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South Ayrshire votes NO by 58%

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East Ayrshire vote NO by 53%

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Only 6 areas left to declare. The map of Scotland on SKY is almost a total white wash apart from a few YES blips.

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Both SKY and BBC have forecast NO.

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You are not far wrong MM.:)

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If the last 6 all voted yes, would yes win overall?

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Even if all 6 remaining voted YES, NO would still be likely to win.

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Excrement. Oh well. Knew I was going to be bitterly disappointed, but still upset I didn't get my wish. I hope you no voters are happy.

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More relieved than happy. Need to go to bed

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Yep over the moon.

Time to go fishing on Facebook. The meltdown has already started. :D

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Ok so its a NO vote, can we get back to dealing with the important issues we face at the moment instead of a utopian dream pushed on the people of Scotland by an idiot who should now do the right thing and fall on his sword. BTW where's Jimi :LOL:

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Got a funny feeling once the dust has settled we'll all be winners

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Cannot wait to see what sort of backlash happens against Cameron later. More money and power to Scotland for not leaving the UK. Great. What about the rest of the UK you twit? As it stands, despite being a very vocal anti UKIP person I can see myself voting for them next election.

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As someone born in Scotland, but living in England, I am relieved and pleased at the result.

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I honestly believe this has been a total disaster for Salmond and he should do the honourable thing and fall on his sword for

A. Wasting tax payers money.
B. Making our lives a misery having to watch and listen to this fools errand over the last 2 bloody years

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Cameron just been on to talking about giving the same rights to the other countries and in the same time frame, so no back lash at all and I for one am pleased that we will have more say on what happens in England.

Agree with other posters that Salmond should go, he was so cock sure with his lies and spin yet still lost.

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Why? He's a Brit who considers himself Scottish.

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Made up for those who got the result they wanted.

The image left in my mind is one of sorry Salmond looking about as happy as Gordon Brown when he was confronted with his 'bigot' insult on live radio. So nice to see the smug grin wiped from his face. Priceless.

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thank god that is over

the correct decision

Can't imagine the total amount of money that has been wasted on this folly.

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And as expected the Taffia is expecting to be treated the same as a nation with a greater population and financial contribution...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29271322

All the while forgetting that the WA can't organise alcohol-based merriment in a brewery.

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Good morning, Great Britain. :D . Very glad that's over. We won the war, now it's time to win the peace.

In other news ... BBC Scotland's output is like an episode of KYTV this morning. I think the night shift are still at the controls. It's a mess.

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So now the electioneering continues for the 2015 election..Oh what fun seeing as they have been at it for at least a year now...The referendum was just a slight burp in the middle..but the media storm will just continue ever onwards..:(

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Oh shut up gloating. You got your wish, so stop rubbing it in. I really hope Cameron is kicked out of office next year now. Bribed them into voting no, and what about the rest of us in the UK? Do we not matter? Posh twit. Would rather see Farage running the country, unfortunately it would only be a coalition with the backstabber.

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Yes, To No. :D

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Here in Scotland we have been suffering the nationalists attempts to vandalise our country for nearly 2 years, and now we have finally won. You are going to have to put up with a lot more gloating yet.

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Oh yes let's vote for the man who screws as much as he can from the taxpayer via his MEP expenses and intends standing as an MP at the same time with access to more expenses and a wage increase at the taxpayers expense..Oh yes he'll be a change from the upper class twits..:rolleyes:

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Got to say the Yes lot are very bitter and some amount of hateful FB updates this morning from friends.

They didn't deserve a win with their behaviour.

Just hope that all those new armchair politics experts remember to turn out next year for the general election.

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I thought I would love it when Scotland voted No and I could see all the Yes people upset but it didn't happen. Now I just feel a bit gutted for them whilst happy No won.

No point holding onto anger after an election. Doesn't do anyone any good.

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I cant work out the final poll from last night.

BBC/Sky says that

55.3% voted NO with just over 2m votes.
44.7% voted YES with just over 1.6m votes.

Why is 0.4m is 10% win?

More like 52%/48% win to NO.

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I take it math is not your strong point :)

Total voters = 3.6m, 2m = 55% of the total, 1.6m = 45% of the total (roughly, its actually more like 55.55 and 44.45).

Its not 52/48.

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Not an fan of %.

After all you cant get % on some phones.:D

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Were you off the day they did percentages at school? :D

2/3.6 X 100 = 55.56%

1.6/3.6 X 100 = 44.44%

edit: too slow; Paul M has a faster calculator ;)

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Bottled it then :( guess were gonna have to wait for it all to start again probably sooner rather then later.

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God I hope not, still maybe we'll all end up with our own federal type system where you know... English MP's vote for English matters, Scotts for Scottish & so on, hey ho.

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I agree

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I am so glad and relieved it is over and delighted with the result,

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I have a lot of emotions at the result I'm very happy, delighted & jumping for joy that Scotland voted NO Mark :D

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:tu: @ you ;)

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I take it English isn't yours... :)

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I think Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales, should all be given special power, I am still on a high with the NO vote, Will celebrate tonight,

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In another way it's could be seen as pretty honourable. Does so before the result but after he could have affected other votes.

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I'm just flat right now. Some of it I'm sure is because Missus and I have just worked 18 days without a day off until now, some of it is a couple of very late nights recently (and a very early morning today), but also I can't bring myself to be triumphant at the shattered dreams of people who really believed a Yes was going to change everything for them and their country. We need to find a way together, I'm glad we'll be doing it together with the UK, but I wish none of this had been necessary.

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Sadly, I think the damage has been done. Scotland will remain divided and I have seen some people on Twitter saying no voters should watch their backs. Even though I knew I was going to be bitterly disappointed, it was nowhere near as big a win for no as they said a month or so ago. Sadly Salmond has gone now as well. A very sad day for me today.

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I shouldn't fret too much, Salmond's like a bad penny.

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I don't think we have anything to fear from scunnered, sweaty men hiding in their parents spare bedrooms, posting from a filthy keyboard whilst wearing nothing but shredded underpants and a Still Game tee shirt.

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I dare say there'll be some who now adopt an 'Anyone but Murray' attitude and they'll argue it's poetic justice.

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Won't have to worry about Salmond moving forward, wonder how the Sturgeon will fare.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527

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They should start with my mate in Glasgow, he's a 17 stone cage fighter and he voted no. Would like to see how they fared with him the bitter turds.

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I've seen a lot of old friends posting "I voted Yes" on their FB pages, when I know they wouldn't have.

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Yep , everyone needs to watch out for the keyboard warriors ......

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Not just keyboard warriors unfortunately. Clashes between indy supporters and Unionists tonight in George Square :(

Unionists thugs saluting Nazi style :shocked:

Right in front of a war memorial too. Such respect.:mad:

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From Twitter

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/09/18.jpg

this is the level , the worst **** in scotland are stooping to.

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Got a feeling there will be a stabbing or 2 in Glasgow tonight.

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I didn't realise there was a scale of scummery:rolleyes:

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Is that yes voters burning the union flag?

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As much as it annoys me someone burning the union flag this is a storm in a teacup, these **** suckers should lose with dignity , shows the world what sort of person wanted independence in the first place, I have a feeling if the tables were turned and they had independence there would
Be none of this child's play .

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They're just emulating myriad pathetic nutters from around the globe who go around burning flags and think it's big. They'll be chucking shoes around next. :D

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Scottish Muslims ?

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According to a friend there has been one outside Queen Street station.

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I think it's a twitter rumour- hopefully.
Police have no reports of any stabbings. Racist and bigoted chants, fascist salutes and saltire burning but no stabbings.

Celebration of the successful BT campaign hijacked by Scotland's shame.

That's them in celebratory mood :shocked:

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There's totally no need. What a shambles.

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What about the union flag being burned, any comment on that?

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So Alex Salmond was right after all, Scotland CAN still use the pound after September 18th :D

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First broken promise of the new 'era' then.

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Westminster better deliver on the new powers pronto. Forget all to the politics. The rest of the UK can be addressed after this powers are timetabled and on course though Parliament. The damage that would be done by going back on it now would be immense.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...itics-29289035

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The unfortunate reality is that this "pledge" or "vow" - which appeared first on the front page of a newspaper - was not based on any existing party policy but is a supposed committment of three individual political party leaders acting in concert.

From the Indy.

Scottish referendum results: Cross-party consensus collapses amid Tory-Labour spat on the 'English question'

"Some Conservative MPs, who want the Prime Minister to go further by setting up an English Parliament, threatened to vote against extra powers for the Scottish Parliament unless he beefs up his proposals for England."

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....sucked a lot of people in.

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Is that supposed to me in some way defend the ugly side of British nationalism? How pathetic!

I didn't vote no so that the neanderthal racists could drag the reputation of my city through the gutter after the fantastic PR we achieved during the Commonwealth Games.
I'll condemn any flag burning. I haven't noticed any reports of union flag burning from last night -so don't even know if that's a real image or it is from last night. I certainly wouldn't defend it, neither would I use at as a defence for the ugly side of British nationalism.
The images that I know to be real are from people I know and trust. One of them was an active NO campaigner. He was disgusted. As well as the usual anti-Irish rhetoric, there were chants of "no black in the Union Jack", and God save the Queen was accompanied by nazi salutes.

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.... I suspect that my fears of a massive increase in Scottish nationalism are about to be realised.:(

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I very much doubt we will see as large a participation in the next election if they don't come up with something that grabs attention..mind my usual cynical persona wouldn't trust any of the present leaders of any party to tell the truth anyway.

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It's not. It's from some demo in 2012 or thereabouts.

From my understanding the main instigators last night were a combination of SDL and other knuckle draggers who would have had a barney with each other if the Yes camp wasn't there.

No doubt a fair number of doors will be getting rattled some Friday morning in a few weeks.

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Derek, I imagine you suffered the mother of all celebratory hangovers... ;)

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Yes campaigners were burning Union Flags a couple of years ago? What a lovely country I live in :(

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Too busy with overtime :D Kerchang

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It was taken by Andy Buchanan on Thursday 18th 2014 in George Square.

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Thank you

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Was it posed or genuine?

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Not at all, I abhor violence in any form, I just found it strange that you never commented on the Union Flag being set alight even though you did indeed see that image.

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The editorial reference states.

"Pro-Independence supporters attempt to burn to (sic) a Union Flag in George Square, Glasgow, Scotland, on September 18, 2014, during a referendum on Scottish independence."

Whether Mr Buchanan sought to stage the event or not is a matter you might wish to take up / clarify with him.

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I still believe it will happen.

However the pubic pressure on the Government needs to happen right away and across the UK. Cameron, Miliband and Clegg all promised this would happen and there were no clauses given on those powers being transferred. English votes for English laws is a good idea but needs to happen separately from these powers being transferred if it's going to cause a problem.

I think the consequences of not doing so would be pretty bad and include another referendum in just years.

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Totally agree, I just wonder how many No voters would have voted Yes if there were no further powers for Scotland.

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I admire your optimism Damien but the facts of the matter are that the three main party leaders (at least one of whom has form for pledge dishonesty) with no political mandate or legislative policy affording them the right to do so, supposedly "signed up to" a "pledge".

As far as I am aware there was no grand televised theatric public signing, no detail of exactly what they were pledging / vowing to do (ironic, given that their main criticism of the opponent campaign was that of uncertainty) and now we are seeing the splits appear in their own respective camps. I mentioned several times during the course of this thread the fact that the Edinburgh Agreement would require all of its signatories to debate, negotiate and agree everything after the outcome of the referendum no matter what the outcome. If I recall correctly you dismissed that as being largely irrelevant.

Given that position I'm surprised, to say the least, that you're now hoping to hold messrs Cameron, Clegg and Miliband to their word on the basis of what appears to be little more than a note scribbled in haste on the back of a fag packet and published on the front page of a newspaper in an attempt (successful at that) to make Scottish voters think they were being offered anything beyond that which they might achieve under any Edinburgh Agreement negotiations.

All things considered it was a master stroke on their part and people fell for it.

Where this might lead is anyones guess but certainly any trust that previously existed has been stretched beyond the pale.

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I didn't comment on that because of the context it was posted in.

It did seem strange to post that without condemning the hijacking of an event by racist bigots.

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Thanks Mr A.

Not that I think for a minute that there aren't Nationalist ar$eholes capable of burning the Union Jack, that just looked a little framed for the camera.

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Fair enough, I never heard any "racist" stuff, but there are bigots on both sides, and that should be stamped out, no time for that *****.

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Wouldn't it be best to actually see if the extra powers promised to Scotland materialise before slating everyone involved?

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Yes I agree with you, it's early days.

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It's the sudden lack of clarity that bothers me. The Government made a promise to Scotland and they should keep it to the timetable agreed. Any perceived movement of the goal posts needs to be condemned quickly.

There are a lot of people unhappy in Scotland. We need to help things get back to normal and it won't be helped by a perception that the party leaders are going back on their promises one day after the vote.

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I think you're being too brutal here. I am unhappy with the suddenly ambiguity but we're a long away from this being 'done'. For example Brown has confirmed that the motion in the leaflet Russ posted has been signed and will be presented to Parliament on Monday. They haven't completely dismissed their promises yet.

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I really don't understand the negativity. It's not even a day and a half since the results were announced. At this point in time, nobody can say that what's promised won't be delivered, nobody :confused:

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I take your point Damien, completely.

However, for Brown to refer to himself and the others variously as "promise makers" and "promise keepers" in this context does not bode well. Anyone with access to Google and / or a modicum of interest in UK politics would have good cause to be worried at such accolades being bandied about.

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The negativity is probably because the first part of the much publicised, front page vow has already been broken.:

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Is that an official Better Together quote? I don't recall the timetable being described that way. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...don-Brown.html

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It's the wording of the Vow signed by Cameron, Milliband and Clegg

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That's not the wording though. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1411219286

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Why is Gordon Brown running making speeches as if he is running the country? His party isn't even in power. He had hidden away from everyone including his own constituency and all of a sudden he's making claims he will do x and y will be delivered.

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It was a stupid thing to promise and cannot be carried out without support within Westminster who will now be looking to the next general election where the majority of the population get a say.

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Well for me it's more the disagreement between Cameron and Miliband. I don't think that image is that big a deal as the motion goes to Parliament on Monday.

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If they do not deliver on their promises could the SNP demand a re-vote?

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Nah. Broken promises, especially ones that ain't been broken yet, are definitely not a valid reason for a re-vote ;) Every election that's ever happened would be null and void if that were the case.

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Exactly, who put Brown in charge?

Oh wait no-one.

I bet Milliband is chuffed that Browns Speech this morning got more air time than his.

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I think the three party leaders did in conjunction with Better Together as they're all hated and Darling was damaged from the 2nd debate.

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Scottish Greens are reporting 2000 new members have signed up since Friday. SNP claiming 4000 new members.

Scottish Labour; not so much ;)

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Cameron caught on camera saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le5gN9VarMg

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I see Wales are not interested in Independance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29331475

only 3% polled would want it. 49% would want more powers.