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ellie 23-04-2006 22:58

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Originally Posted by Druchii
Sheffield Wednesday, supported them since i was about 5.

Gone downhill sadly, but one day.. We shall arise once more.. haha.

Well at least so far you have risen a league above forest ;)

nffc 23-04-2006 23:18

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Originally Posted by Druchii
Sheffield Wednesday, supported them since i was about 5.

Gone downhill sadly, but one day.. We shall arise once more.. haha.

Well at least so far you have risen a league above forest ;)

Not for long though.

me283 23-04-2006 23:26

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Originally Posted by Chimaera
Ah - you've seen the pubs round here then? :ninja: :sniper: :bsmack:
Back on topic then - I'd love to see West Ham win - but I'm not putting any money on it! ;)

Just wanted to say, as a fellow Hammers fan... YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DID IT!!! Pity we won't be playing against Chelsea in the final, that would have been fun. But we are there, and next year it's "Europe here we come"!!

Well done Pards and the boys!!

smicer07 23-04-2006 23:40

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See you in Cardiff. Getting fed up of going there ;)

Russ 24-04-2006 00:15

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Originally Posted by nffc
Well how can you? Not that there's much chance but what happens when Swansea play ManU?

You've asked me both questions loads of times in the past and I've answered you on each occasion.

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Originally Posted by smicer07
See you in Cardiff. Getting fed up of going there ;)

Erm....not suggesting that scouse schools have faulty geography lessons or anything but if you're in Liverpool, you'd be going down to Cardiff.....

Druchii 24-04-2006 00:30

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You've asked me both questions loads of times in the past and I've answered you on each occasion. ---------- Post added at 23:15 ---------- Previous post was at 23:14 ---------- Erm....not suggesting that scouse schools have faulty geography lessons or anything but if you're in Liverpool, you'd be going down to Cardiff.....

And how's the English coming along in Port Talbot ?

He never mentioned going "up to" Cardiff at all. ;)

Russ 24-04-2006 00:34

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Ach I'm tired - and I'm so used to making fun of scousers that it's becoming a habit, I mean they DO leave themselves so wide open...:D

pedantic 24-04-2006 01:32

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Originally Posted by smicer07
See you in Cardiff. Getting fed up of going there ;)

Your record in FA cup finals is 6 wins and 6 losses though, hardly makes great reading........... come on you irons ! :D

sherer 24-04-2006 11:20

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anyone got the dates for the play offs games for the championship and when the final will be ?

orangebird 24-04-2006 11:26

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Originally Posted by gazzae
I cracked up earlier...

Interviewer - "What's your opinion on the goal. Should the ball have been put out of play?"
Martin Jol - "I don't know I didn't see it."

Interviewer - "What did you think of the Spurs goal? Martin Jol said he didn't see it?"
Arsene Wenger - "How could he not see it when he's sitting on the bench right in front of it?"

Hopefully someone will ask Wenger that next time he uses the "didn't see it" excuse.

Martin Jol is due a great big fat apology from Wenger. What an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.

Timeless Stew 24-04-2006 11:46

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Originally Posted by orangebird
Martin Jol is due a great big fat apology from Wenger. What an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.

Nope, it's the other way around OB...

gazzae 24-04-2006 11:50

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Originally Posted by Timeless Stew
Nope, it's the other way around OB...

Why? Wenger is famous for the "I didn't see it" excuse when it involves his players.

TheDaddy 24-04-2006 12:19

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Funny I thought he was famous for re-playing a match with Sheff Utd when the same sort of incident occured.

sherer 24-04-2006 12:35

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Funny I thought he was famous for re-playing a match with Sheff Utd when the same sort of incident occured.

the two incidents are entirely different.. the Sheff United one the ball had already gone out of play and the ball should have gone back to Sheff so they could have possession they didn;t and scored when Sheff weren't even playing and had stopped expecting the ball to come back to them

The one on Sat was Eboue pretending to be injured. the game was still going on and no one had stopped playing.. what treatment did Eboue get.. some water on him if that ? he was never injured and it was gamesmanship on his part to get the game stopped for a non-existant injury

i'm fed up with all this kicking the ball out all the time when we all know none of them are injured.. the fact that Eboue managed to play the rest of the game shows he was never even hurt and was cheating

orangebird 24-04-2006 13:35

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Originally Posted by Timeless Stew
Nope, it's the other way around OB...

no, Wenger called Jol a liar. On live television. Jol deserves an apology. Arsenal wouldn't have given a **** about men on the ground if spurs hadn't been close to scoring a goal. And if you watch the reruns, one the blokes got up, then realised they could try and scupper spurs chance at goal and got back on the floor again!!!! Cheating bloody *******s. And it wouldn't have been so bloody bad if it had been a spurs playing fouling an ****-nel player, but it wasn't!!!!!!! The bloody idiots ran into each other, their own team players!!!! :confused: :mad: bunch of dick heads. :rolleyes:

gazzae 24-04-2006 15:38

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Funny I thought he was famous for re-playing a match with Sheff Utd when the same sort of incident occured.

As Sherer says a totally different incident. The players were standing around waiting for Arsenal to return the ball to the keeper when they took the throw in to themselves and scored an easy goal.

Maybe Wegner should remind himself about the FA cup semi against Sheffield Utd. A Utd player was down after a tackle from Campbell, Arsenal went on the attack and just as Tonge was about to intercept a pass he was knocked over by the ref, Poll. So with two Utd players on the ground Arsenal scored and won 1-0.

Timeless Stew 24-04-2006 16:27

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Originally Posted by orangebird
no, Wenger called Jol a liar. On live television. Jol deserves an apology. Arsenal wouldn't have given a **** about men on the ground if spurs hadn't been close to scoring a goal. And if you watch the reruns, one the blokes got up, then realised they could try and scupper spurs chance at goal and got back on the floor again!!!! Cheating bloody *******s. And it wouldn't have been so bloody bad if it had been a spurs playing fouling an ****-nel player, but it wasn't!!!!!!! The bloody idiots ran into each other, their own team players!!!! :confused: :mad: bunch of dick heads. :rolleyes:

OB you are correct. Jol did not see the incident -just saw the video. AW must apologize.

orangebird 24-04-2006 16:50

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Originally Posted by Timeless Stew
OB you are correct. Jol did not see the incident -just saw the video. AW must apologize.

Indeed. It was quite funny watching AW and MJ squaring up to each other. I know who I'd back in a fight, and I can tell you now, it's not the skinny french one.

nffc 24-04-2006 17:06

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Jol should sue for slander, love to see the scrawny french git try and grovel out of it.

ellie 24-04-2006 22:21

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Originally Posted by sherer
anyone got the dates for the play offs games for the championship and when the final will be ?

First legs:

FRIDAY 5th May - 6th placed team vs. 3rd placed team

SATURDAY 6th May - 5th placed team vs. 4th placed team

Second Legs:

MONDAY 8th May - 3rd placed team vs. 6th placed team

TUESDAY 9th May - 4th placed team vs. 5th placed team


Final: Sunday 21st May


:cleader: C'MON PALACE!!:cleader:

Russ 25-04-2006 00:07

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Glazier suffers a stroke: link.

sherer 25-04-2006 11:59

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Originally Posted by ellie
First legs:

FRIDAY 5th May - 6th placed team vs. 3rd placed team

SATURDAY 6th May - 5th placed team vs. 4th placed team

Second Legs:

MONDAY 8th May - 3rd placed team vs. 6th placed team

TUESDAY 9th May - 4th placed team vs. 5th placed team


Final: Sunday 21st May


:cleader: C'MON PALACE!!:cleader:

thanks for that.. already managed to find them by then.. hoping I can see us get promoted in Cardiff just like when we beat West Ham the other year

sir_drinks_alot 25-04-2006 13:29

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Right where's the thing if torquay win than it comes down to the last Game on Sunday i really could not stand that at all. but if thay lose tonight We stay up for other season pry thay lose guys. !

Nugget 25-04-2006 13:30

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Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot
Right where's the thing if torquay win than it comes down to the last Game on Sunday i really could not stand that at all. but if thay lose tonight We stay up for other season pry thay lose guys. !

C'mon Torquay!!

:PP:

sir_drinks_alot 25-04-2006 13:35

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Originally Posted by Nugget
C'mon Torquay!!

:PP:

:D In a sick sort of way i what it to come down to the last day at if not for the Nerve jangling excitement of it all.!

yesman 25-04-2006 23:44

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Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot
:D In a sick sort of way i what it to come down to the last day at if not for the Nerve jangling excitement of it all.!

Well, you are half way there :D
Torquay 4-0 Stockport

sir_drinks_alot 26-04-2006 02:17

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Originally Posted by yesman
Well, you are half way there :D
Torquay 4-0 Stockport



one more goal and thay Would be above us god i'm going to be a Nerves body of jally for the next faw weeks. i know we have it in are selfs to win
Games the team just have to let it shine. !

iadom 27-04-2006 21:28

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Not the best of starts from Boro, two-nil down in under 25 minutes.:(

ITV 4 before you ask ;)

yesman 27-04-2006 21:57

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Originally Posted by iadom
Not the best of starts from Boro, two-nil down in under 25 minutes.:(

ITV 4 before you ask ;)

2 -1 now, can they pull it off again ?

iadom 27-04-2006 22:16

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How on earth did that Romanian defender get away without even a free kick. He caught Boateng, who is no midget, on the top of the head with his boot.:disturbd:

Russ 27-04-2006 22:35

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:eek:

What's going on?????

iadom 27-04-2006 22:35

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Originally Posted by yesman
2 -1 now, can they pull it off again ?

You had better believe it, 3-2 to Boro now. Cracking game again.:)

Russ 27-04-2006 22:53

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What a game!!!!

yesman 27-04-2006 23:11

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Well done boro' once again :tu:

sir_drinks_alot 27-04-2006 23:15

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Two Euro cup finals two English clubs in tham have it ! lets see if england can make it 3 ! :D :D :D :tu: :tu: :D :)

iadom 28-04-2006 00:32

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Did anyone else see this cheeky little blighter.

brat

Russ 28-04-2006 00:35

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Yes, I saw it earlier on in the thread ;)

iadom 28-04-2006 00:39

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Sorry, well what about Riise falling for the old chewing gum trick.
gotcha

Russ 29-04-2006 22:55

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So there it is, Chelsea show that the title really can be bought. Jose's a good manager but everyone (well, apart from Jose himself) knows they wouldn't have won it without the Russian's millions.

I really do think there should be a cap on how much a team can spend in one season otherwise the sport is removed from football altogether.

It really doesn't feel right to have Chelsea as champions after all, when you think of the Premiership, you think of Man United, seeing as we've won it more than anyone else.

Still, a new keeper and quality forward to replace RVN and the trophy will come home next year.

Mal 29-04-2006 23:03

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Originally Posted by Russ D
So there it is, Chelsea show that the title really can be bought. Jose's a good manager but everyone (well, apart from Jose himself) knows they wouldn't have won it without the Russian's millions.

I really do think there should be a cap on how much a team can spend in one season otherwise the sport is removed from football altogether.

It really doesn't feel right to have Chelsea as champions after all, when you think of the Premiership, you think of Man United, seeing as we've won it more than anyone else.

Come on now Russ, congrats to Chelsea for winning the title :) Our form was patchy at times.

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Still, a new keeper and quality forward to replace RVN and the trophy will come home next year.

I think we need a holding midfielder to replace Keane, more than we need a new keeper. Fletcher is cr*p and everyone else who played there, were played out of position.

sir_drinks_alot 29-04-2006 23:05

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:(

Russ 29-04-2006 23:06

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Originally Posted by Mal
Come on now Russ, congrats to Chelsea for winning the title :) Our form was patchy at times.

Sorry, my mistake!

Congrats to Roman on buying the title :D

Their form wasn't the best either, a lot of their results were VERY lucky.

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Originally Posted by Mal
I think we need a holding midfielder to replace Keane, more than we need a new keeper. Fletcher is cr*p and everyone else who played there, were played out of position.

SAF has got his eye on 2 new replacements apparently.

Druchii 29-04-2006 23:12

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Sorry, my mistake! Congrats to Roman on buying the title :D Their form wasn't the best either, a lot of their results were VERY lucky. SAF has got his eye on 2 new replacements apparently.

Ahhh... A bitter Man U fan...

Reminds me of the Wednesday/blades rivalry :P

Russ 29-04-2006 23:14

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Yeah too right I'm bitter - United went 25 years without a league title and we won it with hard graft and a second-to-none youth policy.

Chelsea don't get close to being a quality side in 50 years and as soon as £150 million gets pumped in, what a surprise - they win the premiership twice!

Wouldn't you be bitter?

Mal 29-04-2006 23:18

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Originally Posted by Druchii
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Originally Posted by Russ D
Sorry, my mistake! Congrats to Roman on buying the title :D Their form wasn't the best either, a lot of their results were VERY lucky. SAF has got his eye on 2 new replacements apparently.

Ahhh... A bitter Man U fan...

Reminds me of the Wednesday/blades rivalry :P

I'm not bitter :p: Wednesday/Blades - who are they? ;)

I just don't think that we did enough to win it this year. You cannot stroll through to the title and you need the "luck" in some games.

Druchii 29-04-2006 23:33

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Yeah too right I'm bitter - United went 25 years without a league title and we won it with hard graft and a second-to-none youth policy. Chelsea don't get close to being a quality side in 50 years and as soon as £150 million gets pumped in, what a surprise - they win the premiership twice! Wouldn't you be bitter?

No point in being bitter, at the end of the day the best "team" won. But, you've got to think, this team will most likely fall apart as ego's get inn the way, weheras the Man U team will probably be much better.

nffc 30-04-2006 01:07

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Sorry, my mistake! Congrats to Roman on buying the title :D Their form wasn't the best either, a lot of their results were VERY lucky. SAF has got his eye on 2 new replacements apparently.

Ahhh... A bitter Man U fan...

Reminds me of the Wednesday/blades rivalry :P

I still don't understand which of you is the Pigs? Weds fans call Blades the Pigs, Blades fans call Weds the Pigs... personally I hate both, but Blades more because of NW and the Playoffs (C.h.e.a.t.i.n.g. Kabba) also any Notts/Yorks thing is always likely to be volatile - before our time, I believe it comes from the miners' strike. But when you get the requisite groups of fifteen year old chavvy "fans" calling each other scabs...

Congrats to Chelsea anyway. (Can't we have Wingdings, please?) 3-0 3-0. :)

Druchii 30-04-2006 01:09

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Originally Posted by nffc
I still don't understand which of you is the Pigs? Weds fans call Blades the Pigs, Blades fans call Weds the Pigs... personally I hate both, but Blades more because of NW and the Playoffs (C.h.e.a.t.i.n.g. Kabba) also any Notts/Yorks thing is always likely to be volatile - before our time, I believe it comes from the miners' strike. But when you get the requisite groups of fifteen year old chavvy "fans" calling each other scabs... Congrats to Chelsea anyway. (Can't we have Wingdings, please?) 3-0 3-0. :)

Blades are the pigs, originally. the red and white stripes = bacon ;)

nffc 30-04-2006 01:13

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Originally Posted by Druchii
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Yeah too right I'm bitter - United went 25 years without a league title and we won it with hard graft and a second-to-none youth policy. Chelsea don't get close to being a quality side in 50 years and as soon as £150 million gets pumped in, what a surprise - they win the premiership twice! Wouldn't you be bitter?

No point in being bitter, at the end of the day the best "team" won. But, you've got to think, this team will most likely fall apart as ego's get inn the way, weheras the Man U team will probably be much better.

It's over 38 not 1 anyway. Chelsea will stay together because JM is bigger than the lot of them and will insist on it. (He reminds me so much of Brian Clough).

United in any other season will have won the league. Chelsea have been nigh-on invincible and Utd haven't been miles behind.

Yes Chelsea have spent but that's to get the immediate results. A lot of money has been invested in the Academy which means they will need to buy less as this becomes more important. And United have spent a lot on players in the past, 3.6m on Keane (a record at the time) for example as well as losing out on Shearer who decided to go Newcastle because he supported them. Recent acquisitions of Ferdinand, Rooney et al didn't come cheap either.

The only difference is that Chelsea have spent a lot, at once, rather than over time. Which really makes it harder for all the new players to gel at once, needing even better management to get results. Look at Newcastle.

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I still don't understand which of you is the Pigs? Weds fans call Blades the Pigs, Blades fans call Weds the Pigs... personally I hate both, but Blades more because of NW and the Playoffs (C.h.e.a.t.i.n.g. Kabba) also any Notts/Yorks thing is always likely to be volatile - before our time, I believe it comes from the miners' strike. But when you get the requisite groups of fifteen year old chavvy "fans" calling each other scabs... Congrats to Chelsea anyway. (Can't we have Wingdings, please?) 3-0 3-0. :)

Blades are the pigs, originally. the red and white stripes = bacon ;)

What's the history then? Or are the Bl*nts really unoriginal?

Forest hate Sheff U even more after the last few seasons! Almost as much as Derby :o

sir_drinks_alot 30-04-2006 11:41

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It's not over until Jeff Stelling say "and oxford have been Relegated" anyway i'm hopeing for WBA sort of escape.

Chrysalis 30-04-2006 11:42

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Originally Posted by Russ D
So there it is, Chelsea show that the title really can be bought. Jose's a good manager but everyone (well, apart from Jose himself) knows they wouldn't have won it without the Russian's millions.

I really do think there should be a cap on how much a team can spend in one season otherwise the sport is removed from football altogether.

It really doesn't feel right to have Chelsea as champions after all, when you think of the Premiership, you think of Man United, seeing as we've won it more than anyone else.

Still, a new keeper and quality forward to replace RVN and the trophy will come home next year.

Any cap would affect man u as well, although you may deny it they spend big as well. The money was their before mourinho joined so putting all the credit on money is just been sore in defeat.

Russ 30-04-2006 11:44

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Any cap would affect man u as well, although you may deny it they spend big as well. The money was their before mourinho joined so putting all the credit on money is just been sore in defeat.

Have we spent the same amount as Chelsea?

Have we ever gone out and bought ourselves the title?

Chrysalis 30-04-2006 11:56

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yeah I would say you have, the first title you won without spending massive although you did still spend above the average, prising players away from other top division teams presumably you was able to offer keane and cantona superior wages to their previous clubs.

Then after the first title you started spending bigger and bigger and like nffc said if you the only difference between you and chelsea is your spending has been sustained over a number of years whilst chelsea brought a bunch of players in one go. Look at your current squad and you telling me it cost significantly less then chelsea's to build?

Russ 30-04-2006 12:15

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yeah I would say you have, the first title you won without spending massive although you did still spend above the average, prising players away from other top division teams presumably you was able to offer keane and cantona superior wages to their previous clubs.

Today, if a club is interested in a player and Chelsea has also shown an interest, where do you think he'll end up? It was never that way with United. Shearer, Ronaldinho, there have been plenty of players who United wanted but lost out to to other clubs.

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Then after the first title you started spending bigger and bigger and like nffc said if you the only difference between you and chelsea is your spending has been sustained over a number of years whilst chelsea brought a bunch of players in one go.

And I'm not against spending over greater lengths of time. Chelsea buying up all the best players over 2 years is what bought them success.

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Look at your current squad and you telling me it cost significantly less then chelsea's to build?

Too right!

And the money we've spent, has it bought us the title?

pedantic 30-04-2006 12:29

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yeah I would say you have, the first title you won without spending massive although you did still spend above the average, prising players away from other top division teams presumably you was able to offer keane and cantona superior wages to their previous clubs.

You presume wrongly I'm afraid ! Keane had the choice of Arsenal or Blackburn, maybe not the case with Arsenal, but certainly Blackburn could have offered significantly more wages than Man U. And Cantona wasn't getting regular team football with Leeds. so chose to play elsewhere.

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Then after the first title you started spending bigger and bigger and like nffc said if you the only difference between you and chelsea is your spending has been sustained over a number of years whilst chelsea brought a bunch of players in one go. Look at your current squad and you telling me it cost significantly less then chelsea's to build?

True enough, but the thing is that Man U have raised their money through good marketing over the years and hefty season ticket sales. I personally don't begrudge Chelsea their success, they have been the best team over the last 2 seasons, by some margin. Despite the wealth of Man U, there is no way Man U can spend huge amounts of money in 1 season, the shareholders would not let that happen. It's the fact that a sugar daddy has piled in so much money in such a short space of time that annoys supporters (not just Man U fans). The same thing happened in 1995, when Jack Walker did exactly the same at Blackburn. The majority of football supporters accept that the "big clubs" will have enough financial clout to buy the better players, but it's the "sugar daddies" that cause the discontent amongst football fans. It's not that they spend big, it's that they spend big with funds not generated through the good running of the football club in question. It takes time, to make a club successful financially via good marketing. People like Roman Abramovich, and Jack Walker, make a mockery out of good financial management of the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, to name just a few. If a team is successful by buying players with cash generated through good financial running of a football club, then good luck to them imho.

Chrysalis 30-04-2006 16:52

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So rooney would have left everton for any other club, smith had no other options other then man u, saha leaving fulham.

Denial of something that is true, players have chosen man u over other clubs numerous times, before chelsea rose up man u was the dominant club where players wanted to be in england. You talking like you are on the same level as bolton, charlton, maybe newcastle and arsenal but you are not you have a higher financial level then the rest of the premiership and was unmatched for a number of years until chelsea got brought.

Russ 30-04-2006 17:02

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So rooney would have left everton for any other club, smith had no other options other then man u, saha leaving fulham.

I'm sorry but have you actually read anything I've said? Rooney, Smith and Saha went to United because they wanted to. What's that got to do with Chelsea being able to out-bid and buy just about any player they want? United have never had that kind of power.

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You talking like you are on the same level as bolton, charlton, maybe newcastle and arsenal but you are not you have a higher financial level then the rest of the premiership and was unmatched for a number of years until chelsea got brought.

Now I KNOW you're having a laugh - ever heard of a man called Malcome Glazier? Heard how much debt he's put United in?

Higher financial level than the rest of the premiership?????? :rofl:

TheDaddy 30-04-2006 23:56

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If you ask me Sir Alex is glad Malcome Glazer took over, if it was still a plc he may well have been asked to step down.
Also I think the other so called challengers should consider how hard it will be to win the title if Mourinho ever gets it right in the transfer market, bought the title, wasted tens of millions more like, every Chelsea player who is any good was there before he arrived with the exception of Carvalho and Ferria and even they were vastly over priced.

Chrysalis 01-05-2006 09:41

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did mourinho bring in lampard and cole or were they already there? I cant remember if they came the year before mourinho or the same year.

russ d thats exactly my point, so many players simply want to play for man u because of their status and history so when it comes down to a player chossing between man u and another "english" club more often then not they choose man u or were before chelsea got to where they are now.

yesman 01-05-2006 11:02

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Any Chelsea fans here ?

Memorabilia chance at a snip I might add :rolleyes:

It doesn't seem like the real thing to me, but I could be wrong.

Link

Russ 01-05-2006 11:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
did mourinho bring in lampard and cole or were they already there? I cant remember if they came the year before mourinho or the same year.

russ d thats exactly my point, so many players simply want to play for man u because of their status and history so when it comes down to a player chossing between man u and another "english" club more often then not they choose man u or were before chelsea got to where they are now.

Do you think Jose would have come to Chelsea if they didn't have the millions?

TheDaddy 01-05-2006 12:00

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Apparently he was of to Liverpool before Chelsea came calling

Charlie_Bubble 01-05-2006 12:44

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Apparently he was of to Liverpool before Chelsea came calling

Personally I'm glad he didn't go to Liverpool. I think that on a level playing field Benitez is a better manager than Mourinho. It's easy for an above average manager to appear to be a great manager with the money Chelsea have.

nffc 01-05-2006 13:04

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Originally Posted by Charlie_Bubble
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Apparently he was of to Liverpool before Chelsea came calling

Personally I'm glad he didn't go to Liverpool. I think that on a level playing field Benitez is a better manager than Mourinho. It's easy for an above average manager to appear to be a great manager with the money Chelsea have.

But not to win the European Cup with Porto, and the Portuguese league at whoever he was at before.

It's all very well demeaning his achievements at Chelsea because of the resources but teams have spent and not achieved anything (like Newcastle) as well as Mourinho having a history of shock wins, using the best he has, etc.

Whereas all Benitez has done is spend on spanish and south americans at Valencia and Liverpool. And only has one trophy win to Mourinho's three.

TheDaddy 01-05-2006 13:51

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The point here is not so much who is the better manager it is more who has the easier job, Chelsea, as Jose has shown can afford to waste millions, they can buy players just because other teams want them.
Personaly I think it will all get very interesting over the coming months, there are already press rumours that the Chelsea board are not happy with his signings or the way that the team plays.

Charlie_Bubble 01-05-2006 15:23

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Originally Posted by nffc
But not to win the European Cup with Porto, and the Portuguese league at whoever he was at before.

It's all very well demeaning his achievements at Chelsea because of the resources but teams have spent and not achieved anything (like Newcastle) as well as Mourinho having a history of shock wins, using the best he has, etc.

Whereas all Benitez has done is spend on spanish and south americans at Valencia and Liverpool. And only has one trophy win to Mourinho's three.

I'm not demeaning his achievements at Chelsea, I'm saying it is easier to achieve things when you have all the money possible to buy whoever is available at any price. I'm not sure how you can accuse me of this and then go on to demean Benitez's achievements in the next paragraph. To win the Spanish league twice and the UEFA cup with a team other than the top 2 Spanish teams is not exactly a bad record, despite you rubbishing it, arguably harder than winning the Portuguese league.

Chrysalis 01-05-2006 19:25

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sigh I give up, if you think any manager can win 2 premiership titles in a row just because of large budget then you seriously under estimate the diffilculty of management. jose is a good manager, sorry but its a fact he may be a sore loser but their is no denying he is good at his job.

when porto beat man u in the champions league which team cost more money to assemble?

iadom 01-05-2006 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
sigh I give up, if you think any manager can win 2 premiership titles in a row just because of large budget then you seriously under estimate the diffilculty of management. jose is a good manager, sorry but its a fact he may be a sore loser but their is no denying he is good at his job.

when porto beat man u in the champions league which team cost more money to assemble?

Porto didn't 'legally ' beat United, they won on away goals after a linesman disallowed a perfectly good, legal goal from Paul Scholes, but for that myopic fool Jose would possibly still be at Porto along with Diddling Dogbreath.

Russ 01-05-2006 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
sigh I give up, if you think any manager can win 2 premiership titles in a row just because of large budget then you seriously under estimate the diffilculty of management. jose is a good manager, sorry but its a fact he may be a sore loser but their is no denying he is good at his job.

No-one is saying he's not a good manager but do you think he'd have still gone to Chelsea if the russian hadn't been there?

TigaSefi 01-05-2006 20:20

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Benitez is just as good if not better that Maureen thanks, I am glad we don't have gobby at our place ;) COME ON BORO!!! ;)

yesman 01-05-2006 23:38

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Ruud van Nistelrooy :mad: missed a second half penalty as Manchester United delivered another lacklustre performance in drawing 0-0 with Middlesbrough at Old Trafford.

Quote:

United hemmed Middlesbrough in their own half for much of the last 10 minutes, but never truly threatened a winner, and The Red Devils must now rediscover their scoring touch to hold off Liverpool for second spot.
Sky Sports

TheDaddy 01-05-2006 23:45

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I can't remember if I saw it on teletext or the paper but it looks like AC Milan have sounded Rudd Van Nistelrooy out about a move there, what do you think Shevchenko to Chelsea then?

Russ 01-05-2006 23:52

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The sooner we get rid of RVN the better. I said this after last season's FA Cup final and my view hasn't changed.

ellie 01-05-2006 23:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
sigh I give up, if you think any manager can win 2 premiership titles in a row just because of large budget then you seriously under estimate the diffilculty of management. jose is a good manager, sorry but its a fact he may be a sore loser but their is no denying he is good at his job.

when porto beat man u in the champions league which team cost more money to assemble?

C'mon do you REALLY believe he would of won two premiership titles (in a row) if he had no money to buy the team he wanted? Yes he may be good at his job but not that good ;)

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 00:15

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Originally Posted by ellie
C'mon do you REALLY believe he would of won two premiership titles (in a row) if he had no money to buy the team he wanted? Yes he may be good at his job but not that good ;)

Probably because all his best players were already there Cech, Gallas, Terry, Makalale, Lampard, Duff, Robben, Gudjohnson, Crespo, and Cole for instance.

ellie 02-05-2006 00:21

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Probably because all his best players were already there Cech, Gallas, Terry, Makalale, Lampard, Duff, Robben, Gudjohnson, Crespo, and Cole for instance.

Yeah n money keeps them there

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 00:27

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Originally Posted by ellie
Yeah n money keeps them there

Indeed it does, but if he keeps wasting it there will come a time when even Roman Abramavich says enough is enough.

ellie 02-05-2006 00:30

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Indeed it does, but if he keeps wasting it there will come a time when even Roman Abramavich says enough is enough.

Well when Roman has had enough he better not come running to Palace :D ;)

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 00:34

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Originally Posted by ellie
Well when Roman has had enough he better not come running to Palace :D ;)

More likley to be Jose doing the running me thinks. Despite what I have said I do think he is a top quality manager, I don't know what it is though, he may have it to easy there.

ellie 02-05-2006 00:42

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
More likley to be Jose doing the running me thinks. Despite what I have said I do think he is a top quality manager, I don't know what it is though, he may have it to easy there.

Oh I dont want him either ..We'll stick with Dowie for now ;)

I do think Jose has a certain 'something' about him, I think he's pretty cool actually and he's real good in them tv adverts :D

sherer 02-05-2006 12:14

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Originally Posted by ellie
Oh I dont want him either ..We'll stick with Dowie for now ;)

well a few years ago we were linked with Colonel Gadafi :Yikes:

although I don't like what Roman has done at Chelsea i'm sure if someone pumped several million into Palace i wouldn't complain.. we might even get a decent stadium then :D

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been reading in the papers that even the players are saying without Rooney we can't win the WC this year.. says alot about how we view our prospects there :Yikes: :Yikes:

i reckon without Rooney and with Owen prob not fit either we should take AJ. he's the same sort of player as Owen and has his pace and skill and is far better than Crouch.. if we just have to rely on him we have no chance

will prob end up with Crouch, Defoe, Bent and if he fit Owen.. if Owen isn't fit AJ is the perfect shoe in for his role if Sven can see it

at least now the friendly games we have coming up will be interesting

Chrysalis 02-05-2006 13:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom
Porto didn't 'legally ' beat United, they won on away goals after a linesman disallowed a perfectly good, legal goal from Paul Scholes, but for that myopic fool Jose would possibly still be at Porto along with Diddling Dogbreath.

come on get over it.

---------- Post added at 11:59 ---------- Previous post was at 11:58 ----------

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Originally Posted by Russ D
No-one is saying he's not a good manager but do you think he'd have still gone to Chelsea if the russian hadn't been there?

probably not, but we cant know for sure.

Would chelsea have won those 2 titles with the russian? no because they probably would still have that italian manager.

If jose was at chelsea and didnt have the budget he has now would he have won the title twice? no idea, I think anyone trying to answer this is not seeing the full picture.

---------- Post added at 12:02 ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 ----------

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Originally Posted by ellie
Yeah n money keeps them there

same with man u and their players, if you was a villa fan or anyone else with a much lower wage bill I would believe you but considering a man u fan who do have the highest wage bill by the way I cannot see your point at all.

TigaSefi 02-05-2006 13:59

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Well done to Boro to reduce them to a single point!!! Now Come on Charlton!!!!

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 14:02

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Originally Posted by sherer
well a few years ago we were linked with Colonel Gadafi :Yikes:

---------- Post added at 11:14 ---------- Previous post was at 10:01 ----------

been reading in the papers that even the players are saying without Rooney we can't win the WC this year.. says alot about how we view our prospects there :Yikes: :Yikes:

i reckon without Rooney and with Owen prob not fit either we should take AJ. he's the same sort of player as Owen and has his pace and skill and is far better than Crouch.. if we just have to rely on him we have no chance

will prob end up with Crouch, Defoe, Bent and if he fit Owen.. if Owen isn't fit AJ is the perfect shoe in for his role if Sven can see it

at least now the friendly games we have coming up will be interesting

I agree it is disgusting that the players consider England a one man team there are world class players through out and they do themselves a dis-service by making comments like that, could you imagine a Brazillian saying that if Rohnaldiniho was out of course not and besides if we can't get past the likes of Paraguay, Sweden and Trinidad without Rooney then we don't deserve to win anything.

homealone 02-05-2006 14:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I agree it is disgusting that the players consider England a one man team there are world class players through out and they do themselves a dis-service by making comments like that, could you imagine a Brazillian saying that if Rohnaldiniho was out of course not and besides if we can't get past the likes of Paraguay, Sweden and Trinidad without Rooney then we don't deserve to win anything.

In my opinion it illustrates the lack of strength in depth in the England team, due to the large numbers of foreign players in the premiership.

Pretty much the same as Euro 2004, when Rooney didn't play, Beckham wasn't fit & we got knocked out by Portugal - who were beaten by Greece, in the final.

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 14:21

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Originally Posted by homealone
In my opinion it illustrates the lack of strength in depth in the England team, due to the large numbers of foreign players in the premiership.

Pretty much the same as Euro 2004, when Rooney didn't play, Beckham wasn't fit & we got knocked out by Portugal - who were beaten by Greece, in the final.

I just hope they get their minds right and aren't beaten before they have kicked a ball.

homealone 02-05-2006 14:29

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
I just hope they get their minds right and aren't beaten before they have kicked a ball.

true, but over confidence can be just as dangerous - at little self doubt may make them try harder ???

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 14:34

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Originally Posted by homealone
true, but over confidence can be just as dangerous - at little self doubt may make them try harder ???

Indeed, I was listening to the radio the other day and a pundit was asked about Sven's plan B now Rooney is out, he put forward the case for Peter Crouch and ended by saying that the one draw back to him is that the opposition know what to expect, I beg to differ a guy who is about nine foot tall and can't head the ball, that is the last thing they will be expecting.

sherer 02-05-2006 14:39

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read some comments from Gerrard saying without Rooney we don't have much chance which isn't the right attitude to take

anyone know the latest on Owen ? will he be able to make it

fraid i don't rate Crouch as he has no skill on the ground and can't head it either and at international level think most defences can cope with that easily..

at the moment we need Sven to try something out during the three friendlies we have coming up.. what we need is for Sven to have the team he wants to play in those matches but change the strikers around.. try playing Defoe and Crouch or AJ and Defoe.. it's pointless to change 10 players at HT as you don't get to see how the new faces fit in with the core of the team

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 15:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sherer
read some comments from Gerrard saying without Rooney we don't have much chance which isn't the right attitude to take

anyone know the latest on Owen ? will he be able to make it

fraid i don't rate Crouch as he has no skill on the ground and can't head it either and at international level think most defences can cope with that easily..

at the moment we need Sven to try something out during the three friendlies we have coming up.. what we need is for Sven to have the team he wants to play in those matches but change the strikers around.. try playing Defoe and Crouch or AJ and Defoe.. it's pointless to change 10 players at HT as you don't get to see how the new faces fit in with the core of the team

Apparently they don't want to take to many unfit players so it looks bleak for Owen.
Personally I would like to see Shaun Wright-Phillips given ago, I seem to remember Kieron Dyer play very well as a support striker and Shaun is even quicker and trickier than him, I think he and Defoe would scare teams as well as being a relative unknown quantity for foreign teams.

sherer 02-05-2006 15:50

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Apparently they don't want to take to many unfit players so it looks bleak for Owen.
Personally I would like to see Shaun Wright-Phillips given ago, I seem to remember Kieron Dyer play very well as a support striker and Shaun is even quicker and trickier than him, I think he and Defoe would scare teams as well as being a relative unknown quantity for foreign teams.

well as i said before if Owen can't go the perfect replacement would be Aj as they are very similar types of player and both offer pace and skill too something Crouch doesn't have.. would love to see AJ or Defoe tried out in the Owen role in the friendlies we have coming up

would like to see SWP as i'm not sure if some of the defences could handle him

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 16:00

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Originally Posted by sherer
well as i said before if Owen can't go the perfect replacement would be Aj as they are very similar types of player and both offer pace and skill too something Crouch doesn't have.. would love to see AJ or Defoe tried out in the Owen role in the friendlies we have coming up

would like to see SWP as i'm not sure if some of the defences could handle him

Really not sure if AJ is the answer, however if Darren Bent is good enough then he should be given another go, the problem is Owen has that little bit of extra class needed for the latter stages of a World Cup.
Also I have heard some hacks advocating on Theo Walcott's behalf, surley it is to soon for him?

sir_drinks_alot 02-05-2006 16:04

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Hay will this thread be closed sunday ?

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 16:06

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Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot
Hay will this thread be closed sunday ?

No still got the FA cup and play off's yet

Not to forget Arsenal and Middlesborugh's finals

sherer 02-05-2006 16:29

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Also I have heard some hacks advocating on Theo Walcott's behalf, surley it is to soon for him?

has he even played for Arsenal yet

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 16:48

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Originally Posted by sherer
has he even played for Arsenal yet

Exactley, I think he came on as a sub once hardley ideal preperation for a World Cup

sir_drinks_alot 02-05-2006 16:59

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
No still got the FA cup and play off's yet

Not to forget Arsenal and Middlesborugh's finals

I Thought those would get there own threads being the imported events they are :)

Anywhy back to the football someone on Another site worked out what oxford have to do to stay up

17 Bury 45 -12 52
18 Macclesfield 45 -12 51
19 Torquay 45 -13 51
20 Barnet 45 -14 51
21 Notts County 45 -15 51
22 Stockport 45 -21 51
------------------------------
23 Oxford Utd 45 -13 49
24 Rushden & D'monds 45 -31 45 (Relegated)

THE FIXTURES
Saturday, 06 May 2006
Bristol Rovers v Macclesfield, 15:00
Chester v Shrewsbury, 15:00
Darlington v Wrexham, 15:00
Grimsby v Northampton, 15:00
Lincoln City v Rochdale, 15:00
Mansfield v Cheltenham, 15:00
Notts County v Bury, 15:00
Oxford Utd v Leyton Orient, 15:00
Peterborough v Wycombe, 15:00
Rushden & D'monds v Barnet, 15:00
Stockport v Carlisle, 15:00
Torquay v Boston Utd, 15:00

THE COMPLICATIONS
In short, a defeat or draw will result in Oxford bowing out of the Football League to play in the Football Conference next season.

A win may not be enough either, but with 5 teams on 51 points and Bury on 52, they could yet be the ones that fall through the trapdoor and save Oxford.

Oxford's goal difference of -13 could well prove beneficial as most teams have goal differences very similar with the exception of Stockport. Their goal difference of -21 is at least 6 behind the next best goal difference which suggests that a draw might not be enough for them if Oxford win.

Likewise, if other teams draw whilst Oxford win, it could create a huge headache for the table compilers as we could end up with teams being tied on points and goal difference. In that case, we look at the goals scored column.

Bury 43
Macclesfield 57
Torquay 53
Barnet 42
Notts County 46
Stockport 57
Oxford 41

Scoring goals has been Oxford's weakest link this season. Most teams with the exception of Barnet, Bury and possibly Notts County are too far out of reach to catch up on. However, with so many teams tightly packed, a win for Oxford should see them safe unless some of the most bizarre results go against them.

Bury and Notts County play each other yet both could still mathematically go down should Oxford win.

So to sum up, if Oxford can defeat Leyton Orient on Saturday, it should be enough to guarantee safety - but the question is, will they get that win?

TheDaddy 02-05-2006 17:04

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Not to hot on the lower leagues, have Leyton Orient been promoted already, also what happened to Jamie Brooks (I think that was his name) great things were predicted for him until he got ill.

Nugget 02-05-2006 17:08

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Not to hot on the lower leagues, have Leyton Orient been promoted already, also what happened to Jamie Brooks (I think that was his name) great things were predicted for him until he got ill.

Orient are currently in 3rd place in League 2, but they're only 1 point ahead of Grimsby (who managed to stuff themselves by drawing with Macclesfield over the weekend).

All Orient have to do is match Grimsbys results although, having said that, I'd much rather town got promoted :)

sir_drinks_alot 02-05-2006 17:11

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Not to hot on the lower leagues, have Leyton Orient been promoted already, .

Nop thay need a win at are Place to go up we need a win to stay up so there's Alot at stake for both sides. :shocked:


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