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:rofl:

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Read my last post again and then ask me again :D

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Welcome back A22, where have you been?

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Football fans unite for Clubs in Crisis


THOUSANDS of football fans are putting aside tribal differences in a day of unity for clubs on the brink of financial ruin.

On Saturday 29 January fans from all over the country will descend on Wrexham's Racecourse Ground - for their match against Doncaster Rovers - in a mass display of solidarity to tell the Football Association and Football League: "Act now or clubs across the land will go out of existence".

Two months ago more than 10,000 fans gathered at the same ground in a Fans United day to draw attention to Wrexham FC's own plight. The 132 year old club is in financial administration, has been docked 10 points by the Football League and faces eviction from its ground in just 183 days, on 21 July 2005.

Unless a buyer for the club is found Wrexham faces liquidation and will be the first football league club to go out of existence since Aldershot FC in 1992.

Many fans believe the club's plight is due to its owner Alex Hamilton, who wants to sell the ground for over £6 million to property developers and has served the club an eviction notice.

But Wrexham is not alone.

Clubs the length and breadth of the UK are in a similar plight: Brighton and Hove Albion, Burnley, Bury, Cambridge United, Dover Athletic, Hendon FC, East Stirlingshire, Gateshead, Grimsby Town, Rotherham and even former Premiership giants Leeds United are all currently facing uncertain futures.

Many more clubs have come close to collapse in the past year - Bradford City, York City and Notts County are high profile examples - while Telford United and Hornchurch FC actually folded.

Fans from all these clubs are now being invited to gather at the Racecourse Ground and stand in their team colours alongside Wrexham and Doncaster fans in what promises to be a festival of a day.

Supporters from other clubs are also urged to attend to show their solidarity in the biggest display of fan unity ever seen. Those that cannot get to the game are asked to send a scarf, banner or team shirt to show support.

A Fans United spokesman and Brighton supporter Nic Outterside said: "It is 12 years since Aldershot FC went bust and in that time many other football clubs have gone to the brink. In many cases these crises have been due to mismanagement or sheer greed by club owners or chairmen.

"When we lost our own ground - sold by our chairman Bill Archer to build a retail park - we came within inches of going out of existence. Even now our club is homeless and survives on a season by season basis.

"The danger of Wrexham folding after 132 years of league football is real, and others are close behind in what could be a domino effect which would see many towns lose their football clubs forever.

"I urge every football fan to take part in the Clubs in Crisis day and tell the Football Association and Football League that the time has come to step in and save the heart of British football."

Simon Johnson of the Wrexham Supporters Trust added: "Football fans have had enough of being ignored. These are our teams and our stadiums and we won't let the incompetence or greed of a few wealthy individuals take them away from us.

"Let us all stand together and show the powers-that-be that we are desperate to safeguard our clubs for future generations and we need their help."

The game against Doncaster Rovers is particularly poignant as the South Yorkshire club were themselves on the brink of extinction in 1998 with spiralling debts, relegation to the Vauxhall Conference and their owner Ken Richardson jailed for conspiring to set fire the club's grandstand.

Bob Gilbert, an organiser and veteran of Doncaster Rovers own fight for survival, said: "Like at so many other clubs, nothing more than personal gain lay behind the ruin of Donny Rovers.

"In seeking that gain one man trampled on the dreams of thousands. And neither he, nor the FA nor the Football League ever cared.

"So I urge you, passionately, to turn up at the Racecourse on 29 January to show all these people that millions and millions of us do care."

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It gets worse

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...xt/default.stm

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has anyone noticed that whenever Arsenal are on Sky now they always refer to them as the champions about 90 times during the program.. I can't ever remember them going on about United as champions as much..

also during the match Toure was seen elbowing Shearer ( not me the one who spells his name wring :D ) in the back.. the ref missed it but it was violent conduct and looked far worse that the Rooney one against Bolton.. will be interesting to see if the FA give him a 3 game ban

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Probably not - Rooney struck a guy in the face which IMO makes it worse.

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Rooney's though had no force behind it at all which is why the other player was also charged.. the Toure one was done with intent and alot more force than Rooney's still i can't see the FA being consistant.. look at the amount of fouls Viera had to do before he got a booking... Bowyer slides in and wins the ball and gets booked straight away

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But in fairness, that's mostly because Bowyer's a dirty bugger!

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well it seems now that we have pro ref's getting about 40 grand a week plus 400 for each match they are getting worse..

we have the rooney pen from the arse game, that goal from the spurs one and then the pen last night for Bolton..

of course last nights won't have all the over the top rection about being the worst decision of all time and people won't be saying Bolton should be docked points like Man U were..

personally i think what Diouf did is just as bad as taking drugs to enhance his performance.. after all the results are the same as the team performance is improved.. it's surely worse than Rio when he missed but passed a drug test 24 hours later and i think these divers should start to get 2 year bans.. even if that means we loose Ruud and Ronaldo from our team.. i'd rather have 11 players that stay on their feet..

you only have to watch Soccer Am on sat mornings to see that bit they do with the diving and all the music from Platoon..

i wrote to the FA, UEFA and FIFA once as i don't think any one of these organisations has any understanding of the problem.. if you are walking or running in a straight line then when you fall over you just fall flat on your face not roll over 15 times.. half the time the players aren't touched or injure.. i offered to go to a pitch with these organisations and re-enact these situations in front of them and the refs and then maybe they would see that everyone is cheating but i don't think any of these organisations care as long as they get their money
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consistency from the FA.. whatever next

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/4205029.stm

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So, Liverpool through to the Carling Cup Final :erm:

My friend was listening to some football phone-in last week and a very irate Scouser was ranting and raving about the team that had been put out, he'd been a fan for 30 years and what a waste of time it was and a waste of the £30 he'd spent on a ticket, he then claimed that if Bill Shankley was still alive he'd be turning in his grave :rofl: :rofl: Scousers, you've just gotta love them :D :D :D

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Scousers... :rolleyes:

They still sing "we hate nottingham forest" and all cos of our euro glories...

I hate Liverpool as I hate Derby and Munich... :mad:

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Cheers mate, I don't think this was intentional but you've just ensured I kick off today in a really good mood :D

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So do you hate the scouse as well being a man u fan? :LOL:

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The 'hate' has recently become 'pity'....

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I'd swap their position for ours though.

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I do hope Mansh*ter Sh*ted will win tonight,be loverly if we can bash their faces in the final as we did last time :D 2-0 I think it was with beckham deflecting Gerrard 30 yard stunner off his thigh!!

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Well duh!!! Nottingham Forest!!

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:D

Forest would probably swap their position with Gillingham ;)

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Hmm. We can't, and don't want to, swap our heritage though. duh...

Liverpool aren't doing too badly anyway. One cup final, 5th in the league...
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****. Pikey army will still be going down. I'm watching Plymouth.

If Megson can get ONE of our 4 strikers scoring we're safe.

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*watches the tumbleweed roll by*

*plays Bjork's "Oh it so quiet" single :D

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I was just about to post actually as just got home. Well done Chelsea, they got what they deserved and good luck to them in the final :tu:

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Did you go to the match Debs ?

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hehe love it when the Ms get done over by other teams :LOL: :D

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Nope, was working till 8 but got stuck till 8.30, then my car wouldn't start so eventually got to my friends about 9.15. Saw about the last 1/2 hour and wasn't impressed with Utd's performance. Don't mind losing to Chelski really, it's the Gooners that get my back up :fit:

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The Ms didn't play too badly, Chelsea's defence always gets me as excited as any side other than the Reds can do though.

Chelsea are such a clinical side. Mourinho = legend

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I never expected United to win but it was close - we had a clear penalty disallowed and Silvestre almost levelled things at the end.

Give it 2 years and I guarantee Mourinho will be the most hated manager in the league, far more than SAF ever was.

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That wasn't a penalty, the ball went well before Fortune, with his back to goal, took a tumble albeit under a tad of pressure.

Anyway it's about time you lot got some half decent appeals dismissed rather than getting dodgy pens. I'm a firm believer that reffing decisions even out. You've had that Mendes "goal", this evens it.

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I actually like Mourinho, I think hes good for the game.

Don't think the Fortune one was a penalty, think he went down a bit too easily. How Makelele didn't get sent off for that kick at Ronaldo I'll never know.

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Still, at least we're not Nottm Forrest eh? :D

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The main difference between the two sides was in goal. Chelsea's custodian made several excellent saves, whilst Howard was doing an impersonation of David Seaman v Ronhaldino (sp) in the World Cup, except that Seaman actually did try to reach the ball.:)

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I think Forest are doing really well this season. ;) They have made some good signings. I may even tip them for premotion. :D

But having said that the mighty Blue Army arent doing great :(

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Yep, I'd hazard a guess Howard will be gone by the end of the season. The transfer window has what, another week or so? SAF needs a decent keeper and neither Howard or Roy "it's didn't cross the line!" Caroll are up to the mark IMO.
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True, the premiership will always need yo-yo teams :D

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Reid, Dawson, Gerrard, Morgan, Johnson, Commons, Harris... why are we 23rd Joe Kinnear?

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Joe Kinnear :td: [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]He screwed you right up [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

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Actually, while I agree that Howard isn't exactly world class, I thought he had a decent game, and managed to pull a few good saves off. I don't think that he was particularly at fault for Chelseas first goal, because the defence pretty much switched off. As for the second, it has to be said that he just didn't make any decision (let alone the right one).

I thought it was a pretty good game all round (as a neutral) - at least it looked like both teams were actually trying to win it!

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Which was my point. Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof it to Taylor :rolleyes:

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Wrong, Alex Ferguson is a legend. Mourinho is nowhere near that status.

Hasn't even been here one full season yet and already calling him a legend....please! :rolleyes:

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:clap:

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let's not forget that if Scholes' goal had been allowed last season we would have won and he wouldn't be at Chelsea

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You can't help but like the smarmy little git though, and I don't mean Scholes.:)

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Don't even TEMPT me into disclosing what I think of Alex Ferguson.

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it's a loose loose situation.. if you win all the time no one likes you.. if you loose no one likes you..

i'm sure after Morinho has been at Chelsea 16 years, if he lasts that long, and wins as many trophies then no one will like him either

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It's not the success, I can stand that, it's his attitude problem.

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He won't. Abramovich will have left and withdrawn his millions long before then all the stars will have moved on.

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The extraordinary career of Sir Alex Ferguson - the most successful British manager of all time - is celebrated at the 2005 HMV Football Extravaganza, to be held at Londonââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s Grosvenor House Hotel on Tuesday 29 March.

Sir Alex, who earlier this season celebrated his 1000th game in charge of United, will be the recipient of the HMV Lifetime Achievement Award, sponsored by Nationwide.

He joins a very select list of British football legends to have received the award †“ John Charles (1997); Sir Stanley Matthews (1998); Nat Lofthouse (1999); Brian Clough (2000); Sir Bobby Robson (2001); Sir Bobby Charlton (2002); Tony Adams (2003) and Kenny Dalglish (2004).

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So what, IMO he's still a **** of the highest order!

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Awww, blind jealousy is such a nasty habit :D

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I suppose it takes a few years to get over things like this :D

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Ooooh, now that's got to leave a mark :D

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Nothing to do with that game. I just laugh at Beasant and Ron Atkinson every time I think about it.

We didn't play too badly, just individual defensive errors.

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Yeah, all 8 of them...

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the list looked so good until you came to Tony Adams.. surely Bryan Robson or Shilton or Banks are better players than him

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I don't think its for how good a player you are, its for what you've achieved. Adams overcame alcohol addiction and also did a lot of work to help other sports people who were battling with their own addictions.

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Mainly Beasant and Harkes. They had a mare.

We weren't doing too badly until Solksjaer came on.

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"You are my Solskjaer, my Ole Solskjaer, you make me happy when the skies are gray, cuz when its boring you just keeping scoring, so please don't take my Solskjaer away"

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I was talking about the goals...

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Well, they were probably tired then - that sort of thing really takes it out of you :disturbd:

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that's not the one I sing me when i'm at OT :D :D

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Does the one you sing refer to the price of a certain player who wears black and white? ;)

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Alan Shearer...who was, erm, considerably more expensive?? :D

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Maybe so in your opinion but you can't deny the success he has had which I think is more important than personal feelings!

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Yeah I was. We had our fair share IIRC and Darcheville played well, set up Rogers' equaliser, the 8-1 flattered you.
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He bought it though, and his attitude reeks, you have to be honest.

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No he didn't buy it. Yes he has spent a lot of money in the past 4/5 years but he had success before he had money to spend at both United and Aberdeen. He hardly had any money to spend when he was in Scotland and yet he won a lot...

With Aberdeen
Scottish Premier League Champions 1980, 1984, 1985
Scottish Cup Winners 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986
Scottish League Cup winners 1986
European Cup Winners' Cup 1983

With St Mirren
Scottish First Division Championship 1977

And no I don't think his attitude reeks, why do you think it does?

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It's a damn sight easier managing Aberdeen and St Mirren than ManUre though. Fact is, it took him 4 years to even win the FA Cup, a further three to win the league, if he was half decent he would have won it quicker.

And for all his money, he only has one European Cup. And they shouldn't really have been in it that year either.

His keepers, with one notable exception, have ALL been shocking.
contempt for referees, contempt for the FA, lack of respect for his players, his demeanour, his attitude in interviews, I could go on...

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You could EASILY be talking about Wenger, Mourinho etc...

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Why, all the chelsea and especially arsenal players have a mutual respect for the manager at least.

And I would imagine the FA as well...

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So do United for SAF, what's your point?

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If its a damn sight easier managing Aberdeen how come no other manager in in the last 20 years has managed to break the Celtic / Rangers dominance?

Plus he got a European trophy at Aberdeen beating Real Madrid in the final so its not like his success there was all domestic.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thats the funniest thing I've heard in ages. :D

Where were Utd when Fergie took over? Bottom of the First Division after losing 6 of their first 13 matches and only winning 3. He took them to 11th place that season. The next season, his first full season at Old Trafford he took them to a runners up spot.

He practically had to rebuild the whole squad after Atkinson - look at the team for fergies first game in charge at OT -
Turner, Duxbury, Albiston, McGrath (Olsen), Moran, Hogg, Blackmore, Stapleton, Moses, Davenport, Barnes

hey 1000 posts :D

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And what a good post to mark the occasion :)

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Nffc is just digging a bigger hole for himself....he can't see past his personal feelings about SAF! :cool: :D

I personally think Wengers attitute is worse than Fergies and Mourinho will be up there soon!

Oh, about your comment he bought the success, yeah just like Arsenal have and Chelsea will have if they win the league.....swings both ways mate!

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If anything Mourinho is worst - SAF's UK track record speaks for itself, Wenger is vastly inferior yet has still been moderately successful - Mourinho has not won anything, has not built a team and only really got his break in football from being Bobby Robson's translator.

Once he's actually achieved something in the domestic game THEN he can think about justifying his arrogance.

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*rubs his hands together*

roll on 5.20 tomorrow :p:

all the united ppl wanting to do well................ :erm:

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Didn't we beat you guys already??

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We will see!
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He is going to have to achieve a hell of alot to justify his arrogance which won't happen. I can't see him staying here for a few years.

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:scratch: the last time we played you in the cup didn't we beat you? :scratch:

1-2 to the 'boro' :PP:

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Never mind. You're now banned.

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yes that's the won.. referring to someone who can't spell his name right :D

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Fifth round here we come... chelsea, manu or arsenal at city ground please :)

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But i thought you liked your team.... :D

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Come on you Reds, nice goal by Mr O'Shea ;)

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Wooo, nice play by Ronaldo :D

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:knock: :knock: will someone teach Ronaldo and Giggs how to pass the ball when attacking cos they are doing my head in :fit:

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I think someone needs to show Rio how to pass the ball..

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Thats who it is, for a moment I thought it was Sideshow Bob. :)

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United's finishing has been abysmal tonight so far :spin:
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Edit: Oooooh, that's gotta leave a mark ;) :D

Rooooney!!

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ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONEY :nworthy: :nworthy:

The other half is not gonna be a happy bunny :erm: :D :D :D

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Goal of the season or what :D

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:PP: :waving: ;) :D

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In your dreams!!! :D :D :D :rofl: :rofl: :devsmoke: :LOL: :PP:

:waving: 'boro!

Rooney is the man, awesome second goal!!! :)

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Shouldn't that be 'in your face'?? :D

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hopefully now that is over the boro will get to concentrate on europe :erm: :D :D :D

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Thats too short!! :D

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As if I needed any more evidence that footballers are in the main, thick.

Quote from Bellamy on his manager, "Souness went behind my back, right in front of my face" :rolleyes: :D

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Well played United you desevered to win :Yikes: apart from some dodgy tackles and no yellow cards :rolleyes: and some shocking positioning by the keeper..........

as paul said we will look after the league position and win the UEFA cup.....it will be more than the mancs do....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: don't you just love all the united fans that don't live or have never been to Manchester :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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says the welsh man utd supporter :D :angel: :angel: :angel:

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Yes, just like all the Arse and Chelski fans who've suddenly popped up over the last year or two...

Yes! The Welsh Man Utd supporter who lived in Manchester for 4 years!!

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Snowball in hell, comes to mind,:p:

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:rolleyes: Your point is? ;) :D

What is the big deal over that? :confused: We do have the freedom of choice in this country, so they are free to choose to support Utd. :)

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You've almost got it right.

We are free to support whoever we want unless it's Man United in which case you must live within 15 miles of Stretford otherwise you are legally obliged at all times to use the title of 'Glory Hunter'....