andrew1 31-10-2017 13:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922665)
There is a difference between Trump collusion and collusion generally. He does have clearly have evidence of the later.
Agreed but good luck in convincing Mick of this!

Mick 31-10-2017 13:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922667)
Agreed but good luck in convincing Mick of this!
I agree with Damien’s assertions, but you on other hand, have previously declared him guilty of collusion, when evidence is a bit on the thin side.

Damien 31-10-2017 13:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922674)
I agree with Damien’s assertions, but you on other hand, have previously declared him guilty of collusion, when evidence is a bit on the thin side.
Hey I didn't conclude with anyone. :D

1andrew1 31-10-2017 13:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922674)
I agree with Damien’s assertions, but you on other hand, have previously declared him guilty of collusion, when evidence is a bit on the thin side.
Only the same evidence as Damien's. I've previously said the Russian collusion investigation wasn't over when you said it hadn't discovered anything. That's not the same as declaring anyone guilty of anything it's just the plain truth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922675)
Hey I didn't conclude with anyone. :D
lol, for the record I don't think Damien concluded or colluded with the Russians despite their apparent love of social media. ;)

Dude111 01-11-2017 02:27
Trump the muppet
 
Makes alot more sense!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZnlz-b2NnY

papa smurf 03-11-2017 18:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Has Trump pulled off unlikely economic miracle? US economy confounds forecasters

AGAINST the experts’ forecasts Donald Trump seems to be turning the US economy around recording THREE per cent growth for the second quarter in a row.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...ans-investment

Damien 03-11-2017 18:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923118)
Has Trump pulled off unlikely economic miracle? US economy confounds forecasters

AGAINST the experts’ forecasts Donald Trump seems to be turning the US economy around recording THREE per cent growth for the second quarter in a row.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...ans-investment
The economy isn't being 'turned around'. It's been growing at around 2-3% for years now: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...=XU&start=2003

1andrew1 03-11-2017 19:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35923125)
The economy isn't being 'turned around'. It's been growing at around 2-3% for years now: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...=XU&start=2003
Shh! Don't tell the Express readers it's all fake news. They're happier believing that Trump is performing economic miracles. ;)

Talking of fake news, it was interesting to see these Facebook sites set up by the Russians. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41829537

papa smurf 03-11-2017 19:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
it's great news that the American economy is in goooood shape being steered by a money savvy president you don't get to be as rich as the Donald if you don't know what your doing with business and money .

---------- Post added at 19:43 ---------- Previous post was at 19:42 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35923135)
Shh! Don't tell the Express readers it's all fake news. They're happier believing that Trump is performing economic miracles. ;)

Talking of fake news, it was interesting to see these Facebook sites set up by the Russians. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41829537
even your fake news report is fake

1andrew1 03-11-2017 19:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923136)
even your fake news report is fake
I'm a sceptic of the BBC (Brexit Broadcasting Corporation) but I've cross-checked this article.

Mick 03-11-2017 21:49
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923136)
it's great news that the American economy is in goooood shape being steered by a money savvy president you don't get to be as rich as the Donald if you don't know what your doing with business and money .

---------- Post added at 19:43 ---------- Previous post was at 19:42 ----------



even your fake news report is fake
Spot on, liberals believe their own nonsense.

1andrew1 03-11-2017 22:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35923157)
Spot on, liberals believe their own nonsense.
Damien has fact-checked the Express article out and found it fake.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35923125)
The economy isn't being 'turned around'. It's been growing at around 2-3% for years now: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...=XU&start=2003

Osem 03-11-2017 22:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923118)
Has Trump pulled off unlikely economic miracle? US economy confounds forecasters

AGAINST the experts’ forecasts Donald Trump seems to be turning the US economy around recording THREE per cent growth for the second quarter in a row.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...ans-investment
You're not suggesting that the US's version of project fear was just as accurate as the UK's are you? :D

papa smurf 03-11-2017 22:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35923160)
You're not suggesting that the US's version of project fear was just as accurate as the UK's are you? :D
it seems to be in safe hands and prospering despite the liberal trump hate mobs daily protestations ;)

Osem 03-11-2017 22:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923162)
it seems to be in safe hands and prospering despite the liberal trump hate mobs daily protestations ;)
No you'll see. If you predict doom long enough you're bound to be right sooner or later. If you're really good at it and influential you can even help make it happen...

I recall hearing people talk of a mass exodus pf decent people, suicides etc. etc. etc. It was all just as much hogwash as Osborne's tax increasing, expenditure curtailing emergency budget. ;)

Hugh 03-11-2017 23:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923136)
it's great news that the American economy is in goooood shape being steered by a money savvy president you don't get to be as rich as the Donald if you don't know what your doing with business and money .

---------- Post added at 19:43 ---------- Previous post was at 19:42 ----------



even your fake news report is fake
If the Donald had invested his money in the stock market index funds, he would be much wealthier than he is now.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.tim...mp-index-funds

Hard to be rich when your dad provides guarantees for your loans, then you inherit his money...

TheDaddy 04-11-2017 03:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923165)
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If the Donald had invested his money in the stock market index funds, he would be much wealthier than he is now.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.tim...mp-index-funds

Hard to be rich when your dad provides guarantees for your loans, then you inherit his money...
And starts you of with a small loan, which turned out to be millions and bails you out with an illegal one to, good job he's so savvy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.9a988be06ca5

papa smurf 04-11-2017 06:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923165)
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If the Donald had invested his money in the stock market index funds, he would be much wealthier than he is now.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.tim...mp-index-funds

Hard to be rich when your dad provides guarantees for your loans, then you inherit his money...
oooh sour grapes

:cleader: go Donald

Osem 04-11-2017 08:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I dare say the origins of many rich people's wealth has come from inheritance in one form or another. Not sure that proves much in itself or is a reason for denigrating anyone. :shrug:

Mr K 04-11-2017 09:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Oh dear here's a bit a 'fake news' that won't go down well in Trump's echo chamber.

Quote:
Major report by government agencies goes against senior members of Trump administration and finds evidence of global warming stronger than ever
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...y_to_clipboard

His own federal agencies spreading these lies aswell; maybe he can just abolish them all ? :shrug:

1andrew1 04-11-2017 09:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35923177)
I dare say the origins of many rich people's wealth has come from inheritance in one form or another. Not sure that proves much in itself or is a reason for denigrating anyone. :shrug:
I think you've missed Hugh's point.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35923179)
Oh dear here's a bit a 'fake news' that won't go down well in Trump's echo chamber.


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...y_to_clipboard

His own federal agencies spreading these lies aswell; maybe he can just abolish them all ? :shrug:
Pesky liberal tree-hugging so-called experts! We don't need to read such tax-payer funded nonsense. Let's spend the money saved on tax cuts to the squeezed upper classes! :D

papa smurf 04-11-2017 09:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
[QUOTE=1andrew1;35923182]I think you've missed Hugh's point.[COLOR="Silver"]



Jealousy :shrug:


:cleader: go Donald

Mr K 04-11-2017 09:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923189)
:cleader: go Donald
He has gone, on a long tour to Asia, lucky US !

Wonder if they can build a massive wall round the country whilst he's away ? :)

1andrew1 04-11-2017 09:46
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35923190)
He has gone, on a long tour to Asia, lucky US !

Wonder if they can build a massive wall round the country whilst he's away ? :)
Really looking forward to the foot-in-mouth moments that this trip provides! :)

papa smurf 04-11-2017 10:02
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35923194)
Really looking forward to the foot-in-mouth moments that this trip provides! :)
The Donald and Prince Philip should do a world tour ;)

Osem 04-11-2017 10:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
For those who think I've missed Hugh's point I wasn't referring specifically to that or I'd have quoted it his comment. I was referring to the wider feeling in society that Trump and people who've inherited wealth haven't necessarily done anything worthwhile or productive on their own account. Time will tell how successful Trump is or isn't and how he got where he is.

---------- Post added at 10:09 ---------- Previous post was at 10:07 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923197)
The Donald and Prince Philip should do a world tour ;)
Yes maybe they'd make as much money on the circuit as people like Clinton, Blair et al in spite of the wrongs they did.

1andrew1 04-11-2017 10:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923197)
The Donald and Prince Philip should do a world tour ;)
I'd subscribe to a live stream! I find Prince Philip funny, my guilty treat!

Hugh 04-11-2017 14:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35923177)
I dare say the origins of many rich people's wealth has come from inheritance in one form or another. Not sure that proves much in itself or is a reason for denigrating anyone. :shrug:
Because the original statement was that he was a savvy businessman, and I showed he would have been richer if he had just invested his loans/inheritance in index trackers, so not such a savvy businessman...

papa smurf 04-11-2017 14:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923220)
Because the original statement was that he was a savvy businessman, and I showed he would have been richer if he had just invested his loans/inheritance in index trackers, so not such a savvy businessman...
i'm sure he wishes he had your billions and financial acumen

Osem 04-11-2017 15:29
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923220)
Because the original statement was that he was a savvy businessman, and I showed he would have been richer if he had just invested his loans/inheritance in index trackers, so not such a savvy businessman...
He could have lost a lot of money doing that too and still could - no investments are totally safe.

As I've already stated my point was a wider one about those who seem to feel inheriting money and keeping it is easy.

1andrew1 04-11-2017 16:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35923229)
As I've already stated my point was a wider one about those who seem to feel inheriting money and keeping it is easy.
Inheriting money is pretty much a case of luck. Investing that money in tracker funds is easy.
Hugh's point was that if Trump had invested his inherited wealth and loan in shares he would have made more money than he has done as a property and leisure entrepreneur. That's factually correct.
Personally, I give credit to Trump for running a business but nothing you or I have said undermines the truth of Hugh's argument. Nor does it make Hugh jealous of Trump or vice versa.

papa smurf 04-11-2017 16:06
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35923230)
Inheriting money is pretty much a case of luck. Investing that money in tracker funds is easy.
Hugh's point was that if Trump had invested his inherited wealth and loan in shares he would have made more money than he has done as a property and leisure entrepreneur. That's factually correct.
Personally, I give credit to Trump for running a business but nothing you or I have said undermines the truth of Hugh's argument. Nor does it make Hugh jealous of Trump or vice versa.
the court thanks the defense for it's opinion

TheDaddy 04-11-2017 17:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923220)
Because the original statement was that he was a savvy businessman, and I showed he would have been richer if he had just invested his loans/inheritance in index trackers, so not such a savvy businessman...
Mmm still sounds like you're jealous he isn't as rich as he could easily have been :spin:

Osem 04-11-2017 17:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
If he wasn't savvy he could have lost the lot. Plenty of privileged people have. I'm certain Trump's not the sharpest tool in the entrepreneurial block but he's certainly not the dullest either.

1andrew1 05-11-2017 00:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Bit more on the Russian Trump-Brexit trolls
Quote:
One spectacular example of how sophisticated the agency has been emerged on Friday, with the revelation that a Twitter user named Jenna Abrams, supposedly a Right-wing young American woman, was, in fact, a fictitious product of the troll factory.
'Ms Abrams' was astonishingly successful in getting her views on all kinds of matters aired, and they were picked up by media organisations, including the BBC, CNN, The New York Times and the Washington Post. As the US election loomed, the Tweets to her 70,000 followers became more overtly political, such as: 'I'm not pro-Trump. I am pro-common sense.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4xVvo9ysW

Hugh 05-11-2017 11:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35923245)
Mmm still sounds like you're jealous he isn't as rich as he could easily have been :spin:
I have a field that is empty of the fracks I give about his wealth... :D

tbf, he must be a savvy businessman - when he frequently travels to his various golf clubs, he charges the Secret Service who have to accompany him for rooms at his hotels and for using his Golf Buggies.

Mick 05-11-2017 13:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923330)
I have a field that is empty of the fracks I give about his wealth... :D

tbf, he must be a savvy businessman - when he frequently travels to his various golf clubs, he charges the Secret Service who have to accompany him for rooms at his hotels and for using his Golf Buggies.
Tut tut, rehashing old arguments Hugh, that chip on your shoulder must be heavy. ;)

Secret Service are on a business trip, they have expenses to pay, just as you or I would be expected to pay, if we are on business.

1andrew1 05-11-2017 14:49
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35923194)
Really looking forward to the foot-in-mouth moments that this trip provides! :)
Whilst the Don's delivered in this respect, he's not been amusing. :td:
Quote:
And in a remark that held the potential to cause widespread offence in a country where America killed around 140,000 people in 1945 - when it dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki - the President added: “Every once in a while, in the past, they underestimated us. It was not pleasant for them, was it?”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8038551.html

1andrew1 05-11-2017 18:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
More links to Russia exposed as if we need any more! If Ross wants to appear clean he should have sold the shares. Instead, he tried to hide them offshore.

This time, Wilbur Ross, who helped Trump evade bankruptcy in the 1990s and was later appointed commerce secretary in Mr Trump's administration has "been shown to have retained an interest in a shipping company which earns millions of dollars a year transporting oil and gas for a Russian energy firm whose shareholders include Vladimir Putin's son-in-law and two men subject to US sanctions.
It will again raise questions about the Russian connections of Donald Trump's team. His presidency has been dogged by allegations that Russians colluded to try to influence the outcome of last year's US election"

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/11/6.png

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41876939

Hugh 05-11-2017 19:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35923350)
Tut tut, rehashing old arguments Hugh, that chip on your shoulder must be heavy. ;)

Secret Service are on a business trip, they have expenses to pay, just as you or I would be expected to pay, if we are on business.
But they only go there because Trump wants to play golf, not business - isn't it a conflict of interest with him going to somewhere he makes a profit on his staff having to attend only because he goes there?

He has spent 96 days at Trump Properties whilst he has been President, 76 of those at Trump golf properties - the Secret Service wouldn't have to hire golf buggies and pay out so much money if he didn't spend so much time there.

If they go to Camp David, they don't have pay for accommodation or transport...

Stuart 06-11-2017 13:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923406)
But they only go there because Trump wants to play golf, not business - isn't it a conflict of interest with him going to somewhere he makes a profit on his staff having to attend only because he goes there?

He has spent 96 days at Trump Properties whilst he has been President, 76 of those at Trump golf properties - the Secret Service wouldn't have to hire golf buggies and pay out so much money if he didn't spend so much time there.

If they go to Camp David, they don't have pay for accommodation or transport...
It's interesting that Trump's fans criticised Obama for spending so much time Golfing, when they are happy for Trump to spend more time.

It's also interesting that they allow Trump to get away placing his own businesses under the control of his children, when the normal procedure is to place them under the control of a blind trust. This, as I understand it, is legal, but morally, it is dubious (a bit like Clinton funding the DNC, which I noticed Trump fans are happy to shout about).

What I do not understand is how ANYONE can not see that Trump is arguably profiting from his term as the President of the USA, while pushing the fact he is donating his salary to charity. As noted above by Hugh, Camp David already provides facilities for Presidential protection, and I'd argue that because it has been the President's 2nd home for decades, it's probably an order of magnitude more secure than a commercial resort (which is essentially what Mar-A-Lago is).

This, to me, doesn't feel like an action that someone who is truly in interested in getting the best for the American people, and not just in it for how he can profit, would take.

1andrew1 06-11-2017 22:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35923484)
It's interesting that Trump's fans criticised Obama for spending so much time Golfing, when they are happy for Trump to spend more time.

It's also interesting that they allow Trump to get away placing his own businesses under the control of his children, when the normal procedure is to place them under the control of a blind trust. This, as I understand it, is legal, but morally, it is dubious (a bit like Clinton funding the DNC, which I noticed Trump fans are happy to shout about).

What I do not understand is how ANYONE can not see that Trump is arguably profiting from his term as the President of the USA, while pushing the fact he is donating his salary to charity. As noted above by Hugh, Camp David already provides facilities for Presidential protection, and I'd argue that because it has been the President's 2nd home for decades, it's probably an order of magnitude more secure than a commercial resort (which is essentially what Mar-A-Lago is).

This, to me, doesn't feel like an action that someone who is truly in interested in getting the best for the American people, and not just in it for how he can profit, would take.
I doubt even the biggest Trump fan boy would deny Trump's corruption in the circumstances you have outlined above.

daveeb 07-11-2017 10:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35923546)
I doubt even the biggest Trump fan boy would deny Trump's corruption in the circumstances you have outlined above.
Well I wouldn't bet my house on it :D

Mick 07-11-2017 10:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Less of the term ‘fan boy’, such a childish remark and it’s term used on this forum is frowned upon. Do not use it again Andrew!

All I can say to Stuart’s post, is that the claims of corruption are complete BS regarding Trump not being in it to MAGA. This is negative hysteria working overtime yet again. The moaning that he has given his business to his children, during his Presidency. I don’t believe for one minute, any sane person would sideline their kids inheritance.

And this moaning about making crap loads of money and direct profiting, its complete one sided BS as usual.

For a start, just look at how much Obama has made in paid for speeches, last time I looked, it was about $400,000 per speech. Obama has also put in a request for over a $1 Million of expenses for the next year. Look at how much money Bill Clinton makes per speech.

And if you want to talk about corruption, just look at the stories coming out about the DNC, that it is being alleged and said to be out of cash and how the very Crooked Hillary, allegedly contributed to keep it afloat, and in return, the DNC rigged the Primaries, to get Hillary as the Presidential Nominee.

Quote:
Democrats rigged the 2016 primary for Hillary Clinton, claims former DNC chair.

Donna Brazile alleges that Hillary Clinton was controlling the finances of the Democratic party before she officially became its nominee
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8034716.html

So all Trumps claims last year, that the system is rigged for Hillary, it really was.

Mr K 07-11-2017 11:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35923586)
Less of the term ‘fan boy’, such a childish remark and it’s term used on this forum is frowned upon. Do not use it again Andrew!

All I can say to Stuart’s post, is that the claims of corruption are complete BS regarding Trump not being in it to MAGA. This is negative hysteria working overtime yet again. The moaning that he has given his business to his children, during his Presidency. I don’t believe for one minute, any sane person would sideline their kids inheritance.

And this moaning about making crap loads of money and direct profiting, its complete one sided BS as usual.

For a start, just look at how much Obama has made in paid for speeches, last time I looked, it was about $400,000 per speech. Obama has also put in a request for over a $1 Million of expenses for the next year. Look at how much money Bill Clinton makes per speech.

And if you want to talk about corruption, just look at the stories coming out about the DNC, that it is being alleged and said to be out of cash and how the very Crooked Hillary, allegedly contributed to keep it afloat, and in return, the DNC rigged the Primaries, to get Hillary as the Presidential Nominee.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8034716.html

So all Trumps claims last year, that the system is rigged for Hillary, it really was.
Getting a bit repetitive every time the spotlight is on Trump, to try and point is elsewhere. Right out of Trumps 'guide to governance'. You should apply for WH press officer Mick, the post becomes vacant regularly !

Mick 07-11-2017 13:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35923588)
Getting a bit repetitive every time the spotlight is on Trump, to try and point is elsewhere. Right out of Trumps 'guide to governance'. You should apply for WH press officer Mick, the post becomes vacant regularly !
Well elsewhere is the bigger problem, or are you happy to carry on displaying you and others here have a one sided agenda, as well as double standards ?

Also, you have no room to talk when it comes to repetition, I'll take no lectures from you. :rolleyes:

Damien 08-11-2017 07:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35923586)
All I can say to Stuart’s post, is that the claims of corruption are complete BS regarding Trump not being in it to MAGA. This is negative hysteria working overtime yet again. The moaning that he has given his business to his children, during his Presidency. I don’t believe for one minute, any sane person would sideline their kids inheritance.
You don't need too. He doesn't have to give up his business but put it in a blind trust where he can't see the investments being made and therefore risk taking actions which would be for the benefit of his business.

All other Presidents have done this.

Quote:
For a start, just look at how much Obama has made in paid for speeches, last time I looked, it was about $400,000 per speech. Obama has also put in a request for over a $1 Million of expenses for the next year. Look at how much money Bill Clinton makes per speech.
So? They've left office.

Quote:
And if you want to talk about corruption, just look at the stories coming out about the DNC, that it is being alleged and said to be out of cash and how the very Crooked Hillary, allegedly contributed to keep it afloat, and in return, the DNC rigged the Primaries, to get Hillary as the Presidential Nominee.
Ok but if Clinton had done the following would it be ok?
  • Been the first President not to put their business interests in to a blind trust
  • Appointed her son-in-law as an advisor
  • Went on Holiday in Clinton-owned Hotels and charged the secret service for it

We both know the right would be going apocalyptic if Clinton were seen to be making profit from the Presidency and appointing her own family into senior positions.

Why is Trump exempt?

TheDaddy 08-11-2017 07:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35923764)
You don't need too. He doesn't have to give up his business but put it in a blind trust where he can't see the investments being made and therefore risk taking actions which would be for the benefit of his business.

All other Presidents have done this.



So? They've left office.



Ok but if Clinton had done the following would it be ok?
  • Been the first President not to put their business interests in to a blind trust
  • Appointed her son-in-law as an advisor
  • Went on Holiday in Clinton-owned Hotels and charged the secret service for it

We both know the right would be going apocalyptic if Clinton were seen to be making profit from the Presidency and appointing her own family into senior positions.

Why is Trump exempt?
No wonder he's happy not to take presidential salary, it's chump change compared to what he's creaming of the top. What did his wife say in that court case, that accusations of her being a tramp limited opportunities to monetise the role of first lady, they're all at it!

Mick 08-11-2017 11:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The Office Presidency is a lucrative role, but even more so once leaving it just look at the hundreds of millions Bill Clinton has made and is still making, looks like Obama will get there too. So enough of the hypocrisy regarding Presidents and former President, making tons of money either in or out of office, the fact is they’re still using their Presidential title to make millions.

Damien 08-11-2017 12:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35923803)
The Office Presidency is a lucrative role, but even more so once leaving it just look at the hundreds of millions Bill Clinton has made and is still making, looks like Obama will get there too. So enough of the hypocrisy regarding Presidents and former President, making tons of money either in or out of office, the fact is they’re still using their Presidential title to make millions.
Yes but we’re not talking about Trump making money after he has left office. We’re talking about him not properly separating his business interests whilst he is actually President, hiring his children to government roles and always going to his own golf courses.

If Clinton rather than Trump had been the first President not to put her business interests to a Blind trust and had hired her own family would that not be an issue?

Mick 08-11-2017 12:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
If it’s not illegal, no I would not complain, it’s a bit like the Tax avoidance issue, it’s not illegal, so pointless complaining about it.

Hugh 08-11-2017 14:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Didn't stop people complaining about Benghazi - nothing illegal was done, but there were 10 inquiries into it, and nothing illegal was found.

Didn't stop people complaining about Clinton's emails, even though a FBI investigation concluded no "reasonable prosecutor" would bring a criminal case against Mrs Clinton, but that she and her aides were "extremely careless" in their handling of classified information.

So careless, but not illegal.

Mr K 08-11-2017 15:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923856)
Didn't stop people complaining about Benghazi - nothing illegal was done, but there were 10 inquiries into it, and nothing illegal was found.

Didn't stop people complaining about Clinton's emails, even though a FBI investigation concluded no "reasonable prosecutor" would bring a criminal case against Mrs Clinton, but that she and her aides were "extremely careless" in their handling of classified information.

So careless, but not illegal.
Well that's ok then, we don't need to mention Clintons name again next time the Donald does something stupid ! (which I predict will be very shortly...)

Mick 08-11-2017 21:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923856)
Didn't stop people complaining about Benghazi - nothing illegal was done, but there were 10 inquiries into it, and nothing illegal was found.
Because nothing legal was found, doesn't mean nothing illegal was carried out, not to mention and I keep pointing this out, which you conveniently ignore, is that the Benghazi's victims family say Hillary even lied to them, said one thing to them and something else in an email that was later leaked.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Didn't stop people complaining about Clinton's emails, even though a FBI investigation concluded no "reasonable prosecutor" would bring a criminal case against Mrs Clinton, but that she and her aides were "extremely careless" in their handling of classified information.

So careless, but not illegal.
Hugh. that's right, twist what I said to Damien. :rolleyes:

Actually, have you read Comey's drafted response?

It was later changed from 'grossly negligent' to 'extremely careless', the change being significant because being 'grossly negligent' potentially constitutes a crime and not to mention she lied under oath saying she did not pass any classified emails when Comey later said she did!

At the end of the day, she gets brought up because she was Trump's opposite number and this business of being accused of deflection and whataboutery, I only have to go to other threads and other members are guilty of doing the same!!!

Thankfully, she lost, it's sweet victory, after all the alleged rigging done for her by the DNC, the former DNC chair is absolutely ripping in to her at the moment, for stealing the Nominee from Sanders. So while, you think the sun shines out of her arse, it does not and the DNC may have won with Bernie but they went with her.

Hugh 08-11-2017 21:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
“alleged rigging"?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/donna-...rigged-2017-11
Quote:
Brazile responded to Trump's tweets with several of her own later on Friday, arguing that Trump misquoted her and mischaracterized her accusations.

"Trump looks for a daily excuse to distract from his job. No, the primary system wasn't rigged! States control primary ballots," Brazile wrote. "Today's lesson: Being quoted by Donald Trump means being MIS-quoted by Donald Trump. Stop trolling me. #NeverSaidHillaryRiggedElection"
btw, defending someone from what I believe is partisan and made up accusations does not equate with believing in her personal rectal daylight projection ability.

Mick 08-11-2017 22:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35923945)
“alleged rigging"?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/donna-...rigged-2017-11

btw, defending someone from what I believe is partisan and made up accusations does not equate with believing in her personal rectal daylight projection ability.
Yes, alleged rigging, are you going blind? :dozey:

That is what I said and I stand by it especially since in her new book she does say it was rigged. :rolleyes:

It was even on CNN that is what she said FFS.

Quote:
Brazile writes the DNC was rigged in Clinton's favor because her campaign was largely financing the party early on in the presidential election.

Brazile's comments rip a scab off a wound that plagued the Democratic Party during last year's primary and charge the Clinton campaign with impropriety.
The Democratic strategist said the agreement "was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical."
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/02/po...ook/index.html

Purposely linking CNN, as you know, your favourite read for all things Anti-Trump.

1andrew1 10-11-2017 22:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
This alternative media source (hopefully not fake!) seems to raise a fair point in that none of these anti-Trump celebs has followed through on their promise to leave the US if he was elected.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...you-still-here

Damien 12-11-2017 08:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Not to do with Trump so much but don't want a start a new thread.

In Alabama there is a Special Election for the Senate in December. Normally this is a safe Republican seat but the Republican candidate has been accused by many women of going after teenagers including one who was 14 years old when he was in this thirties.

They can't remove him from the ballot so some Republicans are still publicly backing him. Now though it's a closer race.


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